Bush rolls over for the Illegals!

[Shaun]

I am very disappointed in his pandering to these criminals -- get in touch with your rep's we can defeat this

Originally posted by Shaun
I am very disappointed in his pandering to these criminals -- get in touch with your rep's we can defeat this

Criminals ?

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection;
misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States
at any time or place other than as designated by immigration
officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration
officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United
States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the
willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or
imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or
imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to
enter) the United States at a time or place other than as
designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil
penalty of -
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or
attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of
an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under
this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not
in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be
imposed.
(c) Marriage fraud
Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the
purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be
imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than
$250,000, or both.
(d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud
Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise
for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws
shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance
with title 18, or both.

[Shaun]

Illegal aliens are criminals they have broken our immigration laws.

our own civilians break laws everyday...even cops...besides the first count is a misdemeaner..second count probably would be too

I can show you cops who break the law everyday..today in the Pensacola paper a swat team member was in trouble for kidnapping his girlfriend (a cop too) and repeatedly bashing her face into the dashboard...hardly a misdemeaner..

[Shaun]

how about the fact they could be held as guilty of tax evasion for not paying any taxes, no drivers licenses, falsifing documents, no insurance and I am sure if I pulled out a few penal codes I could come up with plenty more.

hen I was in PRK as a cop I took more fake ID's and SSN cards off illegals it was nuts -- having falsified government documents is a felony in some states and of course now the big issue is identity theft. then of course there are the homes and farms they trash inside of our borders as they cross

[Shaun]

our civilians came here legally

Originally posted by Shaun
our civilians came here legally

If Chinese people came over en masse and wiped us out...they could make that same claim 100 years from now..

[Shaun]

good luck if they try that's all I can say

[NRAJOE]

The Mexicans are doing jobs that spoiled Americans won't even touch. No health insurance or benefits. They are all low payed, low skilled jobs.

[Rooster]

Whose going to do the dirty work that these illegals do when there gone? I doubt any of us here would do it. The costs for everything these people do would go way up, as bussiness would have to pay more for everything - wages, taxes etc.
Don't get me wrong I'm all for tightning up the borders and kicking out illegals but who is going to fill the void? Where will the tax money come from that business are paying and the tax coming out of the workers checks come from? I just want to be a realist in this. Yes they are illeagals. Most of our ancestors came here by choice or force to make a better way. It wasn't illegal back then because the Indians didn't have immagration on the books.
I think Bush is just trying to find a medium here albiet not a happy one. The illegals don't like it because they would have to registar then leave after three years. They just want to stay and keep working and send money home. Conservative don't like giving in to the illegal problem but don't want to fork over the money to make the border secure either.
I just see two sides to this coin.

[whirlwind]

id be more willing to accept illegals in the u.s. if more of them were say really hot females age 25 to 40

[Rufus Rhastus J]

I got no problem with immagration. I do have a problem with rewarding criminals for thier criminal behavior. Not only should they, the illegals, be deported but, they should be shot for thier crime. Once again, reward those who break the rules and screw those who try to obey the law and follow procedure. Bush, and I voted for him, makes me want to puke! God, if I only knew then what I know now. I think I would have done the unthinkable......vote for ALGORE! Our rights disappear a little more each day and out sourceing is the new buzz word. Now, for God's sake, he want to welcome criminals. Where does it end? Next election, I hope. He's no republican, I'm a republican and we don't do crap like this!:nod:

[Shaun]

Ruf in some ways we are better off with Bush - Gore would have gotten on his knees crying and apologizing to Osama. We would have been completely disarmed by the U.N. and be addressing one another as Comrade like people in PRK do already

[Rufus Rhastus J]

Originally posted by Shaun
Ruf in some ways we are better off with Bush - Gore would have gotten on his knees crying and apologizing to Osama. We would have been completely disarmed by the U.N. and be addressing one another as Comrade like people in PRK do already

I just get so darn frustrated with these politicos. They beg for the vote, promise the moon and then, it seems, after everyone wants them......they screw us, and screw us and then, they screw us again and.....turn us over to their posse.....and then they screw us until we are raw! Does'nt Bush see we are bleeding! Darn, can't make a liveing now, just what I need, to compeate with some friggin' beaner for my next burrito? This crap has got to stop! I know I'm not alone in my anger over this. Make all the excuses you can, this is just not right.

[Shaun]

Oh I agree this is wrong but Bush in some ways is the better of two evils (Politicians)

[Rufus Rhastus J]

Originally posted by Shaun
Oh I agree this is wrong but Bush in some ways is the better of two evils (Politicians)

Life under the dems would'nt be worth liveing, you are right. Guess I'll just have to stomach it,.....somehow. It's not like I have a choice about what they do. There's not a dime's worth of differance between the two parties anyway. It's always been the lesser of the two evils...It's just getting too hard to decide which is the lesser of the two....:nod:

Originally posted by Rufus Rhastus J
Life under the dems would'nt be worth liveing, you are right. Guess I'll just have to stomach it,.....somehow. It's not like I have a choice about what they do. There's not a dime's worth of differance between the two parties anyway. It's always been the lesser of the two evils...It's just getting too hard to decide which is the lesser of the two....:nod:

Hopefully this kind of sentiment will spur 3rd and 4th parties. We can only hope...

Originally posted by Logansdad
our own civilians break laws everyday...even cops...besides the first count is a misdemeaner..second count probably would be too

I can show you cops who break the law everyday..today in the Pensacola paper a swat team member was in trouble for kidnapping his girlfriend (a cop too) and repeatedly bashing her face into the dashboard...hardly a misdemeaner..

so....because we have crooked cops in this country it is o.k. to reward criminals with citizenship?

two wrongs don't make a right

besides there are no more bad cops than there are bad dentists, priests, teachers, mecahnics, etc...