What new stuff are you looking for?

BattleRifleG3 · 01-15-2004, 01:14 AM

I was wondering generally what people would look for in a new pistol caliber carbine. Some people love the ruggedness of Rugers, the precision of HK, the simplicity of the MACs, the familiar configuration of AR-15s, and other kinds I'm not real familiar with.

But I just have this feeling they haven't caught on like they could. So what features would you guys think are the most important in a pistol caliber carbine?

BattleRifleG3 · 01-15-2004, 01:23 AM

I kind of had a concept for one that would be set up like an AR-15 and use AR furniture and maybe even carry handle, but would be made much more simply, be sized for pistol calibers, and feed from subgun mags.

BattleRifleG3 · 01-15-2004, 01:55 AM

Here's a paint version.

It's like an AR in everything except that it charges like a FAL.

Shaun · 01-15-2004, 02:41 AM

BRG -- one of the issues for me is the cartridge being used many times the companies put out a PCC and forget that the ammo is loaded for a short pass down the barrel. In the carbing they need to look towards minimum length barrels and compact size. This is one of the reasons I am seriously looking at one of the new feather usa carbines for hiking and backpacking

BattleRifleG3 · 01-15-2004, 02:51 AM

What problems does this cause when the barrel is too long? I've heard of the 10/22 actually losing velocity in a barrel longer than 18".

Perhaps having say a 12" barrel with a 4" muzzle device would do the trick? Or increasing the mass of the bolt so that it has a slower initial velocity when cycling?

BattleRifleG3 · 01-15-2004, 02:53 AM

This one is like a cross between an AK (using an AK FCG), a G3 (recoil and charging system), and an M1 Carbine (mag well). It charges like an HK, handles like an AK, and feeds like an M1 Carbine.

lefty o · 01-15-2004, 02:57 AM

you know i actually consider most of your ideas, well lets say goofy, but you got me thinking. how about a thompson smg chambered in 454 casull. can you say more power!!!!!

BattleRifleG3 · 01-15-2004, 03:25 AM

Only prob is that it couldn't operate by recoil - it would have to be gas operated. Maybe some sort of short recoil system like the M82A1, but I think gas would be easier. Probably the gun for that would be an AK or an AR. I'm not sure, but it might even be too heavy for those.

Shaun · 01-15-2004, 08:28 AM

its G -- the cartridges are loaded with a fast burning powder that normally stops burning after the first 4-6 inches. compared to rifle rounds which use a slow buring powder that continue to burn and build pressure in the barrel for a longer distance.

BattleRifleG3 · 01-16-2004, 12:46 AM

Here's the version based on the AR configuration and FCG

Here's the version using an AK FCG, a G3 type cocking system, and an M1 Carbine type feeding system.

View Poll Results: What features would you want in a carbine? Check all that apply
Subgun magazines	4	57.14%
Pistol magazines	2	28.57%
Classic stock shape	1	14.29%
Pistol grip stock	4	57.14%
Light Weight	3	42.86%
Ruggedness	7	100.00%
Comfortable bullpup configuration	0	0%
Most common, cheap ammo	3	42.86%
Ammo not yet or commonly chambered in a semi-auto carbine (357 Rem Mag, 44 Rem Mag, 357 Sig, etc)	2	28.57%
Low price, ie sub $350 vs $400-500	4	57.14%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 7. You may not vote on this poll

01-15-2004, 01:14 AM	#1
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,604 Images: 13	What new stuff are you looking for? I was wondering generally what people would look for in a new pistol caliber carbine. Some people love the ruggedness of Rugers, the precision of HK, the simplicity of the MACs, the familiar configuration of AR-15s, and other kinds I'm not real familiar with. But I just have this feeling they haven't caught on like they could. So what features would you guys think are the most important in a pistol caliber carbine? __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

01-15-2004, 01:23 AM	#2
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,604 Images: 13	I kind of had a concept for one that would be set up like an AR-15 and use AR furniture and maybe even carry handle, but would be made much more simply, be sized for pistol calibers, and feed from subgun mags. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

01-15-2004, 02:41 AM	#4
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,746 Images: 1	BRG -- one of the issues for me is the cartridge being used many times the companies put out a PCC and forget that the ammo is loaded for a short pass down the barrel. In the carbing they need to look towards minimum length barrels and compact size. This is one of the reasons I am seriously looking at one of the new feather usa carbines for hiking and backpacking __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

01-15-2004, 02:51 AM	#5
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,604 Images: 13	What problems does this cause when the barrel is too long? I've heard of the 10/22 actually losing velocity in a barrel longer than 18". Perhaps having say a 12" barrel with a 4" muzzle device would do the trick? Or increasing the mass of the bolt so that it has a slower initial velocity when cycling? __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf Last edited by BattleRifleG3; 01-15-2004 at 02:55 AM.

01-15-2004, 02:57 AM	#7
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 5,344	you know i actually consider most of your ideas, well lets say goofy, but you got me thinking. how about a thompson smg chambered in 454 casull. can you say more power!!!!!

01-15-2004, 03:25 AM	#8
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,604 Images: 13	Only prob is that it couldn't operate by recoil - it would have to be gas operated. Maybe some sort of short recoil system like the M82A1, but I think gas would be easier. Probably the gun for that would be an AK or an AR. I'm not sure, but it might even be too heavy for those. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

01-15-2004, 08:28 AM	#9
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,746 Images: 1	its G -- the cartridges are loaded with a fast burning powder that normally stops burning after the first 4-6 inches. compared to rifle rounds which use a slow buring powder that continue to burn and build pressure in the barrel for a longer distance. __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

01-16-2004, 12:46 AM	#10
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,604 Images: 13	Here's the version based on the AR configuration and FCG Here's the version using an AK FCG, a G3 type cocking system, and an M1 Carbine type feeding system. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf