WWII guns

BattleRifleG3 · 07-20-2004, 11:22 PM

Between GunGeek and I, we assembled our specimens of some variant of guns used in WWII. Yeah the Yugo SKS with scope is a little anachronistic, but the guts of the technology is the same. I'm sure the WWII Russians would approve. And the Garand stock is high gloss, but it came that way.

I just thought it was cool to take a look and see what among our collections was the kind used back in WWII.

7mmag6 · 08-19-2004, 01:04 PM

the sks was not used in ww2

NRAJOE · 08-19-2004, 01:16 PM

1943 - After reviewing several designs, the new rimless 7.62x39 medium power cartridge is adopted and named the "M43". The Soviet weapon designer Sergi Gavrilovich Simonov converts one of his previously developed carbine designs, the SKS41 (which shot a 7.62x25mm pistol cartridge commonly used in Russian submachine guns), to utilize this new intermediate range cartridge.

Spring 1944 - Prototype models of the new SKS were shipped to the Byelorussian front for use against the Germans.

1945 - After rave reviews of the new Simonov design by soldiers, Simonov's newest carbine is approved and dubbed the "SKS45".

1947 - Kalashnikov's newest design is approved and designated the "AK47".

1949 - SKS Model 1945 is adopted by the Soviet Union. Full scale Soviet production begins.

7mmag6 · 08-19-2004, 01:32 PM

Amazing wasnt it based on an anti tank gun design?

NRAJOE · 08-19-2004, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7mmag6

Amazing wasnt it based on an anti tank gun design?

Give that man a ceegar!

Design History:
The SKS was adopted by the Soviet Union in 1946, and is the basis for the later AK series of weapons. It is a gas-operated, semi-automatic rifle and might be referred to as a miniature version of the 14.5mm PTRS semi-automatic antitank rifle used during World War 2. Both the SKS and the PTRS were designed by the famed Russian arms inventor Sergei Simonov. Because of its light recoil and moderate weight, 35 rounds per minute of aimed fire can be achieved.

NRAJOE · 08-19-2004, 01:38 PM

Specifications:
Weapon nomenclature - Samozariadnyia Karabina Simonova (SKS)
System of operation - Gas, Semi-automatic fire only
Bolt type - one-piece, tipping, rear-cocking
Weight (loaded) - 8.8 lbs.
Length, barrel - 20.34 inches
Length, overall - 40.16 inches
Feed device - 10-round, fixed, staggered double-row box magazine
Sights, front - Hooded post
Sights, rear - Tangent leaf, graduated from 100 to 1000 meters
Cartridge - 7.62 x 39 Soviet M43 (Type PS ball)
Muzzle velocity - 2411 fps
Bullet weight - 122 gr.
Working pressure - 45,000 psi
Bore diameter - .301 inches
Groove diameter - .311 inches
Direction & rate of rifling twist - Right, 1 turn in 9.45 inches

BattleRifleG3 · 08-19-2004, 06:20 PM

I believe SKS rifles saw action in Stalingrad. The SKS was designed in and for the age of semi-auto battle rifles, including the M1 Garand, FN-49, Ljungmann/Hakim/Rashid, and G41. I think it is best appreciated when compared to them.

Big Dog · 08-20-2004, 06:00 AM

I have just a few actual WWII rifles.
1) Mosin-Nagant M91/30 - dated 1942.
2) Enfield No1 MkIII - dated 1917 but with a '42-dated barrel.
3) Finnish Mosin-Nagant M39 dated 1943 (1895-dated receiver).

Additional guns of WWII type or style:
1) Swiss K31 dated 1946
2) Indian Enfield No1 MkIII dated 1952 (ex-wire wrapped)
3) Mosin M44 carbine dated 1946
4) Commercial M1 Carbine (IAI)
5) Spanish Airforce M43 Mauser-1954

And my 1939-dated Nagant revolver!

07-20-2004, 11:22 PM	#1
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	WWII guns Between GunGeek and I, we assembled our specimens of some variant of guns used in WWII. Yeah the Yugo SKS with scope is a little anachronistic, but the guts of the technology is the same. I'm sure the WWII Russians would approve. And the Garand stock is high gloss, but it came that way. I just thought it was cool to take a look and see what among our collections was the kind used back in WWII. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

08-19-2004, 01:04 PM	#2
7mmag6 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 337 Images: 1	the sks was not used in ww2 __________________ This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine

08-19-2004, 01:16 PM	#3
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,052 Images: 3	1943 - After reviewing several designs, the new rimless 7.62x39 medium power cartridge is adopted and named the "M43". The Soviet weapon designer Sergi Gavrilovich Simonov converts one of his previously developed carbine designs, the SKS41 (which shot a 7.62x25mm pistol cartridge commonly used in Russian submachine guns), to utilize this new intermediate range cartridge. Spring 1944 - Prototype models of the new SKS were shipped to the Byelorussian front for use against the Germans. 1945 - After rave reviews of the new Simonov design by soldiers, Simonov's newest carbine is approved and dubbed the "SKS45". 1947 - Kalashnikov's newest design is approved and designated the "AK47". 1949 - SKS Model 1945 is adopted by the Soviet Union. Full scale Soviet production begins. __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

08-19-2004, 01:32 PM	#4
7mmag6 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 337 Images: 1	Amazing wasnt it based on an anti tank gun design? __________________ This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine

08-19-2004, 01:38 PM	#6
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,052 Images: 3	Specifications: Weapon nomenclature - Samozariadnyia Karabina Simonova (SKS) System of operation - Gas, Semi-automatic fire only Bolt type - one-piece, tipping, rear-cocking Weight (loaded) - 8.8 lbs. Length, barrel - 20.34 inches Length, overall - 40.16 inches Feed device - 10-round, fixed, staggered double-row box magazine Sights, front - Hooded post Sights, rear - Tangent leaf, graduated from 100 to 1000 meters Cartridge - 7.62 x 39 Soviet M43 (Type PS ball) Muzzle velocity - 2411 fps Bullet weight - 122 gr. Working pressure - 45,000 psi Bore diameter - .301 inches Groove diameter - .311 inches Direction & rate of rifling twist - Right, 1 turn in 9.45 inches __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

08-19-2004, 06:20 PM	#7
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	I believe SKS rifles saw action in Stalingrad. The SKS was designed in and for the age of semi-auto battle rifles, including the M1 Garand, FN-49, Ljungmann/Hakim/Rashid, and G41. I think it is best appreciated when compared to them. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

08-20-2004, 06:00 AM	#8
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,221	I have just a few actual WWII rifles. 1) Mosin-Nagant M91/30 - dated 1942. 2) Enfield No1 MkIII - dated 1917 but with a '42-dated barrel. 3) Finnish Mosin-Nagant M39 dated 1943 (1895-dated receiver). Additional guns of WWII type or style: 1) Swiss K31 dated 1946 2) Indian Enfield No1 MkIII dated 1952 (ex-wire wrapped) 3) Mosin M44 carbine dated 1946 4) Commercial M1 Carbine (IAI) 5) Spanish Airforce M43 Mauser-1954 And my 1939-dated Nagant revolver! __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.