M1A national match

7mmag6 · 10-07-2004, 12:04 AM

well, here is the national match with SS barrel I bought, came with a fairly nice Plano case, and couple of manuals. The stock is a bit underwhelming, a bit dull, cant wait to try it out, I checked it for lube and it looked ok, not sure what springfield uses but it seems adequate. It also came with a maunual about slam fires, and prevention. They claim using re-loads voids the warrenty, go figure.I geuss its only happy with military hard uncrimped primers. Also a coupon for 25-50% off all accessories, which you will need to do almost any maintenence, came with no tools at all. but I guess Im happy with what I got we shall see

lefty o · 10-07-2004, 12:34 AM

i highly recommend that you beak down that rifle and thoroughly clean it and relube before firing.

7mmag6 · 10-07-2004, 01:07 AM

Yeah lefty I will, Im not rushing off into anything untill Im satisfied that its aok, Im not going to disturb the glass however, but Ill lube and clean the action, Its amazingly clean on first inspection, the stock has a few minor defects that Im not very happy about. and its a bit dull, have to talk to stock doc about that

Gyrene · 10-07-2004, 01:07 AM

7mmag6 - WHAT "Lefty o" SAID!!!

BUY ALL OF THE EXTRAS YOU CAN AFFORD! At least 2 more magazines, 2 slings, the cleaning tools for the gas cylinder, including the wrench to hold it when you loosen the gas cylinder plug, the rear handguard pliers, and anything else they offered. You won't find them as cheap, or with quality that good for a price close to what they are asking!

The lube you see from the outside is maybe not consistent throughout, and the Operating Rod Spring and Operating Rod Spring Guide, as well as the bottom of the barrel where the Operating Rod contacts it must be lubed, or you will find that you are not really happy with the fact that the M1A won't pick up the next round to load, or the magazine may fall out each time you fire, or the trigger group may fall out each time you fire. What they use is OK, but they usually don't lube everything that absolutely needs it!

As far as reloads, they have to VOID the Warranty if you shoot reloads, because they can reasonably expect that factory loads are within at least commercial/Government specs, but they have no idea what some "BUBBA" might load. Anyone could load pistol powder (DON'T LAUGH, IT'S BEEN DONE!!!), and blow their M1A up!

Is it .308 or a 7.62 x 51mm? You will probably find that it has a tight chamber, no matter which it is, and will have to use small base dies resizing to successfully reload.

Good Shooting!

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7mmag6 · 10-07-2004, 01:18 AM

The barrel is marked 308, and the manual says 7.62 NATO

Thrawn · 10-07-2004, 02:04 AM

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The barrel is marked 308, and the manual says 7.62 NATO

steel_warrior1 · 10-07-2004, 03:59 PM

I would love to have one of those puppies! Can't wait to hear your review.

Gyrene · 10-08-2004, 08:46 AM

7mmag6 - The barrel marking should be the correct cut of the chamber. New brass of either .308 or 7.62 x 51mm should both work just fine. For reloads, unless the brass was fired in your rifle, resize with small base dies, before using them. If you just try to reload and use them, you may be lucky and find they were fired in a tight chamber, or they will not feed right, and the shoulder may be not right, if they are 7.62 x 51mm. Check reloading manuals for the differences between .308 and 7.62 x 51mm.

PAPA G · 10-26-2004, 12:46 AM

well 7mmmag6...didja get to shoot it yet??? bring back memories of the old days!!!

Gyrene · 10-27-2004, 11:55 PM

Dag nab it, I get so frustrated, today I went through the same old things I have been talking about. Springfield just doesn't seem to understand that quality brought them the customers, and that it takes quality to maintain the sales.

The rear sight on this guys new M1A was giving him fits. First it was so loose, that the elevation knob wouldn't raise the aperture. We got that figured out, and then the adjustments were not right. One click up put him just under the X ring at 100 yards. Two clicks put him 10 inches above the X ring, and four clicks put him almost 3 feet above the target backer. I told him to get a USGI, or National Match rear sight, and put the one Springfield sold him, into a box, and keep it with the rifle. Oh, YES, the rifle needed lube to make it cycle, which means the guy had to let me change the "Zero" (which was a laugh), by taking it apart. YES, it was bone dry (but it's not bone dry now!).

Last weekend it was the same only there were 3 M1A's. The good thing though is that the M1A that I had to pass up buying, was bought by a friend, and he brought it out after his 10 day wait. It shoots like an M1A should shoot! A 1 inch group with 5 shots at 100 yards, using Australian 7.62 x 51mm. The guy put the small 1 inch spots from a "Shoot an' See" target center, on his target, and could put 10 shots on target that would cut the spot, with a 1 1/4 inch grouping. He refused to tell me if he had to take it apart and lube it like I have been talking about, and just smiled when I asked.

10-07-2004, 12:04 AM	#1
7mmag6 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 337 Images: 1	M1A national match well, here is the national match with SS barrel I bought, came with a fairly nice Plano case, and couple of manuals. The stock is a bit underwhelming, a bit dull, cant wait to try it out, I checked it for lube and it looked ok, not sure what springfield uses but it seems adequate. It also came with a maunual about slam fires, and prevention. They claim using re-loads voids the warrenty, go figure.I geuss its only happy with military hard uncrimped primers. Also a coupon for 25-50% off all accessories, which you will need to do almost any maintenence, came with no tools at all. but I guess Im happy with what I got we shall see __________________ This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine

10-07-2004, 01:07 AM	#3
7mmag6 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 337 Images: 1	Yeah lefty I will, Im not rushing off into anything untill Im satisfied that its aok, Im not going to disturb the glass however, but Ill lube and clean the action, Its amazingly clean on first inspection, the stock has a few minor defects that Im not very happy about. and its a bit dull, have to talk to stock doc about that __________________ This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine

10-07-2004, 01:18 AM	#5
7mmag6 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 337 Images: 1	The barrel is marked 308, and the manual says 7.62 NATO __________________ This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine

10-07-2004, 03:59 PM	#7
steel_warrior1 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Oberlin, Kansas (Middle of nowhere.) Posts: 435	I would love to have one of those puppies! Can't wait to hear your review. __________________ Come Check Out My Pacific Tool Company Website! [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] http://pacificreloaders.awardspace.com/

10-07-2004, 12:34 AM	#2
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,807	i highly recommend that you beak down that rifle and thoroughly clean it and relube before firing.

10-07-2004, 01:07 AM	#4
Gyrene Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 886	7mmag6 - WHAT "Lefty o" SAID!!! BUY ALL OF THE EXTRAS YOU CAN AFFORD! At least 2 more magazines, 2 slings, the cleaning tools for the gas cylinder, including the wrench to hold it when you loosen the gas cylinder plug, the rear handguard pliers, and anything else they offered. You won't find them as cheap, or with quality that good for a price close to what they are asking! The lube you see from the outside is maybe not consistent throughout, and the Operating Rod Spring and Operating Rod Spring Guide, as well as the bottom of the barrel where the Operating Rod contacts it must be lubed, or you will find that you are not really happy with the fact that the M1A won't pick up the next round to load, or the magazine may fall out each time you fire, or the trigger group may fall out each time you fire. What they use is OK, but they usually don't lube everything that absolutely needs it! As far as reloads, they have to VOID the Warranty if you shoot reloads, because they can reasonably expect that factory loads are within at least commercial/Government specs, but they have no idea what some "BUBBA" might load. Anyone could load pistol powder (DON'T LAUGH, IT'S BEEN DONE!!!), and blow their M1A up! Is it .308 or a 7.62 x 51mm? You will probably find that it has a tight chamber, no matter which it is, and will have to use small base dies resizing to successfully reload. Good Shooting! `

10-08-2004, 08:46 AM	#8
Gyrene Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 886	7mmag6 - The barrel marking should be the correct cut of the chamber. New brass of either .308 or 7.62 x 51mm should both work just fine. For reloads, unless the brass was fired in your rifle, resize with small base dies, before using them. If you just try to reload and use them, you may be lucky and find they were fired in a tight chamber, or they will not feed right, and the shoulder may be not right, if they are 7.62 x 51mm. Check reloading manuals for the differences between .308 and 7.62 x 51mm.

10-26-2004, 12:46 AM	#9
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12	well 7mmmag6...didja get to shoot it yet??? bring back memories of the old days!!!

10-27-2004, 11:55 PM	#10
Gyrene Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 886	Dag nab it, I get so frustrated, today I went through the same old things I have been talking about. Springfield just doesn't seem to understand that quality brought them the customers, and that it takes quality to maintain the sales. The rear sight on this guys new M1A was giving him fits. First it was so loose, that the elevation knob wouldn't raise the aperture. We got that figured out, and then the adjustments were not right. One click up put him just under the X ring at 100 yards. Two clicks put him 10 inches above the X ring, and four clicks put him almost 3 feet above the target backer. I told him to get a USGI, or National Match rear sight, and put the one Springfield sold him, into a box, and keep it with the rifle. Oh, YES, the rifle needed lube to make it cycle, which means the guy had to let me change the "Zero" (which was a laugh), by taking it apart. YES, it was bone dry (but it's not bone dry now!). Last weekend it was the same only there were 3 M1A's. The good thing though is that the M1A that I had to pass up buying, was bought by a friend, and he brought it out after his 10 day wait. It shoots like an M1A should shoot! A 1 inch group with 5 shots at 100 yards, using Australian 7.62 x 51mm. The guy put the small 1 inch spots from a "Shoot an' See" target center, on his target, and could put 10 shots on target that would cut the spot, with a 1 1/4 inch grouping. He refused to tell me if he had to take it apart and lube it like I have been talking about, and just smiled when I asked.