Ok Stupid girl (me) Bought the new gun . now what is it?

lucymills8 · 10-08-2004, 10:52 AM

Ok, You can definately call me the stupid girl... I fell in love with my jap 99 that I got, and got offed this amazing old gun at a price I couldent refuse. I even got to shoot it (AWESOME !!!).. but what I dont know is what is it.
The markings on the barrel are New England Westing House Company 1915 (r ?)
No. H 583761 It is bolt action. on side of barrel is ss 141452.. any one have any information for me... Be kind I am just beginning to collect..

Lucy

myarmor · 10-08-2004, 10:57 AM

Do you have a pic of it?

Big Dog · 10-08-2004, 12:45 PM

You aren't stupid - you are lucky! The Westinghouse Mosins are very sought-after. You are getting a very nice collection going. You go, Girl!! :guitar:
A bunch of us are green with envy.
The nice thing is, ammo for the Mosins is far easier to get, than for the Jap 99. If you can find a gunshow in your area, they'll have the 7.62X54R Russian ammo by the case, cheap! Otherwise, lot's of vendors sell it over the Net. Just Google on "7.62X54R ammo" - should get you lots of sources.
As before though, get the old rifle checked out before firing. It's getting close to a century old.

Where do you keep finding these great deals? Are ya single . . . ?

BattleRifleG3 · 10-08-2004, 01:45 PM

I have a 91/30 Mosin Nagant that is a great rifle. Indeed your Westinghouse sounds like an even greater one. Just to be sure that's what it is, do a search for Mosin Nagants and make sure that's what yours looks like.

No, Big Dog, she isn't single... that's what profiles are for finding out, remember? (Yes, I checked.)

But could ya mentor some of the young ladies up here to appreciate guns?

PAPA G · 10-08-2004, 01:53 PM

also check out:

www.gunboards.com

this is the priemer Mosin-Nagant site, check it out.

Shaun · 10-08-2004, 02:00 PM

Hey you got a great rifle -- those have some of the best barrels out there I have 2 with Westinghouse barrels on them -- Good deal

lucymills8 · 10-08-2004, 02:01 PM

Yes, yes, yes,,,, That is is

I forgot to tell you that I got five packages aprox. 92 rounds of ammo with it when I bought it...

( big big, grin!!!!)))
excuse me while I gloat a little

see things dont usually go my way very often ..
You have to see this one.. it is in SUCH great condition..
How do I check to see if it is all original ?
I will take a few pictures so you all can see them..
LOL about the single thing, You wouldent want me any way. I have two many children.
but, i do cook really well... LOL....
lucy

toolman · 10-17-2004, 12:11 AM

Hey Lucy, Welcome aboard! Since you are new to these, be warned, if the ammo that came with the gun is military surplus, it is most likely corrosive! That doesn't mean you can't shoot it, just give it a good scrubbing with Windex after shooting then clean and oil as usual.

Big Dog · 10-17-2004, 05:32 AM

Lucy, if the Westinghouse rifle is original, it's an earlier M91 - the most easily noticed feature would be the rear sight. It should be a very rounded design with large serations for the elevation adjustment. This sight was calibrated in a unit of measurement called the "Arshin", somewhat shorter than our meter (about 30 inches, IIRC). The front sight will be a simple blade.
All numbers on the barrel (over the chamber), the bolt handle, the magazine floorplate, the buttplate,etc. should be the same. This is rarely the case, as these rifles were "rearsenaled" during their long career, with parts swapped out.
If the rear sight is a lower unit with smaller serrations (the later meter-calibrated sight) and the front sight has a protective hood or ring - it's been converted into the later M91/30 design. This would reduce it's collector value, but it's still a good shooter.
And as stated, definitely clean well, as you would for a black powder gun. A good bore cleaner is Birchwood-Casey's Bore Scrubber at Wal-Mart. It smells strongly of ammonia, and will cut the corrosive salts from the old ammo (primer compound, actually). The swab out with regular bre cleaner like Hoppes, then oil it. If you let it go without a good cleaning, the bore becomes brown and hairy - no lie! And ruins the rifling.
Winchester makes a modern non-corrosive loading for the 7.62X54R, and any good gunshop should be able to order it. It'd be the stuff to use, for hunting or to see what the old gun will do with good commercial ammo.
Again, congrats on finding a nice rifle!

NRAJOE · 10-17-2004, 06:28 AM

All I know is I like your Avatar...

NorCalAshnjikov · 10-28-2004, 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BattleRifleG3

No, Big Dog, she isn't single... that's what profiles are for finding out, remember? (Yes, I checked.)

I hear

Big Dog is a great shot

:cough:
besides, there are a lot of swingers out there :nod:

Big Dog · 10-28-2004, 10:58 AM

My "rapidfire" days are gone, and now I'm a "singleshot"!

But I do like encouraging new collectors of good guns.

Gotta keep the hobby alive!

PAPA G · 10-28-2004, 11:23 AM

i think....ya know what i think??? i think all you guys with the raging testoserones drove her away.

SexyRedXterra · 10-28-2004, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAPA G

i think....ya know what i think??? i think all you guys with the raging testoserones drove her away.

I agree.

Dennis · 10-28-2004, 01:59 PM

Lucy please come back.....................

SexyRedXterra · 10-28-2004, 02:07 PM

Just as a word, hitting on the females as they start here is rather degrading to them. I mean some can take it as a joke, but not all can. It's something to keep in mind as a respect issue.

NRAJOE · 10-28-2004, 06:32 PM

Lets all put our testicles in jars guys...like modern Metrosexuals...its PC don't ya know...

10-08-2004, 10:52 AM	#1
lucymills8 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Homosassa, Florida Posts: 7	Ok Stupid girl (me) Bought the new gun . now what is it? Ok, You can definately call me the stupid girl... I fell in love with my jap 99 that I got, and got offed this amazing old gun at a price I couldent refuse. I even got to shoot it (AWESOME !!!).. but what I dont know is what is it. The markings on the barrel are New England Westing House Company 1915 (r ?) No. H 583761 It is bolt action. on side of barrel is ss 141452.. any one have any information for me... Be kind I am just beginning to collect.. Lucy

10-08-2004, 12:45 PM	#3
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,356	You aren't stupid - you are lucky! The Westinghouse Mosins are very sought-after. You are getting a very nice collection going. You go, Girl!! :guitar: A bunch of us are green with envy. The nice thing is, ammo for the Mosins is far easier to get, than for the Jap 99. If you can find a gunshow in your area, they'll have the 7.62X54R Russian ammo by the case, cheap! Otherwise, lot's of vendors sell it over the Net. Just Google on "7.62X54R ammo" - should get you lots of sources. As before though, get the old rifle checked out before firing. It's getting close to a century old. Where do you keep finding these great deals? Are ya single . . . ? __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

10-08-2004, 01:45 PM	#4
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,429 Images: 13	I have a 91/30 Mosin Nagant that is a great rifle. Indeed your Westinghouse sounds like an even greater one. Just to be sure that's what it is, do a search for Mosin Nagants and make sure that's what yours looks like. No, Big Dog, she isn't single... that's what profiles are for finding out, remember? (Yes, I checked.) But could ya mentor some of the young ladies up here to appreciate guns? __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

10-08-2004, 02:00 PM	#6
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,599 Images: 1	Hey you got a great rifle -- those have some of the best barrels out there I have 2 with Westinghouse barrels on them -- Good deal __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

10-17-2004, 12:11 AM	#8
toolman Mr. Fixit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 5,806 Blog Entries: 24	Hey Lucy, Welcome aboard! Since you are new to these, be warned, if the ammo that came with the gun is military surplus, it is most likely corrosive! That doesn't mean you can't shoot it, just give it a good scrubbing with Windex after shooting then clean and oil as usual. __________________ cosmoline is an aphrodisiac!

10-08-2004, 10:57 AM	#2
myarmor Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southwest ,VA Posts: 1,147	Do you have a pic of it?

10-08-2004, 01:53 PM	#5
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 11	also check out: www.gunboards.com this is the priemer Mosin-Nagant site, check it out.

10-08-2004, 02:01 PM	#7
lucymills8 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Homosassa, Florida Posts: 7	Yes, yes, yes,,,, That is is I forgot to tell you that I got five packages aprox. 92 rounds of ammo with it when I bought it... ( big big, grin!!!!))) excuse me while I gloat a little see things dont usually go my way very often .. You have to see this one.. it is in SUCH great condition.. How do I check to see if it is all original ? I will take a few pictures so you all can see them.. LOL about the single thing, You wouldent want me any way. I have two many children. but, i do cook really well... LOL.... lucy

10-17-2004, 05:32 AM	#9
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,356	Lucy, if the Westinghouse rifle is original, it's an earlier M91 - the most easily noticed feature would be the rear sight. It should be a very rounded design with large serations for the elevation adjustment. This sight was calibrated in a unit of measurement called the "Arshin", somewhat shorter than our meter (about 30 inches, IIRC). The front sight will be a simple blade. All numbers on the barrel (over the chamber), the bolt handle, the magazine floorplate, the buttplate,etc. should be the same. This is rarely the case, as these rifles were "rearsenaled" during their long career, with parts swapped out. If the rear sight is a lower unit with smaller serrations (the later meter-calibrated sight) and the front sight has a protective hood or ring - it's been converted into the later M91/30 design. This would reduce it's collector value, but it's still a good shooter. And as stated, definitely clean well, as you would for a black powder gun. A good bore cleaner is Birchwood-Casey's Bore Scrubber at Wal-Mart. It smells strongly of ammonia, and will cut the corrosive salts from the old ammo (primer compound, actually). The swab out with regular bre cleaner like Hoppes, then oil it. If you let it go without a good cleaning, the bore becomes brown and hairy - no lie! And ruins the rifling. Winchester makes a modern non-corrosive loading for the 7.62X54R, and any good gunshop should be able to order it. It'd be the stuff to use, for hunting or to see what the old gun will do with good commercial ammo. Again, congrats on finding a nice rifle! __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

10-17-2004, 06:28 AM	#10
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,175 Images: 3	All I know is I like your Avatar... __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

10-28-2004, 10:58 AM	#12
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,356	My "rapidfire" days are gone, and now I'm a "singleshot"! But I do like encouraging new collectors of good guns. Gotta keep the hobby alive! __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

10-28-2004, 11:23 AM	#13
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 11	i think....ya know what i think??? i think all you guys with the raging testoserones drove her away.

10-28-2004, 01:59 PM	#15
Dennis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,878	Lucy please come back..................... __________________ Submitted with respect to all

10-28-2004, 02:07 PM	#16
SexyRedXterra Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: NJ Shore and Western PA Posts: 1,206	Just as a word, hitting on the females as they start here is rather degrading to them. I mean some can take it as a joke, but not all can. It's something to keep in mind as a respect issue. __________________ "God doesn't always do things on our schedule, but he's always right on time."

10-28-2004, 06:32 PM	#17
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,175 Images: 3	Lets all put our testicles in jars guys...like modern Metrosexuals...its PC don't ya know... __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany