Cheap .223 Rifle

PAPA G · 10-23-2004, 01:39 PM

suggestions for an inexpensive .223 rifle. would be for occasional sniping at foxes, miscellanious varmints, stray dogs etc.

10-23-2004, 02:09 PM

http://www.savagearms.com/40Varmint.htm

NRAJOE · 10-23-2004, 02:41 PM

It is a well known fact that the AK is one of the finest rifles in the world. The original AK plant and the office of KALASHNIKOV is in the IZHMASH factory in Izhevsk Russia. Now the IZHMASH factory brings you the sporting version of the world famous AK and they call it "SAIGA". Yes, there are some changes such as: Hunting stock / forend

Standard capacity magazines

Wide range of calibers or gauges

Sporting sighting system

But under the hood lies the famous AK action / design, built by the original AK factory. Standard features: Hammer forged chrome lined barrel

Machined steel bolt

AK side scope rail

Polymer magazine and iron sights.

Options:

Scope Mount

Checkered wood stock / forend

Polymer stock / forend

Extra magazines

If you want a dependable semi-auto rifle or shotgun then buy a Saiga and you will see why the AK action is considered one of the most dependable actions in the world.

Around $259

.223 and 7.62x39 came close to buying one today...

10-23-2004, 02:56 PM

Introducing the new Savage AccuTrigger™... A revolutionary design that will forever change the way shooters expect triggers to function.

Savage is constantly searching for new products or innovations that provide a true benefit to shooters. The trigger is one significant area that captured Savage's attention. Most triggers found in firearms produced today have a very heavy pull. The reason is quite simple...liability. Manufacturers cannot afford to ship firearms with triggers that could accidentally discharge; therefore, they design their firearms with heavy trigger pulls.

Almost all triggers can be adjusted to some degree. Some triggers have a screw that can be adjusted in order to reduce spring pressure on the sear mechanism, while others require a gunsmith to polish the mating components to reduce sear engagement. Adjustments to factory triggers can create an unsafe condition and usually void the factory warranty.

Savage is a unique company. Its managers, including the owner, are shooters and hunters. They listen to other shooters to understand what they want (and don't want) in a firearm. Most shooters are frustrated with a legal system that mandates the design of heavy triggers. They don’t feel they should be required to buy a firearm and then pay a gunsmith to have the trigger adjusted.

Savage challenged its engineering team to design a completely new trigger system that would give shooters what they desired. It took several years, but Savage’s new AccuTrigger™ meets every objective.

The AccuTrigger™ is Easily Adjustable

In most centerfire hunting models for 2004, the AccuTrigger™ is adjustable from approximately 2 1/2 lbs to 6 lbs, giving the shooter the flexibility to set the trigger pull to individual preference without paying a gunsmith to adjust the trigger. In the 12 Series Varmint and Law Enforcement Series, the AccuTrigger™ is adjustable from approximately 1 1/2lbs to 6lbs.

Adjustment of the AccuTrigger™ is easy. Simply remove the stock and rotate the return spring with the tool supplied with the rifle. The AccuTrigger™ has a single adjustment location and is designed so it cannot be adjusted below the minimum setting.

The AccuTrigger is Completely Safe

The AccuTrigger™ is completely safe and cannot accidentally discharge from being jarred or dropped when maintained and adjusted as intended. The trigger is designed with an integrated AccuRelease™ that must be completely depressed or the rifle cannot fire. While pulling the trigger, the AccuRelease™ is intentionally depressed, which unblocks the sear and allows the rifle to discharge.

A newly designed teardrop safety is an additional feature on rifles with the new trigger. It provides for better acquisition of the safety button and operates smoother and quieter.

The AccuTrigger™ is Extremely Crisp and Exhibits No Creep.

Savage used sophisticated software to compare objective measurements of their new AccuTrigger™ with competitors’ triggers. These comparisons confirmed there is a graphic and repeatable difference between the AccuTrigger™ and all other triggers tested. This objective method of testing demonstrated the new Savage system has a lighter trigger pull than all the other major brands. In fact, the AccuTrigger™ was lighter than a top-of-the-line imported brand and a custom aftermarket trigger. Testing also revealed the AccuTrigger™ was much smoother, crisper, broke cleaner and demonstrated less creep than any other factory-built trigger tested.

See and use the future of the industry — the Savage AccuTrigger™--the trigger system that makes all others obsolete.

Big Dog · 10-23-2004, 03:30 PM

Given the parameters of cheapness, shooting foxes, stray dogs and other varmints, and keeping it simple - my vote would be the H&R/NEF single-shot in .223 Rem caliber. You can find one under two bills. Add a cheap but decent scope - you're in business!

SilverRun · 10-23-2004, 03:44 PM

I would agree with the previous post regarding Savage and Sagia. If you want to step up a little from there in price, you can get a .223 ruger ranch rifle for a little less than an AR-15. Kel-tec is also making a neat little .223 rifle in the $500 range. Lots of choices!

sniper762 · 10-23-2004, 05:20 PM

Stick with the single shot or bolt action if you plan to hunt varmints with it. The Ruger Mini-14, though a fine rifle has poor acuracy when it comes to small varmint size targets especially past 200 yards.

Big Dog · 10-23-2004, 06:31 PM

Exactly my thoughts. The initial idea seems to be geared towards a singleshot or bolt rifle. Ya don't need a thirty round banana clip to hunt varmints.

G Hollingsworth · 10-24-2004, 08:22 AM

I would hope this doesn't upset anyone BUT,the ak is and will always be what it is, A well designed MILITARY (throw-a -way) firearm. As far as i'm see,the best thing about the ak is you can throw it in the mud and keep shooting. Its to bad we didn't have it in the early days of S E Asia. Anybody that knows about our early stoner understands.

PAPA G · 10-24-2004, 11:36 AM

well...ole Brer Fox is a red

any way thanks for the suggestions, will keep searching the pawn & gun shop

silentknight · 10-25-2004, 09:11 AM

If you can spend 500 on one I'd sugest a Tikka T3, I couldn't be happier with mine

CV32 · 11-15-2004, 12:47 PM

Tikka T3 gets my vote too. Excellent rifle.

Shaun · 11-15-2004, 02:00 PM

I second Big Dogs suggestion of the H&R/NEF

utahvarminter · 08-11-2005, 04:36 PM

savage 10fp (blued synthetic heavy 24" over sized bolt handle), or 12fv(blued synthetic heavy 26" oversized bolt handle)

myarmor · 08-11-2005, 05:21 PM

Here ya go:
Bolt Action: http://www.savagearms.com/st_200short.htm
These can be had a low as $250-300

Single Shot: http://www.hr1871.com/firearms/index.php?cat=4
or http://www.rossiusa.com/products/products-rifles.cfm
These are in the $150-290 range.
Hope that helps.

BattleRifleG3 · 08-11-2005, 10:28 PM

Stevens Budget Bolt gun sounds like what I'd use. But the Saiga 223 kicks butt too.

myarmor · 08-12-2005, 12:37 AM

And why not I say. I plan on getting one down the road-the price is just too nice.
A brand new Savage 110 without the AccuTrigger, for a big discount.

BattleRifleG3 · 08-12-2005, 12:59 AM

I have one of the last Savages before the accutrigger. A 300 RUM. I shoot MOA with it. And this is ME we're talking about, and I suck.

myarmor · 08-12-2005, 08:39 AM

Savage always keeps thier reputation for accuracy. And these Stevens are getting great reports.

utahvarminter · 08-12-2005, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by myarmor

Here ya go:
Bolt Action: http://www.savagearms.com/st_200short.htm
These can be had a low as $250-300

PLEASE FOR HEAVENS SAKES< DO NOT GET A STEVENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the trigger is like seeing a grand-pa in a speedo, is CREEPY

!

10-23-2004, 01:39 PM	#1
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12	Cheap .223 Rifle suggestions for an inexpensive .223 rifle. would be for occasional sniping at foxes, miscellanious varmints, stray dogs etc.

10-23-2004, 02:41 PM	#3
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,052 Images: 3	It is a well known fact that the AK is one of the finest rifles in the world. The original AK plant and the office of KALASHNIKOV is in the IZHMASH factory in Izhevsk Russia. Now the IZHMASH factory brings you the sporting version of the world famous AK and they call it "SAIGA". Yes, there are some changes such as: Hunting stock / forend Standard capacity magazines Wide range of calibers or gauges Sporting sighting system But under the hood lies the famous AK action / design, built by the original AK factory. Standard features: Hammer forged chrome lined barrel Machined steel bolt AK side scope rail Polymer magazine and iron sights. Options: Scope Mount Checkered wood stock / forend Polymer stock / forend Extra magazines If you want a dependable semi-auto rifle or shotgun then buy a Saiga and you will see why the AK action is considered one of the most dependable actions in the world. Around $259 .223 and 7.62x39 came close to buying one today... __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany Last edited by NRAJOE; 10-23-2004 at 02:43 PM.

10-23-2004, 02:56 PM	#4
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	AccuTrigger™ Introducing the new Savage AccuTrigger™... A revolutionary design that will forever change the way shooters expect triggers to function. Savage is constantly searching for new products or innovations that provide a true benefit to shooters. The trigger is one significant area that captured Savage's attention. Most triggers found in firearms produced today have a very heavy pull. The reason is quite simple...liability. Manufacturers cannot afford to ship firearms with triggers that could accidentally discharge; therefore, they design their firearms with heavy trigger pulls. Almost all triggers can be adjusted to some degree. Some triggers have a screw that can be adjusted in order to reduce spring pressure on the sear mechanism, while others require a gunsmith to polish the mating components to reduce sear engagement. Adjustments to factory triggers can create an unsafe condition and usually void the factory warranty. Savage is a unique company. Its managers, including the owner, are shooters and hunters. They listen to other shooters to understand what they want (and don't want) in a firearm. Most shooters are frustrated with a legal system that mandates the design of heavy triggers. They don’t feel they should be required to buy a firearm and then pay a gunsmith to have the trigger adjusted. Savage challenged its engineering team to design a completely new trigger system that would give shooters what they desired. It took several years, but Savage’s new AccuTrigger™ meets every objective. The AccuTrigger™ is Easily Adjustable In most centerfire hunting models for 2004, the AccuTrigger™ is adjustable from approximately 2 1/2 lbs to 6 lbs, giving the shooter the flexibility to set the trigger pull to individual preference without paying a gunsmith to adjust the trigger. In the 12 Series Varmint and Law Enforcement Series, the AccuTrigger™ is adjustable from approximately 1 1/2lbs to 6lbs. Adjustment of the AccuTrigger™ is easy. Simply remove the stock and rotate the return spring with the tool supplied with the rifle. The AccuTrigger™ has a single adjustment location and is designed so it cannot be adjusted below the minimum setting. The AccuTrigger is Completely Safe The AccuTrigger™ is completely safe and cannot accidentally discharge from being jarred or dropped when maintained and adjusted as intended. The trigger is designed with an integrated AccuRelease™ that must be completely depressed or the rifle cannot fire. While pulling the trigger, the AccuRelease™ is intentionally depressed, which unblocks the sear and allows the rifle to discharge. A newly designed teardrop safety is an additional feature on rifles with the new trigger. It provides for better acquisition of the safety button and operates smoother and quieter. The AccuTrigger™ is Extremely Crisp and Exhibits No Creep. Savage used sophisticated software to compare objective measurements of their new AccuTrigger™ with competitors’ triggers. These comparisons confirmed there is a graphic and repeatable difference between the AccuTrigger™ and all other triggers tested. This objective method of testing demonstrated the new Savage system has a lighter trigger pull than all the other major brands. In fact, the AccuTrigger™ was lighter than a top-of-the-line imported brand and a custom aftermarket trigger. Testing also revealed the AccuTrigger™ was much smoother, crisper, broke cleaner and demonstrated less creep than any other factory-built trigger tested. See and use the future of the industry — the Savage AccuTrigger™--the trigger system that makes all others obsolete.

10-23-2004, 03:30 PM	#5
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,219	Given the parameters of cheapness, shooting foxes, stray dogs and other varmints, and keeping it simple - my vote would be the H&R/NEF single-shot in .223 Rem caliber. You can find one under two bills. Add a cheap but decent scope - you're in business! __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

10-23-2004, 06:31 PM	#8
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,219	Exactly my thoughts. The initial idea seems to be geared towards a singleshot or bolt rifle. Ya don't need a thirty round banana clip to hunt varmints. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

10-23-2004, 02:09 PM	#2
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	http://www.savagearms.com/40Varmint.htm

10-23-2004, 03:44 PM	#6
SilverRun Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: AL Posts: 1,661	I would agree with the previous post regarding Savage and Sagia. If you want to step up a little from there in price, you can get a .223 ruger ranch rifle for a little less than an AR-15. Kel-tec is also making a neat little .223 rifle in the $500 range. Lots of choices!

10-23-2004, 05:20 PM	#7
sniper762 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: NorthCarolina Posts: 118	Stick with the single shot or bolt action if you plan to hunt varmints with it. The Ruger Mini-14, though a fine rifle has poor acuracy when it comes to small varmint size targets especially past 200 yards.

10-24-2004, 08:22 AM	#9
G Hollingsworth Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 227	I would hope this doesn't upset anyone BUT,the ak is and will always be what it is, A well designed MILITARY (throw-a -way) firearm. As far as i'm see,the best thing about the ak is you can throw it in the mud and keep shooting. Its to bad we didn't have it in the early days of S E Asia. Anybody that knows about our early stoner understands.

10-24-2004, 11:36 AM	#10
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12	well...ole Brer Fox is a red any way thanks for the suggestions, will keep searching the pawn & gun shop

10-25-2004, 09:11 AM	#11
silentknight Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,125 Images: 3	If you can spend 500 on one I'd sugest a Tikka T3, I couldn't be happier with mine __________________ Sic Vis Pacem Parabellum

11-15-2004, 12:47 PM	#12
CV32 Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Newfoundland Posts: 88	Tikka T3 gets my vote too. Excellent rifle. __________________ Happiness is a warm gun. - The Beatles

11-15-2004, 02:00 PM	#13
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,592 Images: 1	I second Big Dogs suggestion of the H&R/NEF __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

08-11-2005, 04:36 PM	#14
utahvarminter Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Utah Posts: 487	savage 10fp (blued synthetic heavy 24" over sized bolt handle), or 12fv(blued synthetic heavy 26" oversized bolt handle) __________________ My Photo Album Last edited by utahvarminter; 08-12-2005 at 09:59 PM. Reason: Screwed up information

08-11-2005, 05:21 PM	#15
myarmor Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southwest ,VA Posts: 1,147	Here ya go: Bolt Action: http://www.savagearms.com/st_200short.htm These can be had a low as $250-300 Single Shot: http://www.hr1871.com/firearms/index.php?cat=4 or http://www.rossiusa.com/products/products-rifles.cfm These are in the $150-290 range. Hope that helps.

08-11-2005, 10:28 PM	#16
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	Stevens Budget Bolt gun sounds like what I'd use. But the Saiga 223 kicks butt too. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

08-12-2005, 12:37 AM	#17
myarmor Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southwest ,VA Posts: 1,147	And why not I say. I plan on getting one down the road-the price is just too nice. A brand new Savage 110 without the AccuTrigger, for a big discount.

08-12-2005, 12:59 AM	#18
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	I have one of the last Savages before the accutrigger. A 300 RUM. I shoot MOA with it. And this is ME we're talking about, and I suck. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

08-12-2005, 08:39 AM	#19
myarmor Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southwest ,VA Posts: 1,147	Savage always keeps thier reputation for accuracy. And these Stevens are getting great reports.