[Libertyman777]

Well, we may have to agree to disagree but there have been many disagreements that were much worse than ours, over firearms theology. I will say this, regardless of how I feel about the effectiveness of any of the aforementioned calibers on thing is for certain, they were used prolifically, as the body counts will attest to. I think that we now have come full circle. You are exactly right about the subsonic 22 ammo, bullet placement is the most important issue and this is what I was trying to convey to the gentleman with the question. Touche Sir Klaus.