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Old 12-11-2004, 09:04 PM   #1
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Lightbulb Beretta 21A Bobcat

I ordered one of these today..been researching them


http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs27.htm

http://matrix.dumpshock.com/raygun/f...tol/ber21.html
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Old 12-11-2004, 09:29 PM   #2
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So you sprang for the extra 50 Yen . . .

How much are those little things in real cash money?
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Old 12-11-2004, 09:56 PM   #3
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$265 plus tax :jaw: :target:
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Old 12-11-2004, 09:58 PM   #4
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oh yeah..I almost forgot that's Nuyen from the RPG "Shadowrun"
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Old 12-12-2004, 06:29 AM   #5
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My wife has the .25 ACP version...nice "little" gun....
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Old 12-12-2004, 09:52 AM   #6
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My wife has the .25 ACP version...nice "little" gun....
my wife has a Glock 26 9mm which is also a nice little gun


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Stinger demonstrated slightly superior penetration performance than Viper. Stinger's penetration performance is marginal at best, but it's probably the best choice for a small 2 1/2-inch automatic pistol.

Viper is probably a better choice for handguns with barrel lengths between 3- and 6-inches, because if Stinger is used, and it expands, it might not penetrate deeply enough to reach vitals. This is not a concern with Viper. When fired from a longer barrel, the increased velocity will permit Viper to penetrate deeper than Stinger.

Quik-Shok is intriguing, but its use as a personal defense cartridge is not recommended, based on its shallow penetration and mild wound truama.

Many people have the mistaken belief that a 2 1/2-inch handgun chambered to fire the .22 Long Rifle cartridge is superior to a 2 1/2-inch handgun chambered to fire the .25 ACP cartridge. These tests show that when you fire .22 LR from a .25 ACP sized handgun, you should expect nothing better than .25 ACP-like performance. When fired from small handguns, .22 LR is virtually identical in performance to .25 ACP.

We like to think of small automatics chambered in .22 LR, .25 ACP and .32 ACP as "shoot and scoot" guns. They're best used as a means to escape deadly danger. They're not gunfight guns.

Finally, the Beretta M21A, chambered to fire .22 LR, is not a good choice as a personal defense handgun. The reason is because the Beretta does not have an extractor. When a cartridge misfires, the firing pin swages the rim of the cartridge to the breech, and the faulty cartridge must be either pried from the chamber with the blade of a knife or removed by inserting a cleaning rod down the bore. If you're considering the Beretta M21A pistol as a personal defense weapon, we feel you'd be better served by choosing one that's chambered to fire .25 ACP.

If you're contemplating .22 LR as a personal defense cartridge, we advise you to consider a revolver instead of an automatic pistol. Rimfire ammunition has a higher incidence of misfire failures than centerfire ammunition. With a revolver, when a misfire is encountered, the problem is solved immediately by pressing the trigger again.
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Old 12-12-2004, 09:56 AM   #7
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Many people have the mistaken belief that a 2 1/2-inch handgun chambered to fire the .22 Long Rifle cartridge is superior to a 2 1/2-inch handgun chambered to fire the .25 ACP cartridge. These tests show that when you fire .22 LR from a .25 ACP sized handgun, you should expect nothing better than .25 ACP-like performance. When fired from small handguns, .22 LR is virtually identical in performance to .25 ACP.

We like to think of small automatics chambered in .22 LR, .25 ACP and .32 ACP as "shoot and scoot" guns. They're best used as a means to escape deadly danger. They're not gunfight guns.

Finally, the Beretta M21A, chambered to fire .22 LR, is not a good choice as a personal defense handgun. The reason is because the Beretta does not have an extractor. When a cartridge misfires, the firing pin swages the rim of the cartridge to the breech, and the faulty cartridge must be either pried from the chamber with the blade of a knife or removed by inserting a cleaning rod down the bore. If you're considering the Beretta M21A pistol as a personal defense weapon, we feel you'd be better served by choosing one that's chambered to fire .25 ACP.

If you're contemplating .22 LR as a personal defense cartridge, we advise you to consider a revolver instead of an automatic pistol. Rimfire ammunition has a higher incidence of misfire failures than centerfire ammunition. With a revolver, when a misfire is encountered, the problem is solved immediately by pressing the trigger again.
thankfully this is only for front pocket carry while fishing in water moccassin territory loaded with snakeshot
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