FR8 Spanish Mauser...

GUNRUNNER · 04-23-2005, 10:13 PM

Next month I pick up a 90% condition FR8 Mauser with bayo for $175....anyone else got one...anything to look for? Accurate?

gunssb · 04-23-2005, 10:22 PM

Me wants one but all I've seen so far are overpriced

Let us know how it shoots.

I wish I lived where GUNRUNNER dude lives. Do they let Californians into Nrajoeville ?

GUNRUNNER · 04-23-2005, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by gunssb

Me wants one but all I've seen so far are overpriced

Let us know how it shoots.

I wish I lived where GUNRUNNER dude lives. Do they let Californians into Nrajoeville ?

Sure, but Californians need a little more work...they start crying for joy when they realize there are no bad Democrats in NRAJOEVILLE...

Even the Democrats in NRAJOEVILLE love the 2nd Amendment...

rebel727 · 04-24-2005, 05:25 AM

Gunrunner, I've got a 1916 Spanish mauser that was rechambered to .308 by the Spanish armory. They're not good quality. The recievers are not heat treated. Factory .308 is about as hot as you want to go or they'll beat themseles to pieces. Mine fired 2 ft. left at 50 yds. It's currently residing at my gunsmith's shop waiting for a new barrel. Gave 80 dollars for it in a pawn shop 2 years ago. That was the going price on them then, haven't priced one lately. Don't want another one.

Big Dog · 04-24-2005, 05:43 AM

The Spanish M1916 is a small ring Mauser, as is the modified FR7. Not robust enough for the full-power .308.

BUT . . . the beloved FR8 is a large-ring Mauser, designed for the 8mm cartridge, and will handle full .308 pressures. The only difference between it and the parent M43 Spanish Mauser is the filler in the front of the mag for the shorter .308 length.
Joe, typical things to check:
The bolt lugs - check for set-back. Even the best Mausers may show some, given there age. Have a 'smith check the headspace, to be sure.
The rear sight - make sure the detents are in place, and the rotary sigth stays in place when adjusted. The little balls sometimes get lost.
The over-all condition of course. The one sounds mighty good!

rebel727 · 04-24-2005, 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Dog

The Spanish M1916 is a small ring Mauser, as is the modified FR7. Not robust enough for the full-power .308.

BUT . . . the beloved FR8 is a large-ring Mauser, designed for the 8mm cartridge, and will handle full .308 pressures. The only difference between it and the parent M43 Spanish Mauser is the filler in the front of the mag for the shorter .308 length.

Good deal! My only experience with Spanish wasn't pleasant. Guess I need a lot more ejucatun on mausers LOL!!!

GUNRUNNER · 04-24-2005, 12:49 PM

Good to know Seawolf...err I mean Bigdog....

Rave · 05-12-2005, 02:04 PM

I had an FR8,cool little rifle,had a flash hider,kind of like a carbine with a big bark!

GUNRUNNER · 05-12-2005, 03:06 PM

Get her in two days.....

Rave · 05-12-2005, 08:31 PM

The write ups said they had new barrels installed,but were original otherwise.

PAPA G · 05-12-2005, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Dog

The little balls sometimes get lost.

hey Large Canine, i think Gunrunner has that situation covered!!!

maybe it can be modified to take M-14 mags, i cannot imagine GunRunner using a rifle with out large capacity ammo storage devices :lucky:

GUNRUNNER · 05-12-2005, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by PAPA G

hey Large Canine, i think Gunrunner has that situation covered!!!

maybe it can be modified to take M-14 mags, i cannot imagine GunRunner using a rifle with out large capacity ammo storage devices :lucky:

Hey now...what about my 4 Mosins?

I can practice controlled fire sometimes...

BattleRifleG3 · 05-13-2005, 09:38 AM

And I can crank five rounds out of a Mosin faster than some can out of a semi-auto. I absolutely LOVE that super-smooth bolt action.

larry capansky · 09-11-2006, 09:11 PM

where are these 175.00 fr8 mausers or even a f7 cival guardia in 308;

swabjocky · 09-11-2006, 09:39 PM

I don't know where you guys got your information about the M1916 Spanish Mauser. These are tough little guns that hold up quite well. Yes they kick almost as bad as an M44.

So far mine does quite well with just about anything I put in it.

Big Dog · 09-12-2006, 09:14 PM

My buddy just got his new M1916 Guardia Civil Mauser - pretty nice for it's age! Clean bore (some frosting), beeyootiful tiger-striped walnut stock! It's got a few decades of age-grunge, but if properly cleaned will look stunning.
Chromed bolt and cocking piece. Came with a muzzle cover and original leather sling.

I liked it so much, I ordered one tonight . . .

A man can never have too many Spanish Ladies. :guitar:

All the FR8 rifles I see are going for about $300 and up. Paid $240 for mine - off paper. It's definitely a keeper.
The talk of "soft Spanish steel" is a long-suffering myth. Nothing wrong with Spanish rifles. No definitive proof has ever been shown of an M1916 that failed when in good condition shooting either 7.62X51 or commercial .308Win.
Given it's age, the two lugs vs. the M98's three and the earlier "small ring" action, I would feel better not shooting full power .308 in it. Just my personal preference.

larry capansky · 10-02-2006, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rave

The write ups said they had new barrels installed,but were original otherwise.

where can i get a fr8?

BattleRifleG3 · 10-02-2006, 08:46 PM

Wherever you can find it. They're neither imported nor distributed anymore. You'd have to find a pre-owned specimen.

Agent006 · 10-09-2006, 04:45 PM

I just bought one of those 1916 Spanish Mausers in 7.62mm NATO. But of course it was marked 308 and I know better. From what I've read, the small-ring Mausers were built to handle the 7mm round with around 46,000 psi and the 7.62 NATO goes up around 50,000 psi. So, that's a bit more than it was built to handle but guns tend to be over-built rather than under-built as it would make little sense to build a gun barely strong enough to handle it's own cartridge! But, there is reasonably limits to this and I feel that excessive use of the full-power 308 Winchester ammo can lead to some dangerous problems with increased headspace, etc.

Here's some information on the 1916's and FR7, FR8's and the ammo issues.
Collecting and Shooting the Surplus Rifle - The Spanish Inquisition

I'm only using the NATO ammo in my Mauser, but it sounds like the FR8 version should hold up quite well if it's a large-ring Mauser. It's got much better sights and a storage compartment for cleaning tools and a bayonet mount that sort of looks like a gas-tube for a semi-auto rifle. Along with that and the flash-hider, it's a pretty unique little rifle.

My only complaint with my own rifle is that it feeds kinda rough and it's weird tendancy to let the last round in the magazine eject along with the empty cartridge just before it. This is because the first round seems to pop right back out as soon as you load it in and you have to make sure it's really in there! I tend to just load in two at a time to keep this from happening and the last round only pops out if you open the action rather quickly. I can't go pumping those things out like I can with my Enfield.

Oh, and does anyone know what's up with that weird burgundy/orange finish on my Mauser's ejector and cocking peice? It's something I've only seen on a few Mausers like this and I'm not familiar with it.

Big Dog · 10-09-2006, 08:13 PM

That reddish sheen to some parts is the blueing - I think it's just the particular type of steel used, reacting with the chemicals. It's common on Mosin Nagants, and even my Ruger Security Six revolver shows a bit of this!

04-23-2005, 10:13 PM	#1
GUNRUNNER Guest Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NRAJOEVILLE...A crazy, happy little place. Posts: 450	FR8 Spanish Mauser... Next month I pick up a 90% condition FR8 Mauser with bayo for $175....anyone else got one...anything to look for? Accurate?

04-24-2005, 05:25 AM	#4
rebel727 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Heidelberg, Mississippi Posts: 1,541	Gunrunner, I've got a 1916 Spanish mauser that was rechambered to .308 by the Spanish armory. They're not good quality. The recievers are not heat treated. Factory .308 is about as hot as you want to go or they'll beat themseles to pieces. Mine fired 2 ft. left at 50 yds. It's currently residing at my gunsmith's shop waiting for a new barrel. Gave 80 dollars for it in a pawn shop 2 years ago. That was the going price on them then, haven't priced one lately. Don't want another one. __________________ North-1 South-0 HALFTIME!

04-24-2005, 05:43 AM	#5
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,205	The Spanish M1916 is a small ring Mauser, as is the modified FR7. Not robust enough for the full-power .308. BUT . . . the beloved FR8 is a large-ring Mauser, designed for the 8mm cartridge, and will handle full .308 pressures. The only difference between it and the parent M43 Spanish Mauser is the filler in the front of the mag for the shorter .308 length. Joe, typical things to check: The bolt lugs - check for set-back. Even the best Mausers may show some, given there age. Have a 'smith check the headspace, to be sure. The rear sight - make sure the detents are in place, and the rotary sigth stays in place when adjusted. The little balls sometimes get lost. The over-all condition of course. The one sounds mighty good! __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

05-12-2005, 02:04 PM	#8
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 6,859	I had an FR8,cool little rifle,had a flash hider,kind of like a carbine with a big bark! __________________ USAF '62-'66 .

05-12-2005, 08:31 PM	#10
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 6,859	The write ups said they had new barrels installed,but were original otherwise. __________________ USAF '62-'66 .

04-23-2005, 10:22 PM	#2
gunssb Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: socal Posts: 1,833	Me wants one but all I've seen so far are overpriced Let us know how it shoots. I wish I lived where GUNRUNNER dude lives. Do they let Californians into Nrajoeville ?

04-24-2005, 12:49 PM	#7
GUNRUNNER Guest Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NRAJOEVILLE...A crazy, happy little place. Posts: 450	Good to know Seawolf...err I mean Bigdog....

05-12-2005, 03:06 PM	#9
GUNRUNNER Guest Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NRAJOEVILLE...A crazy, happy little place. Posts: 450	Get her in two days.....

05-13-2005, 09:38 AM	#13
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	And I can crank five rounds out of a Mosin faster than some can out of a semi-auto. I absolutely LOVE that super-smooth bolt action. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

09-11-2006, 09:11 PM	#14
larry capansky Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2	fr8 spanish mausers ? where are these 175.00 fr8 mausers or even a f7 cival guardia in 308;

09-11-2006, 09:39 PM	#15
swabjocky Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 59	I don't know where you guys got your information about the M1916 Spanish Mauser. These are tough little guns that hold up quite well. Yes they kick almost as bad as an M44. So far mine does quite well with just about anything I put in it.

09-12-2006, 09:14 PM	#16
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,205	My buddy just got his new M1916 Guardia Civil Mauser - pretty nice for it's age! Clean bore (some frosting), beeyootiful tiger-striped walnut stock! It's got a few decades of age-grunge, but if properly cleaned will look stunning. Chromed bolt and cocking piece. Came with a muzzle cover and original leather sling. I liked it so much, I ordered one tonight . . . A man can never have too many Spanish Ladies. :guitar: All the FR8 rifles I see are going for about $300 and up. Paid $240 for mine - off paper. It's definitely a keeper. The talk of "soft Spanish steel" is a long-suffering myth. Nothing wrong with Spanish rifles. No definitive proof has ever been shown of an M1916 that failed when in good condition shooting either 7.62X51 or commercial .308Win. Given it's age, the two lugs vs. the M98's three and the earlier "small ring" action, I would feel better not shooting full power .308 in it. Just my personal preference. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

10-02-2006, 08:46 PM	#18
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	Wherever you can find it. They're neither imported nor distributed anymore. You'd have to find a pre-owned specimen. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

10-09-2006, 04:45 PM	#19
Agent006 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: South Carolina Upstate Posts: 179 Images: 10 Blog Entries: 1	I just bought one of those 1916 Spanish Mausers in 7.62mm NATO. But of course it was marked 308 and I know better. From what I've read, the small-ring Mausers were built to handle the 7mm round with around 46,000 psi and the 7.62 NATO goes up around 50,000 psi. So, that's a bit more than it was built to handle but guns tend to be over-built rather than under-built as it would make little sense to build a gun barely strong enough to handle it's own cartridge! But, there is reasonably limits to this and I feel that excessive use of the full-power 308 Winchester ammo can lead to some dangerous problems with increased headspace, etc. Here's some information on the 1916's and FR7, FR8's and the ammo issues. Collecting and Shooting the Surplus Rifle - The Spanish Inquisition I'm only using the NATO ammo in my Mauser, but it sounds like the FR8 version should hold up quite well if it's a large-ring Mauser. It's got much better sights and a storage compartment for cleaning tools and a bayonet mount that sort of looks like a gas-tube for a semi-auto rifle. Along with that and the flash-hider, it's a pretty unique little rifle. My only complaint with my own rifle is that it feeds kinda rough and it's weird tendancy to let the last round in the magazine eject along with the empty cartridge just before it. This is because the first round seems to pop right back out as soon as you load it in and you have to make sure it's really in there! I tend to just load in two at a time to keep this from happening and the last round only pops out if you open the action rather quickly. I can't go pumping those things out like I can with my Enfield. Oh, and does anyone know what's up with that weird burgundy/orange finish on my Mauser's ejector and cocking peice? It's something I've only seen on a few Mausers like this and I'm not familiar with it.

10-09-2006, 08:13 PM	#20
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,205	That reddish sheen to some parts is the blueing - I think it's just the particular type of steel used, reacting with the chemicals. It's common on Mosin Nagants, and even my Ruger Security Six revolver shows a bit of this! __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.