Custom gun use - good, bad choice?

BattleRifleG3 · 05-01-2005, 01:22 AM

I've been looking into an affordable 308 milsurp, and found this on a search:
http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976316446.htm
http://www.gunsamerica.com/upload/976316446-1.jpg

Wondering if this is a severe bubba-ing travesty, if it's safe, and if that's a good deal.

Also wondering if the Arisakas are related to the Mausers or anything else. Not familiar with them at all.

hounddawg · 05-01-2005, 06:55 AM

G3, I too have been asking for info on these rifles, but it seems that there is no fount of knowledge about them on this forum. I must assume that those who fired them did not live to tell of their experience.

Dale · 05-01-2005, 09:53 AM

I have no experience with the Japanese 'mauser' but I know Dana speaks very highly of their function and such.

For what it's worth:

www.surplusrifle.com

click on either Arisaka links on the left.

DANA · 05-01-2005, 02:13 PM

It has been a long time since I have seen Jap conversions. After the War (II) many were made into 30/06 sporters. They are said to have some of the strongest actions of the day. Some were very well done but not as refined as Mausers.

DANA

rebel727 · 05-01-2005, 02:20 PM

My first milsurp was a Jap 7.7 it got stolen along with a couple of Ger. Mausers. I shot the gun a lot and it was a good shooter. reliable and accurate. I never thought the action was that strong tho......or do you just want it for tha manlicker (as advertised) stock?

PAPA G · 05-01-2005, 03:16 PM

P.O.Ackley said it was the strongest action when he did his blow up tests many years ago. it cocks on closing. if ya can live with that, then get it.

rebel727 · 05-01-2005, 04:42 PM

Been doing a lil reading up on it and it is a strong action except for the ones made late in the war.

Big Dog · 05-01-2005, 05:37 PM

Good rifles, and they are recognised as a Mauser type action. Stay away from the late-war 'Last Ditch' rifles for anything but a wall-hanger, but the pre-war and early war rifles are strong.
Since it's already been converted, you won't be thought a Bubba. I've seen some very nice sporters built on this action. :right:

Good price for a decent hunting rifle in an excellent caliber.

BattleRifleG3 · 05-01-2005, 09:04 PM

Hmm, looks like a sweet possibility. And I could dig the cock-on-closing. Wonder if the girl would too...

rebel727 · 05-01-2005, 10:33 PM

Just a lil harder to close is all and that can be changed to cock on opening. It's a nice rifle and prolly a very good shooter to boot I say go for it. Not real crazy about the safety setup but it works.

hounddawg · 05-01-2005, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by rebel727

Been doing a lil reading up on it and it is a strong action except for the ones made late in the war.

Have you found anything mentioning two-piece barrels on the late-war Arisakas? I polished one up for bluing (customer's idea, not mine) and came across a join in the barrel about 10 inches from the crown. Any info?

gunssb · 05-01-2005, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by hounddawg

Have you found anything mentioning two-piece barrels on the late-war Arisakas? I polished one up for bluing (customer's idea, not mine) and came across a join in the barrel about 10 inches from the crown. Any info?

hounddawg, try asking the guys at parallax bills milsurplus forum (google search: parallax bill) - plenty of knowledgable Japanese rifle collectors there. DANA here should know but he doesn't seem to check the board as often as he used to.

hounddawg · 05-01-2005, 11:20 PM

Thank you :right:

rebel727 · 05-01-2005, 11:21 PM

Hounddawg, I've seen it mentioned somewhere before, prolly on another forum but I've never seen one or known of one personally. I'm by no means an authority on Jap or any other milsurp rifles.

DANA · 05-02-2005, 11:38 AM

I can't find anything on two piece barrels but offer this to look into. Check the barrel to see if it is rifled the full length. What may be the rifle was a smooth bore and a rifled barrel stub was added as a last ditch workup???? Any type of conversion was tried at the end of the War using what ever they had on hand. I.E. mixing all diffrent types of mod actions and barrels trying to get anything that could be used in a pinch

DANA

FutureMarine · 11-24-2005, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rebel727

My first milsurp was a Jap 7.7 it got stolen along with a couple of Ger. Mausers. I shot the gun a lot and it was a good shooter. reliable and accurate. I never thought the action was that strong tho......or do you just want it for tha manlicker (as advertised) stock?

My cousin has a 7.7 and he can not find any rounds for it. He saw something on the internet, BUT it was 1.25 a round!!!! I have heard that they are unreliable, and not too accurate.

cvixx · 01-10-2006, 09:03 AM

No surplus ammo anywhere but I 'think' Grafs sells commercial by Hornady..check them out.

BattleRifleG3 · 01-10-2006, 11:33 AM

Saw one at a quasi local shop for $225 in 308. I'm guessing it was a rechambering but I really don't know. It still cocked on closing but the safety was changed to a thumb safery.

05-01-2005, 01:22 AM	#1
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	Custom gun use - good, bad choice? I've been looking into an affordable 308 milsurp, and found this on a search: http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976316446.htm http://www.gunsamerica.com/upload/976316446-1.jpg Wondering if this is a severe bubba-ing travesty, if it's safe, and if that's a good deal. Also wondering if the Arisakas are related to the Mausers or anything else. Not familiar with them at all. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

05-01-2005, 06:55 AM	#2
hounddawg Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: South of Nasty-vile, Tennessee Posts: 535 Images: 1	G3, I too have been asking for info on these rifles, but it seems that there is no fount of knowledge about them on this forum. I must assume that those who fired them did not live to tell of their experience. __________________ http://images.animationfactory.com/a...ing_md_clr.gif If the people be of sound mind, laws are unneccesary. If the people be not of sound mind, laws are useless. --Plato

05-01-2005, 09:53 AM	#3
Dale Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Too Dang Hot, Arizona Posts: 4,284	I have no experience with the Japanese 'mauser' but I know Dana speaks very highly of their function and such. For what it's worth: www.surplusrifle.com click on either Arisaka links on the left. __________________ "It confuses me how some people can vigorously go against the 2nd. Amendment and still call themselves patriotic"-me

05-01-2005, 02:20 PM	#5
rebel727 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Heidelberg, Mississippi Posts: 1,545	My first milsurp was a Jap 7.7 it got stolen along with a couple of Ger. Mausers. I shot the gun a lot and it was a good shooter. reliable and accurate. I never thought the action was that strong tho......or do you just want it for tha manlicker (as advertised) stock? __________________ North-1 South-0 HALFTIME! Last edited by rebel727; 05-01-2005 at 02:24 PM.

05-01-2005, 04:42 PM	#7
rebel727 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Heidelberg, Mississippi Posts: 1,545	Been doing a lil reading up on it and it is a strong action except for the ones made late in the war. __________________ North-1 South-0 HALFTIME!

05-01-2005, 02:13 PM	#4
DANA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: WAITSFIELD VERMONT Posts: 1,595	It has been a long time since I have seen Jap conversions. After the War (II) many were made into 30/06 sporters. They are said to have some of the strongest actions of the day. Some were very well done but not as refined as Mausers. DANA

05-01-2005, 03:16 PM	#6
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12	P.O.Ackley said it was the strongest action when he did his blow up tests many years ago. it cocks on closing. if ya can live with that, then get it.

05-01-2005, 05:37 PM	#8
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,213	Good rifles, and they are recognised as a Mauser type action. Stay away from the late-war 'Last Ditch' rifles for anything but a wall-hanger, but the pre-war and early war rifles are strong. Since it's already been converted, you won't be thought a Bubba. I've seen some very nice sporters built on this action. :right: Good price for a decent hunting rifle in an excellent caliber. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

05-01-2005, 09:04 PM	#9
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	Hmm, looks like a sweet possibility. And I could dig the cock-on-closing. Wonder if the girl would too... __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

05-01-2005, 10:33 PM	#10
rebel727 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Heidelberg, Mississippi Posts: 1,545	Just a lil harder to close is all and that can be changed to cock on opening. It's a nice rifle and prolly a very good shooter to boot I say go for it. Not real crazy about the safety setup but it works. __________________ North-1 South-0 HALFTIME!

05-01-2005, 11:20 PM	#13
hounddawg Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: South of Nasty-vile, Tennessee Posts: 535 Images: 1	Thank you :right: __________________ http://images.animationfactory.com/a...ing_md_clr.gif If the people be of sound mind, laws are unneccesary. If the people be not of sound mind, laws are useless. --Plato

05-01-2005, 11:21 PM	#14
rebel727 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Heidelberg, Mississippi Posts: 1,545	Hounddawg, I've seen it mentioned somewhere before, prolly on another forum but I've never seen one or known of one personally. I'm by no means an authority on Jap or any other milsurp rifles. __________________ North-1 South-0 HALFTIME!

05-02-2005, 11:38 AM	#15
DANA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: WAITSFIELD VERMONT Posts: 1,595	I can't find anything on two piece barrels but offer this to look into. Check the barrel to see if it is rifled the full length. What may be the rifle was a smooth bore and a rifled barrel stub was added as a last ditch workup???? Any type of conversion was tried at the end of the War using what ever they had on hand. I.E. mixing all diffrent types of mod actions and barrels trying to get anything that could be used in a pinch DANA Last edited by DANA; 05-02-2005 at 11:41 AM.

01-10-2006, 09:03 AM	#17
cvixx Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 12	No surplus ammo anywhere but I 'think' Grafs sells commercial by Hornady..check them out.

01-10-2006, 11:33 AM	#18
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	Saw one at a quasi local shop for $225 in 308. I'm guessing it was a rechambering but I really don't know. It still cocked on closing but the safety was changed to a thumb safery. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf