good beginners bb gun?

catalyst · 05-23-2005, 05:20 PM

I was wondering about what bb gun would be a good starter one. I dont want any type of Co2 one, just a plain pump or spring loaded bb gun. I was thinking about getting the daisy "red ryder" bb gun. Is that a good gun? or how about the model 840 gun? My price range is about 50 or so. I do have some basic knowloedge with guns, though mostly pistols. I own a few airsoft guns, an M1911A1, M92F, and a G23.

also, i was wondering if there are any pump/spring loaded bolt action bb guns?. Only one's i've found are co2.

DANA · 05-23-2005, 06:02 PM

Benjaman made bolt action pump air rifles

DANA

Big Dog · 05-23-2005, 06:21 PM

The Red Ryder is a good little beginner gun, but is probably the extreme low-end in power. For close distance shooting, ten yards or so, it's pretty good.
For a kid, it's a great way to start. I got mine just for the nostalgia, and some 'cat-scat' duty in the backyard. Or maybe I'm just a 48-year-old kid at heart.

The next step up is the pump repeaters, either Daisy or Crossman. I prefer the Crossman. Good solid metal receiver, perfect for a scope.
Any BB gun will be range-limited though. If you want accuracy and fair distance, the rifled pellet rifles are a better deal. They are mroe expensive though.

There are bolt-action pellet rifles, marketed by the big name rifle companies, but they tend to be more expensive too. I know of no bolt-action BB guns.

catalyst · 05-23-2005, 06:30 PM

I just want a gun for target shooting in my backyard, which is probably 50 feet or so. For power, i just want the bb to be able to penetrate, or at least knock down an empty can from 50 feet or so.

Also, is what does a repeater mean? And are bb guns different from co2 guns? I just thought they all shot .177 bb's or something like that.

jerry · 05-23-2005, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DANA

Benjaman made bolt action pump air rifles

DANA

2nd that

BamaBowTie · 05-23-2005, 06:52 PM

Repeater usually just means it holds more that one round. There is no difference between pneumatic(pump, spring, etc...) and co2, other than the co2 guns usually have higher velocity. I would suggest the Crossman or Marksman pump, they are cheap and have a good range for the price, both will use bb's, pellets, darts, or bolts. Start with one of those and if you like it step up to a Benjamin later. Well, that's just my 2 cents.

catalyst · 05-23-2005, 07:39 PM

I was just planning on getting somtehing like a pneumatic crosman or daisy bb gun. I was leaning towards the red ryder, as its like 30 bucks or so, and it doesnt have to be pumped, or at least i didnt think so. Something cheap and easy to find over at like a big 5 or something is basically what im looking for, good enough for some backyard shooting. :uzi:

troylaplante · 05-23-2005, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Dog

The Red Ryder is a good little beginner gun, but is probably the extreme low-end in power. For close distance shooting, ten yards or so, it's pretty good.

That was my first one. Still have it today.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Dog

The next step up is the pump repeaters, either Daisy or Crossman. I prefer the Crossman. Good solid metal receiver, perfect for a scope.

The Crossman was my second BB gun. It was a ten pump air rifle that shot BBs or pellets. We even had a scope. My granfather used to shoot crows in the corn patch.

Big Dog · 05-24-2005, 09:25 AM

The Red Ryder is a lever-action, and what limits it's power is it's strictly a 'one-pump' type of action. Dad and I got ours the first year Wally Mart was selling them in the "Millenium" model, or some such thing. I like the low power to get the cats to scoot without hurting them - at about thirty or more yards, it's like throwing the BB, have to aim way high too.
At close distance, it'll still kill small critters.
At your target distance, it should be great. As a kid, we were shooting the tops off glass coke bottles with them! Shooting at maybe twenty feet or so, they have enough power to break thick glass. Accuracy in any smooth barreled gun is so-so. But it can be great fun! Just be careful, as steel BB's ricochet like mad! Far more so than lead pellets.
Many BB guns can shoot the lead pellets, but a good pellet gun can not shoot BB's - it would wear out the rifling at best.

They sure don't make the Red Ryder like they did when I was a scamp though. Lots of plastic nowadays . . .

ducktapehero · 05-24-2005, 11:00 AM

Another vote for a Daisy lever action rifle, I'd go with this one. I'm pretty sure it's smaller than a Red Ryder.

http://www.daisy.com/shopping/custom...cat=249&page=1

inuyasha · 05-24-2005, 04:29 PM

id check around if you can find one with a metal reciever... as big dog said its mostly plastic now.. i have some kind of daisy model that works GREAT because its metal, not sure if something jammed the overflow part or what because it could take 30 pumps without letting some out.. would go in about 1/2 inch - 3/4 inches for 2x4 from about 30 feet (my poor garage wall >.>) but my cousin just got one recently -- exact same model, but it was plastic.. i guess mine must be an antique or something.. unfortunately i had a bb jam en route to the reciever so i took it apart and fixed it... now it takes 3 pumps like it was built for :s

*edit* i just thought of it but i guess that could be a little strong for a beginner with lousy aim... 'cause remember "youll put your eye out"

gunssb · 05-24-2005, 04:39 PM

not a long airgun but I'd like to get that PPK replica BB gun just like GUNRUNNER got to plink around in the apartment :nod:

catalyst · 05-24-2005, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ducktapehero

Another vote for a Daisy lever action rifle, I'd go with this one. I'm pretty sure it's smaller than a Red Ryder.

http://www.daisy.com/shopping/custom...cat=249&page=1

Thing is, im not 10, im 15. I'm about 5' 9"-10", and i was thinking about whether the red ryder is a little too small for me.

Big Dog · 05-24-2005, 08:18 PM

Well, it is small, intended more for kids. But, I'm 6'4", and about 300 pounds - I have no problem shooting it. It's not nearly as small as the Cricket .22 rifle!

phrogg · 06-07-2005, 01:41 AM

...I'm in the same type of predicament, with about the same amount of money. I'm looking into the Crosman 1377c. It's a pump pistol, so yes, you have to pump it ten times, and yes, it's a bolt action single shot pellet gun... But it shoots about 500 FPS with pellets, and it's really accurate, or so I've heard. It's a $50 gun, and you can buy a stock for an extra $15 plus $10 shipping from online.

I'm hopefully going to pick up the 1377c from my local Big 5 sporting goods sometime within the next week. I looked into the guns at Wal-Mart, and the 1000 fps rifles just didn't seem like they'd go without killing something in my back yard, while the pump rifles they have just looked... cheap. I'm sure the pump rifles would last for a long time, though, but they're not my style.

I also looked into the Walther somethinorother 2000. It looks like a P99 with a compensator, but you pull the hammer back, swing the barrel/slide up, load a pellet, then push down to cock the gun. It's $40 at Wal-Mullet, but I read the reviews, and I guess a pump rifle would be a better bet than that thing.

I'm gonna pick up my 1377c, anyway. Be sure to check out www.reviewcentre.com . If you find something you like, search for it. People have written all about most guns out there.

05-23-2005, 05:20 PM	#1
catalyst Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 5	good beginners bb gun? I was wondering about what bb gun would be a good starter one. I dont want any type of Co2 one, just a plain pump or spring loaded bb gun. I was thinking about getting the daisy "red ryder" bb gun. Is that a good gun? or how about the model 840 gun? My price range is about 50 or so. I do have some basic knowloedge with guns, though mostly pistols. I own a few airsoft guns, an M1911A1, M92F, and a G23. also, i was wondering if there are any pump/spring loaded bolt action bb guns?. Only one's i've found are co2.

05-23-2005, 06:21 PM	#3
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,214	The Red Ryder is a good little beginner gun, but is probably the extreme low-end in power. For close distance shooting, ten yards or so, it's pretty good. For a kid, it's a great way to start. I got mine just for the nostalgia, and some 'cat-scat' duty in the backyard. Or maybe I'm just a 48-year-old kid at heart. The next step up is the pump repeaters, either Daisy or Crossman. I prefer the Crossman. Good solid metal receiver, perfect for a scope. Any BB gun will be range-limited though. If you want accuracy and fair distance, the rifled pellet rifles are a better deal. They are mroe expensive though. There are bolt-action pellet rifles, marketed by the big name rifle companies, but they tend to be more expensive too. I know of no bolt-action BB guns. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables. Last edited by Big Dog; 05-23-2005 at 06:25 PM.

05-23-2005, 06:52 PM	#6
BamaBowTie Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Alexandria, AL Posts: 226 Images: 1	Repeater usually just means it holds more that one round. There is no difference between pneumatic(pump, spring, etc...) and co2, other than the co2 guns usually have higher velocity. I would suggest the Crossman or Marksman pump, they are cheap and have a good range for the price, both will use bb's, pellets, darts, or bolts. Start with one of those and if you like it step up to a Benjamin later. Well, that's just my 2 cents. __________________ "They call you paranoid until the worst happens, and in the aftermath they call you a hero." -Me

05-24-2005, 09:25 AM	#9
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,214	The Red Ryder is a lever-action, and what limits it's power is it's strictly a 'one-pump' type of action. Dad and I got ours the first year Wally Mart was selling them in the "Millenium" model, or some such thing. I like the low power to get the cats to scoot without hurting them - at about thirty or more yards, it's like throwing the BB, have to aim way high too. At close distance, it'll still kill small critters. At your target distance, it should be great. As a kid, we were shooting the tops off glass coke bottles with them! Shooting at maybe twenty feet or so, they have enough power to break thick glass. Accuracy in any smooth barreled gun is so-so. But it can be great fun! Just be careful, as steel BB's ricochet like mad! Far more so than lead pellets. Many BB guns can shoot the lead pellets, but a good pellet gun can not shoot BB's - it would wear out the rifling at best. They sure don't make the Red Ryder like they did when I was a scamp though. Lots of plastic nowadays . . . __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

05-24-2005, 11:00 AM	#10
ducktapehero Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Southern Missouri Posts: 319	Another vote for a Daisy lever action rifle, I'd go with this one. I'm pretty sure it's smaller than a Red Ryder. http://www.daisy.com/shopping/custom...cat=249&page=1 __________________ Is it Duck or Duct Tape? http://www.octanecreative.com/ducttape/duckvsduct.html "Me fail English? That's unpossible!!"----Ralph Wiggum

05-23-2005, 06:02 PM	#2
DANA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: WAITSFIELD VERMONT Posts: 1,595	Benjaman made bolt action pump air rifles DANA

05-23-2005, 06:30 PM	#4
catalyst Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 5	I just want a gun for target shooting in my backyard, which is probably 50 feet or so. For power, i just want the bb to be able to penetrate, or at least knock down an empty can from 50 feet or so. Also, is what does a repeater mean? And are bb guns different from co2 guns? I just thought they all shot .177 bb's or something like that.

05-23-2005, 07:39 PM	#7
catalyst Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 5	I was just planning on getting somtehing like a pneumatic crosman or daisy bb gun. I was leaning towards the red ryder, as its like 30 bucks or so, and it doesnt have to be pumped, or at least i didnt think so. Something cheap and easy to find over at like a big 5 or something is basically what im looking for, good enough for some backyard shooting. :uzi:

05-24-2005, 04:29 PM	#11
inuyasha Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: US occupied territories of "south dakota" Posts: 355	id check around if you can find one with a metal reciever... as big dog said its mostly plastic now.. i have some kind of daisy model that works GREAT because its metal, not sure if something jammed the overflow part or what because it could take 30 pumps without letting some out.. would go in about 1/2 inch - 3/4 inches for 2x4 from about 30 feet (my poor garage wall >.>) but my cousin just got one recently -- exact same model, but it was plastic.. i guess mine must be an antique or something.. unfortunately i had a bb jam en route to the reciever so i took it apart and fixed it... now it takes 3 pumps like it was built for :s edit i just thought of it but i guess that could be a little strong for a beginner with lousy aim... 'cause remember "youll put your eye out" Last edited by inuyasha; 05-24-2005 at 04:31 PM.

05-24-2005, 04:39 PM	#12
gunssb Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: socal Posts: 1,833	not a long airgun but I'd like to get that PPK replica BB gun just like GUNRUNNER got to plink around in the apartment :nod:

05-24-2005, 08:18 PM	#14
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,214	Well, it is small, intended more for kids. But, I'm 6'4", and about 300 pounds - I have no problem shooting it. It's not nearly as small as the Cricket .22 rifle! __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

06-07-2005, 01:41 AM	#15
phrogg Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 107	Ahh. ...I'm in the same type of predicament, with about the same amount of money. I'm looking into the Crosman 1377c. It's a pump pistol, so yes, you have to pump it ten times, and yes, it's a bolt action single shot pellet gun... But it shoots about 500 FPS with pellets, and it's really accurate, or so I've heard. It's a $50 gun, and you can buy a stock for an extra $15 plus $10 shipping from online. I'm hopefully going to pick up the 1377c from my local Big 5 sporting goods sometime within the next week. I looked into the guns at Wal-Mart, and the 1000 fps rifles just didn't seem like they'd go without killing something in my back yard, while the pump rifles they have just looked... cheap. I'm sure the pump rifles would last for a long time, though, but they're not my style. I also looked into the Walther somethinorother 2000. It looks like a P99 with a compensator, but you pull the hammer back, swing the barrel/slide up, load a pellet, then push down to cock the gun. It's $40 at Wal-Mullet, but I read the reviews, and I guess a pump rifle would be a better bet than that thing. I'm gonna pick up my 1377c, anyway. Be sure to check out www.reviewcentre.com . If you find something you like, search for it. People have written all about most guns out there.