Teen gives judge attitude; judge gives teen jail time

Doglips · 07-20-2005, 11:32 AM

here is a clasic example of how too talk yourself INTO jail

"You're getting real close to contempt now," Owens warned.
"Well you all are getting real close to pissin' me off," the witness replied.

Posted on Wed, Jul. 20, 2005

Teen gives judge attitude; judge gives teen jail time

The witness in an attempted murder case is cited for contempt after refusing to cooperate.

BY RON SYLVESTER

The Wichita Eagle

A teenager with a bad attitude was slapped with a contempt of court citation, then subdued by deputies when he tried to fight his way out of Sedgwick County District Court on Tuesday.

In roughly 15 years on the bench, Judge Clark Owens had never found anyone in contempt before, let alone had to order a witness dragged from his courtroom.

But when an obstinate teenager refused to answer a prosecutor's questions in a preliminary hearing for attempted murder, Owens cited the 16-year-old boy for contempt.

The witness then tried to leave the courtroom and fought with Sedgwick County sheriff's deputies.

They threw the teen face-down on the table in front of the defendant, James D. Williams. As the boy's mother shouted from the gallery, guards handcuffed the teen and dragged him from court.

Williams is charged with attempted murder in the shooting of two men during an argument over a woman.

Carlos Bell, 24, lost his right leg from the knee down because of the wounds he suffered on April 4. A bullet passed through his left leg and pierced his right. Lemmie Alford, 17, was shot in the back, the bullet piercing his abdomen.

Bell said they were trying to walk away from an altercation in front of a house in the 2300 block of East Shadybrook Lane, near 19th and Grove.

During Friday's preliminary hearing, Bell pointed to Williams, 21, as the man who shot him. Williams, who pleaded not guilty Tuesday, told police that someone came up behind a group of them and began firing.

During the investigation, the 16-year-old witness had told police he was among five males that had driven over to the house on Shadybrook.

The girlfriend of one of the men had been called an offensive name. The carload of boys and men sought to confront the name-callers.

On the stand Tuesday, the teenager denied even talking to police, when asked about the recorded interview by assistant district attorney Barry Disney.

Disney, who specializes in prosecuting gang members, had seen it before. Witnesses sometimes give detailed descriptions of violent and deadly acts to police, then develop sudden amnesia when called into court.

The teen answered "nope" faster than Disney could ask questions.

"Let him ask the question before you answer," Owens told the witness.

"It's 'nope,' " the witness said.

"Are you going to answer no to all my questions?" Disney asked.

"I don't know. Keep asking."

"You're getting real close to contempt now," Owens warned.

"Well you all are getting real close to pissin' me off," the witness replied.

That was enough. Owens ordered the boy to serve 30 days in juvenile detention.

Later in the day, another witness, Rodney Smith, took the stand in the hearing and began asking Disney questions.

"You're not answering my questions," Smith said.

"I ask the questions. I don't answer yours," Disney said.

"Do you want to be led out of here in handcuffs?" Owens asked.

Smith settled down, naming who went with him to Shadybrook, except for Williams.

A month after the shooting, during an interview with Detective Daniel Harty, Williams said he was in the car that went to Shadybrook.

Owens set Williams' trial for September.
Reach Ron Sylvester at 268-6514 or rsylvester@wichitaeagle.com.

lefty o · 07-20-2005, 11:58 AM

id of given him at least 45 days to think about his piss poor attitude.

Stopper · 07-20-2005, 02:32 PM

Wichita is a sh*thole.

.22guy · 07-20-2005, 02:54 PM

What a little jerk.... He'll be in the defendants chair himself before you know it.

Gunnie Ed · 07-20-2005, 03:05 PM

that's a textbook example of why we need corporal punishment.

i can say with all certainty that all those buggers need is to be shown who's boss.

remember back in ther day, when you insulted a police officer he'd likely introduce you to his sap? yeah.

ruger22com · 07-20-2005, 03:40 PM

SHould have had the court officer hold him down and give his a good old fashioned butt spanking. They locked him up UNDER the jail!

hounddawg · 07-21-2005, 02:58 AM

One again! I guess he sure showed that judge

I would have given him a year-and-a-day for felony stupid, was I the judge.

dhermesc · 07-21-2005, 07:11 AM

I'm with Stopper, Wichita is a sheethole.

Dennis · 07-23-2005, 07:06 AM

This is an exellent example of a person that has never experienced physical correction.
The Whole Attitude of 'Ill do what I want"
led this young man to disaster.
Parents HAVE to be Parents.
I cant say I am a great parent But I was raised by a coupla of them.
Adults now dont have the Legal ability to correct an unruly youth.
So Dont be suprised that since the legal system has forced everyone to spare the rod the children have spoiled.
and Now it is the "Legal system" that must now take the responsibility to teach these young people.

I think it is a poor choice.

The Decline of Western civilization began when they outlawed the fist fight.
(and the belt whoopin for bad kids)

Oxford · 07-23-2005, 08:43 PM

Wichita is a fine city...but the gangs there, as they are everywhere, are bad news. :nod:

Stopper · 07-25-2005, 09:59 AM

Ox, you never have a bad word for anyone or anything. I should have said, "we go to Topeka to do our shopping, (for obvious reasons)."

07-20-2005, 11:32 AM	#1
Doglips Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Cocoa Florida Posts: 9,090 Trader Rating: (0)	Teen gives judge attitude; judge gives teen jail time here is a clasic example of how too talk yourself INTO jail "You're getting real close to contempt now," Owens warned. "Well you all are getting real close to pissin' me off," the witness replied. Posted on Wed, Jul. 20, 2005 Teen gives judge attitude; judge gives teen jail time The witness in an attempted murder case is cited for contempt after refusing to cooperate. BY RON SYLVESTER The Wichita Eagle A teenager with a bad attitude was slapped with a contempt of court citation, then subdued by deputies when he tried to fight his way out of Sedgwick County District Court on Tuesday. In roughly 15 years on the bench, Judge Clark Owens had never found anyone in contempt before, let alone had to order a witness dragged from his courtroom. But when an obstinate teenager refused to answer a prosecutor's questions in a preliminary hearing for attempted murder, Owens cited the 16-year-old boy for contempt. The witness then tried to leave the courtroom and fought with Sedgwick County sheriff's deputies. They threw the teen face-down on the table in front of the defendant, James D. Williams. As the boy's mother shouted from the gallery, guards handcuffed the teen and dragged him from court. Williams is charged with attempted murder in the shooting of two men during an argument over a woman. Carlos Bell, 24, lost his right leg from the knee down because of the wounds he suffered on April 4. A bullet passed through his left leg and pierced his right. Lemmie Alford, 17, was shot in the back, the bullet piercing his abdomen. Bell said they were trying to walk away from an altercation in front of a house in the 2300 block of East Shadybrook Lane, near 19th and Grove. During Friday's preliminary hearing, Bell pointed to Williams, 21, as the man who shot him. Williams, who pleaded not guilty Tuesday, told police that someone came up behind a group of them and began firing. During the investigation, the 16-year-old witness had told police he was among five males that had driven over to the house on Shadybrook. The girlfriend of one of the men had been called an offensive name. The carload of boys and men sought to confront the name-callers. On the stand Tuesday, the teenager denied even talking to police, when asked about the recorded interview by assistant district attorney Barry Disney. Disney, who specializes in prosecuting gang members, had seen it before. Witnesses sometimes give detailed descriptions of violent and deadly acts to police, then develop sudden amnesia when called into court. The teen answered "nope" faster than Disney could ask questions. "Let him ask the question before you answer," Owens told the witness. "It's 'nope,' " the witness said. "Are you going to answer no to all my questions?" Disney asked. "I don't know. Keep asking." "You're getting real close to contempt now," Owens warned. "Well you all are getting real close to pissin' me off," the witness replied. That was enough. Owens ordered the boy to serve 30 days in juvenile detention. Later in the day, another witness, Rodney Smith, took the stand in the hearing and began asking Disney questions. "You're not answering my questions," Smith said. "I ask the questions. I don't answer yours," Disney said. "Do you want to be led out of here in handcuffs?" Owens asked. Smith settled down, naming who went with him to Shadybrook, except for Williams. A month after the shooting, during an interview with Detective Daniel Harty, Williams said he was in the car that went to Shadybrook. Owens set Williams' trial for September. Reach Ron Sylvester at 268-6514 or rsylvester@wichitaeagle.com.

07-20-2005, 02:32 PM	#3
Stopper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansass Posts: 2,210 Trader Rating: (0)	Wichita is a sh*thole. __________________ They should have stopped at "Congress shall make no law"

07-20-2005, 03:05 PM	#5
Gunnie Ed Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: three clicks left of center. Posts: 808 Trader Rating: (0)	that's a textbook example of why we need corporal punishment. i can say with all certainty that all those buggers need is to be shown who's boss. remember back in ther day, when you insulted a police officer he'd likely introduce you to his sap? yeah. __________________ http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y95.../warinmine.gif

07-20-2005, 03:40 PM	#6
ruger22com Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mobile Alabama Posts: 723 Trader Rating: (0)	SHould have had the court officer hold him down and give his a good old fashioned butt spanking. They locked him up UNDER the jail! __________________ www.CheapGunParts.com http://ruger22.com/art/banners/tiny.gif Home of the "YELLOW JACKET" Bolt Buffer and Takedown Bolts! Free Shipping & Lifetime Warranty!

07-21-2005, 02:58 AM	#7
hounddawg Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: South of Nasty-vile, Tennessee Posts: 535 Trader Rating: (0)	One again! I guess he sure showed that judge I would have given him a year-and-a-day for felony stupid, was I the judge. __________________ http://images.animationfactory.com/a...ing_md_clr.gif If the people be of sound mind, laws are unneccesary. If the people be not of sound mind, laws are useless. --Plato

07-20-2005, 11:58 AM	#2
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,695 Trader Rating: (0)	id of given him at least 45 days to think about his piss poor attitude.

07-20-2005, 02:54 PM	#4
.22guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,071 Trader Rating: (0)	What a little jerk.... He'll be in the defendants chair himself before you know it.

07-21-2005, 07:11 AM	#8
dhermesc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: East Central Kansas Posts: 1,763 Trader Rating: (0)	I'm with Stopper, Wichita is a sheethole. __________________ Liberty is for those that claim it.

07-23-2005, 07:06 AM	#9
Dennis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,876 Trader Rating: (0)	This is an exellent example of a person that has never experienced physical correction. The Whole Attitude of 'Ill do what I want" led this young man to disaster. Parents HAVE to be Parents. I cant say I am a great parent But I was raised by a coupla of them. Adults now dont have the Legal ability to correct an unruly youth. So Dont be suprised that since the legal system has forced everyone to spare the rod the children have spoiled. and Now it is the "Legal system" that must now take the responsibility to teach these young people. I think it is a poor choice. The Decline of Western civilization began when they outlawed the fist fight. (and the belt whoopin for bad kids) __________________ Submitted with respect to all

07-23-2005, 08:43 PM	#10
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 12,987 Trader Rating: (0)	Wichita is a fine city...but the gangs there, as they are everywhere, are bad news. :nod: __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

07-25-2005, 09:59 AM	#11
Stopper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansass Posts: 2,210 Trader Rating: (0)	Ox, you never have a bad word for anyone or anything. I should have said, "we go to Topeka to do our shopping, (for obvious reasons)." __________________ They should have stopped at "Congress shall make no law"