What to do if shot at?

BattleRifleG3 · 10-03-2005, 09:53 PM

We know they're out there. Idiot hunters who seem to forget that rule about positively identifying your target. Question is, what is one to do if he finds himself shot at?

"Stop! Don't shoot!" seems to make perfect sense. But what if they can't year your voice? The thought that crossed my mind, that I'd like the experienced folks opinions on, is to shoot into the ground. Or would that do more harm than good?

"I thought you was a deer." just doesn't cut it for any sympathy from me. If anyone shoots at me or anyone I know, I'm making sure they don't hunt for a long time.

lefty o · 10-03-2005, 10:24 PM

just become part of the dirt. if you can see another person while you are hunting, you absolutely have to consider them a threat to your life- there is a lot of idiots out there, and dont trust any of them.

NorCalAshnjikov · 10-03-2005, 10:42 PM

someone is running at you with a sword,
is he attacking you or someone down the block?

self-defense is self-defense, regardless of the intent of the attacker
although if he mistook you for a deer and missed, I don't think you'd have to shoot him to defend yourself

Outriderdark · 10-03-2005, 11:51 PM

I think a return shot intentionally missed would serve to inform the neanderthal hunting in your woods that you are not a deer. (Jesus why are these people in the woods)Where I live (NJ) this is an actual consideration (please God let me move to another state where people don't shoot at noises). I think the best response would be a shot well off target (like in a tree stump 50 yards to the left) if they were not reponding to voice. If they are not reponding to a voice in the woods, they are probably confusing it with a voice in thier heads. I run across people like this alot and it has more than once made me consider quitting hunting. I just keep going deeper. At some point I'll either move or give it up.

Outriderdark · 10-03-2005, 11:53 PM

Of course, If you are being shot at no matter what you do (yelling, shooting,begging) all bets are off and tell the Creator I said hello.

Troy · 10-04-2005, 01:17 AM

anyone stupid enough to be shooting at something they haven't identified, well i just might be inclined to do more than just shoot in their general direction. who knows what they might do when they find that they just shot at a person.

BattleRifleG3 · 10-04-2005, 01:24 AM

I'm assuming that these people are stupid, not malicious. I'm talking about effective tactics for making it clear to the densest and deafest of people that you are a human being and not whatever animal they're shooting at.

Troy · 10-04-2005, 01:44 AM

an already stupid person could get even more stupid when they realise the amount of crap they're gonna be in when the law comes looking for them cause they just shot at a person. i dont know what you should do. if they are already shooting at sounds, jumping up and yelling boo wouldn't be a good idea. i guess hitting the dech and eatin' dirt might be the safest thing til the bullets stop flying. throw a grenade at em and tell em you though it was a terrorist in there. LOL

BattleRifleG3 · 10-04-2005, 01:47 AM

You guys seriously think someone who found out he was accidentally shooting at a person would then shoot to kill to cover up his mistake?

Troy · 10-04-2005, 01:54 AM

not for certain, but your not seriously thinking that it could never happen do you?
poke, poke, nudge, nudge.

jerry · 10-04-2005, 03:17 AM

Did a little research, sems the anti's love the subject.

http://www.all-creatures.org/cash/accident-center.html

NorCalAshnjikov · 10-04-2005, 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerry

Did a little research, sems the anti's love the subject.

http://www.all-creatures.org/cash/accident-center.html

wow, despite the spin on the subject, that's a great collection of links
to hunting incidents -- gotta love the killer fishing incidents section

SPOCAHP ANAR · 10-04-2005, 06:26 AM

Its gonna be pretty hard to convice local law you were being shot at first and then returned fire and hit the guy. Besides, shooting back in his general direction is just as fallible as he shooting in yours since you wouldn't know if he is alone, has a child or with a party. You might hit an innocent bystander.

Carry an air horn. If he can't hear that, then he shouldn't be hunting.

Dallas · 10-04-2005, 07:18 AM

My ex's uncle has one leg two inches shorter than the other because some "hunter" mistook him for a deer in some brush.

An old office acquaintance from a previous job went hunting with his brother and newphew. They were shot at. So my buddy was soooo proud of himself because they all dropped to the ground and opened fire. Needles to say I never took him up on his offer to go hunting the next season.

Sav .250 · 10-04-2005, 07:51 AM

I wear my orange hat, orange vest just to make sure i don`t look like something to shoot at. I know you guys have been in the woods and seen the results.
People that wear orange really stand out. Point being there is no-excuse -now.
when i`m at my 'location" the orange comes but it`s kept close by just in case it`s needed.
As far as getting shot at i`m not sure what i`d do. I guess it`s easy to say," i`d blow his butt away". But then i may be sucking dirt and yelling. If on the other hand i was absolute in my thinking the "shooter" was after me then i guess you`d return fire. I sure it never comes to that.

" The best part of the hunt is not the harvest but in the experience."

jerry · 10-04-2005, 07:55 AM

Good call on the orange. I carry a security whistle as well.
I like being in a tree too. Usually I can see someone walking through the woods before they see me. I try to keep the tree stand off ridges where a shot could accidently come across. Mostly no problem with slugs and Bow though. Just have to use some common sense. Prevention of the situation is the best way to go.

dave375hh · 10-04-2005, 10:17 AM

Brg3,
It has happened to me in PA. Best advise eat the dirt behind a big tree! That's what I did but then I drew a bead on the idiot's chest and came within 1 1/2 LB of a 3 LB trigger of ruining my life and ending his. To this day I don't know how I stopped from killing that AH. I was an invited guest on private property, he was tresspassing. I MF'ed long enough and loud enough for most of the population of western PA to hear me. Then walked out got in the truck and went home. I never hunted in PA again, nor will I. I still have flashbacks of that fools Woolrich coat in my crosshairs, And It's been 20yrs now!

Mick · 10-04-2005, 03:14 PM

Yeah I reckon a big tree or a hole is the safest bet, keep down and wait till it's over, then bug out.

Outriderdark · 10-04-2005, 06:09 PM

Around here most hunting related shootings are drivers (whom I loathe, sorry), squirrel hunters hitting a camoflauge bow hunter who's sitting in a tree, shooting down a road and pegging a car, or yahoo's who lead a deer right into his partners back. I hunt alone. Period. And if I know there's squirrel hunters while I'm bow hunting, I outta there.
I still think shots fired, even into the ground would get even the deafest ol' hunter's attention. As idiotic as they may be, they probably know deer don't carry guns (them squirrels, though. I don't trust 'em. I better be able to see all four paws. The beady little eyes......)

BattleRifleG3 · 10-04-2005, 06:13 PM

Tree would have to be darn big if he was using an '06 or similar power round. Then again maybe that would only be with FMJ.

Air horn sounds like a good idea. Only thing is some idiots might mistake it for an animal noise. That's why I thought of taking a shot in a safe direction - ie ground. Deer don't carry guns last I checked.

10-03-2005, 09:53 PM	#1
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Trader Rating: (0)	What to do if shot at? We know they're out there. Idiot hunters who seem to forget that rule about positively identifying your target. Question is, what is one to do if he finds himself shot at? "Stop! Don't shoot!" seems to make perfect sense. But what if they can't year your voice? The thought that crossed my mind, that I'd like the experienced folks opinions on, is to shoot into the ground. Or would that do more harm than good? "I thought you was a deer." just doesn't cut it for any sympathy from me. If anyone shoots at me or anyone I know, I'm making sure they don't hunt for a long time. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

10-03-2005, 11:51 PM	#4
Outriderdark Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 1,125 Trader Rating: (0)	I think a return shot intentionally missed would serve to inform the neanderthal hunting in your woods that you are not a deer. (Jesus why are these people in the woods)Where I live (NJ) this is an actual consideration (please God let me move to another state where people don't shoot at noises). I think the best response would be a shot well off target (like in a tree stump 50 yards to the left) if they were not reponding to voice. If they are not reponding to a voice in the woods, they are probably confusing it with a voice in thier heads. I run across people like this alot and it has more than once made me consider quitting hunting. I just keep going deeper. At some point I'll either move or give it up. __________________ "Would it make you feel better, little girl, if they was thrown outta windows?"-Archie Bunker

10-03-2005, 11:53 PM	#5
Outriderdark Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 1,125 Trader Rating: (0)	Of course, If you are being shot at no matter what you do (yelling, shooting,begging) all bets are off and tell the Creator I said hello. __________________ "Would it make you feel better, little girl, if they was thrown outta windows?"-Archie Bunker

10-04-2005, 01:24 AM	#7
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Trader Rating: (0)	I'm assuming that these people are stupid, not malicious. I'm talking about effective tactics for making it clear to the densest and deafest of people that you are a human being and not whatever animal they're shooting at. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

10-04-2005, 01:47 AM	#9
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Trader Rating: (0)	You guys seriously think someone who found out he was accidentally shooting at a person would then shoot to kill to cover up his mistake? __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

10-03-2005, 10:24 PM	#2
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,691 Trader Rating: (0)	just become part of the dirt. if you can see another person while you are hunting, you absolutely have to consider them a threat to your life- there is a lot of idiots out there, and dont trust any of them.

10-03-2005, 10:42 PM	#3
NorCalAshnjikov Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 688 Trader Rating: (0)	someone is running at you with a sword, is he attacking you or someone down the block? self-defense is self-defense, regardless of the intent of the attacker although if he mistook you for a deer and missed, I don't think you'd have to shoot him to defend yourself

10-04-2005, 01:17 AM	#6
Troy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Manitoba Canada Posts: 2,502 Trader Rating: (0)	anyone stupid enough to be shooting at something they haven't identified, well i just might be inclined to do more than just shoot in their general direction. who knows what they might do when they find that they just shot at a person.

10-04-2005, 01:44 AM	#8
Troy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Manitoba Canada Posts: 2,502 Trader Rating: (0)	an already stupid person could get even more stupid when they realise the amount of crap they're gonna be in when the law comes looking for them cause they just shot at a person. i dont know what you should do. if they are already shooting at sounds, jumping up and yelling boo wouldn't be a good idea. i guess hitting the dech and eatin' dirt might be the safest thing til the bullets stop flying. throw a grenade at em and tell em you though it was a terrorist in there. LOL

10-04-2005, 01:54 AM	#10
Troy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Manitoba Canada Posts: 2,502 Trader Rating: (0)	not for certain, but your not seriously thinking that it could never happen do you? poke, poke, nudge, nudge.

10-04-2005, 03:17 AM	#11
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 10,760 Trader Rating: (0)	Did a little research, sems the anti's love the subject. http://www.all-creatures.org/cash/accident-center.html __________________

10-04-2005, 06:26 AM	#13
SPOCAHP ANAR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: SC-upstate Posts: 4,023 Trader Rating: (0)	Its gonna be pretty hard to convice local law you were being shot at first and then returned fire and hit the guy. Besides, shooting back in his general direction is just as fallible as he shooting in yours since you wouldn't know if he is alone, has a child or with a party. You might hit an innocent bystander. Carry an air horn. If he can't hear that, then he shouldn't be hunting. __________________ Spocrest Out!..........

10-04-2005, 07:18 AM	#14
Dallas PUKHA DAWG Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Virginia, just outside of Washington D.C. Posts: 3,591 Trader Rating: (0)	My ex's uncle has one leg two inches shorter than the other because some "hunter" mistook him for a deer in some brush. An old office acquaintance from a previous job went hunting with his brother and newphew. They were shot at. So my buddy was soooo proud of himself because they all dropped to the ground and opened fire. Needles to say I never took him up on his offer to go hunting the next season.

10-04-2005, 07:51 AM	#15
Sav .250 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Central Fla. Posts: 174 Trader Rating: (0)	I wear my orange hat, orange vest just to make sure i don`t look like something to shoot at. I know you guys have been in the woods and seen the results. People that wear orange really stand out. Point being there is no-excuse -now. when i`m at my 'location" the orange comes but it`s kept close by just in case it`s needed. As far as getting shot at i`m not sure what i`d do. I guess it`s easy to say," i`d blow his butt away". But then i may be sucking dirt and yelling. If on the other hand i was absolute in my thinking the "shooter" was after me then i guess you`d return fire. I sure it never comes to that. " The best part of the hunt is not the harvest but in the experience."

10-04-2005, 07:55 AM	#16
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 10,760 Trader Rating: (0)	Good call on the orange. I carry a security whistle as well. I like being in a tree too. Usually I can see someone walking through the woods before they see me. I try to keep the tree stand off ridges where a shot could accidently come across. Mostly no problem with slugs and Bow though. Just have to use some common sense. Prevention of the situation is the best way to go. __________________

10-04-2005, 10:17 AM	#17
dave375hh Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 587 Trader Rating: (0)	Brg3, It has happened to me in PA. Best advise eat the dirt behind a big tree! That's what I did but then I drew a bead on the idiot's chest and came within 1 1/2 LB of a 3 LB trigger of ruining my life and ending his. To this day I don't know how I stopped from killing that AH. I was an invited guest on private property, he was tresspassing. I MF'ed long enough and loud enough for most of the population of western PA to hear me. Then walked out got in the truck and went home. I never hunted in PA again, nor will I. I still have flashbacks of that fools Woolrich coat in my crosshairs, And It's been 20yrs now! __________________ Dave 375 H&H

10-04-2005, 03:14 PM	#18
Mick Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Emerald CQLD AUST Posts: 977 Trader Rating: (0)	Yeah I reckon a big tree or a hole is the safest bet, keep down and wait till it's over, then bug out. __________________ OzHunter Give me a six-pack and a red dirt open road (Adam Brand)

10-04-2005, 06:09 PM	#19
Outriderdark Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 1,125 Trader Rating: (0)	Around here most hunting related shootings are drivers (whom I loathe, sorry), squirrel hunters hitting a camoflauge bow hunter who's sitting in a tree, shooting down a road and pegging a car, or yahoo's who lead a deer right into his partners back. I hunt alone. Period. And if I know there's squirrel hunters while I'm bow hunting, I outta there. I still think shots fired, even into the ground would get even the deafest ol' hunter's attention. As idiotic as they may be, they probably know deer don't carry guns (them squirrels, though. I don't trust 'em. I better be able to see all four paws. The beady little eyes......) __________________ "Would it make you feel better, little girl, if they was thrown outta windows?"-Archie Bunker

10-04-2005, 06:13 PM	#20
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Trader Rating: (0)	Tree would have to be darn big if he was using an '06 or similar power round. Then again maybe that would only be with FMJ. Air horn sounds like a good idea. Only thing is some idiots might mistake it for an animal noise. That's why I thought of taking a shot in a safe direction - ie ground. Deer don't carry guns last I checked. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf