MOA for 8mm

gunssb · 11-18-2005, 12:06 AM

Hello milsurplus'ers,

in your experience which mil surplus 8mm is capable of achieving MOA accuracy without any modifications (with any ammo, handloads or surplus) ? Or were they all built to be only battle accurate and magic can only happen with a 6.5 swede or 7.5 swiss ?

If you did achieve good results with handloads, can you kindly share your loads.

Thanks

REM.303 · 11-18-2005, 12:58 AM

Gun, I have shot all kinds/country's ammo in my 98K, I have found that it will drive tacks with any. Some of the best looking stuff was 1938 Greek and 1939 Yugo. The best deal for the price was the 1942/43/46/47 Turk.($4.75 a 70 rnd bandoleer...shoots great, but splits some necks, clean up is easy). I guess what I am trying to say is, the ammo is only as good as the rifle, you get a good one, it will do the job with any ammo.

gunssb · 11-18-2005, 01:25 AM

Thanks for the reply...I guess I have to find the right one since they vary so much in condition and manufacture. What code/year is your K98 ? Also funny that K98s are supposed to be more accurate than say the Turks even with a much shorter barrel.

myarmor · 11-18-2005, 01:44 AM

He's right about the Turk ammo. It's pretty good stuff, though many speculate if it's loaded too hot and creates too high of pressures. Like was mentioned with split necks sometimes often happening. Take one apart and you can see, they didn't leave any room between the powder and the seated bullet.
It's hot but man can it fly.

gunssb · 11-18-2005, 01:46 AM

yup - I've shot some of the Turk stuff. Face got battered after a while! But I was referring to the Turk mausers...with that long of a barrel they don't seem to be too accurate without any modifications. Wonder what the twist for the K98s vs others is.

myarmor · 11-18-2005, 01:52 AM

I don't know, I haven't shot many Turks only 2. Mine and a friends. His makes for some excellent accracy-first deer shot with it was open sighted at 300yards. Filled his freezer. While mine shoots about 4 feet high at 100 yards

But still hits POA-low aim...lol.
Good point about the Rate of twist, I would like to know that myself. Never looked it up.

Big Dog · 11-18-2005, 04:26 AM

My best Mauser shooting is with my old 1934-dated Turk Model 1903 (it has the looonnnggg barrel!). I have done a few groups just under an inch at 50 yards, using the Turk ammo. I find the rifle generally does best with the ammo of the same nation. Otherwise, differences in the power of the cartridge will mean the sights aren't regulated for it. Hence, my Yugo shooting very high with the hotter Turk ammo!
I haven't tried the Mausers for real accuracy at 100 yards open sighted - my old eyes are the limiting factor, not the rifle!

But they'll lay waste to a horde of charging 2-litre soda jugs!

Dale · 11-18-2005, 07:32 AM

My M48A shoots superbly.

Whether it could shoot MOA is anyone's guess but I'd say yes.

For me, however, my eyes are not as good as they used to be with open sights so I can't quite achieve it.

Regardless mine shoots very well...it's just that I don't. LOL

Gyrene · 11-18-2005, 08:58 AM

gunssb - If you want to know the twist rate of any barrel, do the following:

Take a cleaning rod put a linear mark along one side, put two marks circumferentially around the cleaning rod, one foot apart as reference points.

Then put a patch that fits tightly in the bore into the eye of the cleaning rod. After inserting the cleaning rod to the first mark, into the bore, Push the cleaning rod into the bore, until it moves the measured 1 foot between marks, count the number of times the linear mark comes up, and you have the actual twist rate.

In some cases, I have found barrels stated/marked as 1 in 10 are really 1 in 12. I have also found barrels marked 1 in 9 really 1 in 8 1/2. Usually only match grade barrels are right on, though some low value milsurps will be almost exactly the same as stated. It is totally dependent upon the machine that cut the riflings, and the operator running it.

`

gunssb · 11-18-2005, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gyrene

gunssb - If you want to know the twist rate of any barrel, do the following:

Take a cleaning rod put a linear mark along one side, put two marks circumferentially around the cleaning rod, one foot apart as reference points.

Then put a patch that fits tightly in the bore into the eye of the cleaning rod. After inserting the cleaning rod to the first mark, into the bore, Push the cleaning rod into the bore, until it moves the measured 1 foot between marks, count the number of times the linear mark comes up, and you have the actual twist rate.

Got it! thanks Gyrene, I'll try it this weekend

REM.303 · 11-19-2005, 01:19 AM

Gunssb, unfortunatly mine is a Yugo re-crest, so I cannot figure out what the orgional date code/manufacturer was. But when they did the deed they missed 3 "eagles" If any one can tell me how to find out what the orgional date code was I would greatly appreicate it.

11-18-2005, 12:06 AM	#1
gunssb Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: socal Posts: 1,833 Trader Rating: (0)	MOA for 8mm Hello milsurplus'ers, in your experience which mil surplus 8mm is capable of achieving MOA accuracy without any modifications (with any ammo, handloads or surplus) ? Or were they all built to be only battle accurate and magic can only happen with a 6.5 swede or 7.5 swiss ? If you did achieve good results with handloads, can you kindly share your loads. Thanks

11-18-2005, 12:58 AM	#2
REM.303 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: 15 miles PAST the end of the earth Posts: 145 Trader Rating: (0)	Gun, I have shot all kinds/country's ammo in my 98K, I have found that it will drive tacks with any. Some of the best looking stuff was 1938 Greek and 1939 Yugo. The best deal for the price was the 1942/43/46/47 Turk.($4.75 a 70 rnd bandoleer...shoots great, but splits some necks, clean up is easy). I guess what I am trying to say is, the ammo is only as good as the rifle, you get a good one, it will do the job with any ammo. __________________ Remember, the easy path IS ALWAYS Mined...

11-18-2005, 04:26 AM	#7
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,071 Trader Rating: (0)	My best Mauser shooting is with my old 1934-dated Turk Model 1903 (it has the looonnnggg barrel!). I have done a few groups just under an inch at 50 yards, using the Turk ammo. I find the rifle generally does best with the ammo of the same nation. Otherwise, differences in the power of the cartridge will mean the sights aren't regulated for it. Hence, my Yugo shooting very high with the hotter Turk ammo! I haven't tried the Mausers for real accuracy at 100 yards open sighted - my old eyes are the limiting factor, not the rifle! But they'll lay waste to a horde of charging 2-litre soda jugs! __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

11-18-2005, 07:32 AM	#8
Dale Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Too Dang Hot, Arizona Posts: 4,284 Trader Rating: (0)	My M48A shoots superbly. Whether it could shoot MOA is anyone's guess but I'd say yes. For me, however, my eyes are not as good as they used to be with open sights so I can't quite achieve it. Regardless mine shoots very well...it's just that I don't. LOL __________________ "It confuses me how some people can vigorously go against the 2nd. Amendment and still call themselves patriotic"-me

11-19-2005, 01:19 AM	#11
REM.303 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: 15 miles PAST the end of the earth Posts: 145 Trader Rating: (0)	Gunssb, unfortunatly mine is a Yugo re-crest, so I cannot figure out what the orgional date code/manufacturer was. But when they did the deed they missed 3 "eagles" If any one can tell me how to find out what the orgional date code was I would greatly appreicate it. __________________ Remember, the easy path IS ALWAYS Mined...

11-18-2005, 01:25 AM	#3
gunssb Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: socal Posts: 1,833 Trader Rating: (0)	Thanks for the reply...I guess I have to find the right one since they vary so much in condition and manufacture. What code/year is your K98 ? Also funny that K98s are supposed to be more accurate than say the Turks even with a much shorter barrel.

11-18-2005, 01:44 AM	#4
myarmor Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southwest ,VA Posts: 1,147 Trader Rating: (0)	He's right about the Turk ammo. It's pretty good stuff, though many speculate if it's loaded too hot and creates too high of pressures. Like was mentioned with split necks sometimes often happening. Take one apart and you can see, they didn't leave any room between the powder and the seated bullet. It's hot but man can it fly.

11-18-2005, 01:46 AM	#5
gunssb Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: socal Posts: 1,833 Trader Rating: (0)	yup - I've shot some of the Turk stuff. Face got battered after a while! But I was referring to the Turk mausers...with that long of a barrel they don't seem to be too accurate without any modifications. Wonder what the twist for the K98s vs others is.

11-18-2005, 01:52 AM	#6
myarmor Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southwest ,VA Posts: 1,147 Trader Rating: (0)	I don't know, I haven't shot many Turks only 2. Mine and a friends. His makes for some excellent accracy-first deer shot with it was open sighted at 300yards. Filled his freezer. While mine shoots about 4 feet high at 100 yards But still hits POA-low aim...lol. Good point about the Rate of twist, I would like to know that myself. Never looked it up.

11-18-2005, 08:58 AM	#9
Gyrene Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 886 Trader Rating: (0)	gunssb - If you want to know the twist rate of any barrel, do the following: Take a cleaning rod put a linear mark along one side, put two marks circumferentially around the cleaning rod, one foot apart as reference points. Then put a patch that fits tightly in the bore into the eye of the cleaning rod. After inserting the cleaning rod to the first mark, into the bore, Push the cleaning rod into the bore, until it moves the measured 1 foot between marks, count the number of times the linear mark comes up, and you have the actual twist rate. In some cases, I have found barrels stated/marked as 1 in 10 are really 1 in 12. I have also found barrels marked 1 in 9 really 1 in 8 1/2. Usually only match grade barrels are right on, though some low value milsurps will be almost exactly the same as stated. It is totally dependent upon the machine that cut the riflings, and the operator running it. `