LF: An accurate well-made NEW 22 Bolt rifle

crazyhair · 08-04-2004, 04:09 PM

Don't want to spend too much, but from what I've seen so far my dealer showed me a Savage 22 bolt in a black stock and said I should put a 3-9 scope or 4-16 on it.

What other rifles are accurate in this price point where I could throw a scope on.

Big Dog · 08-04-2004, 05:39 PM

The Marlin .22 bolt action rifles are good value, and can be quite accurate shooters!
You can get stainless actions with a nice laminated stock - add a decent scope, and you won't be disappointed. It's no Anschutz - but for the price, it can't be beat.

You can diversify too. It's easy to have a .22LR, a .22 WMR and a .17HMR - all set-up and feeling near identical.

Mine all wear the same Bushnell 4-12X40AO scope.

crazyhair · 08-04-2004, 05:46 PM

All I need is to be hitting dimes at 100 yards, 4-12x40 sounds really nice, I just hope a savage or a marlin can do that, being in that price point.

Snakebite · 08-04-2004, 07:11 PM

Savage is accurate out of the box put the trigger pull needs work.
For about the same price check out the CZ Lux or Ultra Lux. I love mine. The nice wood and machining make it look like it costs more than it does.
I shot a gazillion rounds through my old Marlin and although VERY accurate and trouble free, I think the Savage or CZ just might out shoot it. That might just be me though.
Check out the fixed 4X scopes from Nikon. Made for .22's and very nice. Not a ton of money either.

crazyhair · 08-05-2004, 12:26 AM

The CZ are about 100$ cdn more than the savage I was looking at, they are nice nice guns, but if the savage will hit dimes out of the box then I'll save my $ for a scope

whirlwind · 08-05-2004, 01:36 AM

dime size groups at 100 yards? if thats what ya want , ya better just save up for a 10/22 and save alot for the ruger custom shop too. i have a marlin model 25MN 22mag and i havent shot it with the scope i bought for it yet but with iron sights and one very fuzzy right eyeball it kept groups at about 2 inches at 100 yards. i imagine with the scope i can probably get the groups down to 1 inch consistantly.i dont really hold out for better than 1 moa and im really thankfull that i got 2 moa right outa the box! that amazed me cause most every 22 i had before was not accurate at all. the only gun i have that can shoot dime size groups at 100 yards is a 1916 C.G. swedish mauser.

crazyhair · 08-05-2004, 02:19 AM

well if I want a semi auto i'd get T/C classic , they are far more accuarte than a NIB 10/22

But yeah the savage sounds about right, anyone have any complaints with it? or anything else to check out besides the savage and CZ?

Snakebite · 08-05-2004, 03:42 PM

I didnt want to say anything about dime size groups at 100 yards with a .22. Crazyhair just might be a darn fine shooter but thats a mighty small group with a .22 at that range.
For dime size groups using a rimfire, get the .17HMR. My Savage heavy barrel in .17 caliber will put em through the same hole at 100 yards. None of my .22's come close.

crazyhair · 08-05-2004, 03:56 PM

Yeah I'm looking at that Savage 17HMR

only thing is, do I wait for the new 17mach 2?

from what I've read the 17HMR is the way to go, its more accurate and powerful.. I just hope the ammo price drops.

do the 17s get dirtier than a 22? I heard you need to clean them every 50 shots? if so thats not good, but I heard the groupings get huge if you dont keep em clean

Snakebite · 08-05-2004, 04:12 PM

Crazyhair, the Savage .17HMR is great. Light years ahead of a .22 in accuracy and power with virtually no recoil and only a slightly louder report.
The ammo prices have dropped some here since there are more manufacturers making them. They will never be as low as .22's but will probably come down a little more in the near future.
Yes, they do need to be cleaned more often. I find my accuracy drops after about 50 rounds. But what the heck...ya need to let the gun cool and take a break from shooting just long enough to run a few patches through it!
The .17 Mach 2 is still too new and havent seen one yet. I'm sure ammo will cost about as much as the HMR but for the money I would rather spend it on a proven round. You wont be disappointed in the HMR! Dime size groups at 100 is the rule...not the exception.

crazyhair · 08-05-2004, 04:20 PM

Nice

I read on RFC that the accuracy of a 17hmr stays pretty good for around 500 rounds then you gotta clean it, so it doesn't really sound too bad.

yeah the savage was the first gun I looked at and its nice, I atuomatically assumed I'd get the heavy barrel thou, the FV, assuming it helps a little for accuracy then I'll get it.

Snakebite · 08-05-2004, 09:10 PM

Ok, that settles that!

Now for the scope......

crazyhair · 08-05-2004, 11:11 PM

For a scope

I don't know, I heard people are making ground squril kills anywhere from 200 to 300 yards! they aim a foot above the squirrl and make the kill, thats insane?

What kind of scope would work from 25 yards up to around 150, and have enough zoom to hit dimes at 100 yards, and maybe try some quaters at 150 yards? 4-16x be enough, or more of a 6-24x?

and how close is a 6times good for, can you use the 6-24 times in at 30 yards?

whirlwind · 08-05-2004, 11:40 PM

:insane:

Big Dog · 08-06-2004, 04:47 AM

I'm still partial to the Marlins.
Model 25MN (.22WMR) : capable of 5/8" groups at 100 yards.
Model 17V (.17HMR) : capable of .3" groups at 100 yards.
Both of mine wear the Bushnell 4-12X40AO scope.
'Nuff said.
The Marlin .22LR guns are good too, but I don't have a newer one yet.

The Savage is okay, maybe as accurate as the Marlin - but that plastic stock is not to my liking. Too cheesy and flimsy. Real rifles wear wood!

grizzly · 08-06-2004, 08:52 AM

Quarter sized groups at 100 yds...

crazyhair · 08-06-2004, 04:13 PM

a 4-12 power scope sounds like it works for 100 yards, but what power should I go to, if I wanna do what other people are doing which is taking a rabbit at over 200 yards?

16x?

grizzly · 08-06-2004, 04:36 PM

you personally seen anyone shoot a rabbit at 200yds????

crazyhair · 08-06-2004, 05:25 PM

with the 17hmr, ive read people aiming 12 inchs above the rabbit and taking them at 300 yards,

whirlwind · 08-06-2004, 06:37 PM

i dont know what ya read that in but even a 300 remington ultra mag drops more than 12 inches at 300 yards. for long distance small game id go with a 6mm IMP. and hand loads.

08-04-2004, 04:09 PM	#1
crazyhair Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 34 Trader Rating: (0)	LF: An accurate well-made NEW 22 Bolt rifle Don't want to spend too much, but from what I've seen so far my dealer showed me a Savage 22 bolt in a black stock and said I should put a 3-9 scope or 4-16 on it. What other rifles are accurate in this price point where I could throw a scope on.

08-04-2004, 05:39 PM	#2
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,059 Trader Rating: (0)	The Marlin .22 bolt action rifles are good value, and can be quite accurate shooters! You can get stainless actions with a nice laminated stock - add a decent scope, and you won't be disappointed. It's no Anschutz - but for the price, it can't be beat. You can diversify too. It's easy to have a .22LR, a .22 WMR and a .17HMR - all set-up and feeling near identical. Mine all wear the same Bushnell 4-12X40AO scope. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

08-05-2004, 01:36 AM	#6
whirlwind Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: oklahoma Posts: 3,730 Trader Rating: (0)	dime size groups at 100 yards? if thats what ya want , ya better just save up for a 10/22 and save alot for the ruger custom shop too. i have a marlin model 25MN 22mag and i havent shot it with the scope i bought for it yet but with iron sights and one very fuzzy right eyeball it kept groups at about 2 inches at 100 yards. i imagine with the scope i can probably get the groups down to 1 inch consistantly.i dont really hold out for better than 1 moa and im really thankfull that i got 2 moa right outa the box! that amazed me cause most every 22 i had before was not accurate at all. the only gun i have that can shoot dime size groups at 100 yards is a 1916 C.G. swedish mauser. __________________ De oppresso liber !

08-05-2004, 11:40 PM	#14
whirlwind Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: oklahoma Posts: 3,730 Trader Rating: (0)	:insane: __________________ De oppresso liber !

08-06-2004, 04:47 AM	#15
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,059 Trader Rating: (0)	I'm still partial to the Marlins. Model 25MN (.22WMR) : capable of 5/8" groups at 100 yards. Model 17V (.17HMR) : capable of .3" groups at 100 yards. Both of mine wear the Bushnell 4-12X40AO scope. 'Nuff said. The Marlin .22LR guns are good too, but I don't have a newer one yet. The Savage is okay, maybe as accurate as the Marlin - but that plastic stock is not to my liking. Too cheesy and flimsy. Real rifles wear wood! __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

08-04-2004, 05:46 PM	#3
crazyhair Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 34 Trader Rating: (0)	All I need is to be hitting dimes at 100 yards, 4-12x40 sounds really nice, I just hope a savage or a marlin can do that, being in that price point.

08-04-2004, 07:11 PM	#4
Snakebite Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tucson, Mexico Posts: 1,837 Trader Rating: (0)	Savage is accurate out of the box put the trigger pull needs work. For about the same price check out the CZ Lux or Ultra Lux. I love mine. The nice wood and machining make it look like it costs more than it does. I shot a gazillion rounds through my old Marlin and although VERY accurate and trouble free, I think the Savage or CZ just might out shoot it. That might just be me though. Check out the fixed 4X scopes from Nikon. Made for .22's and very nice. Not a ton of money either.

08-05-2004, 12:26 AM	#5
crazyhair Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 34 Trader Rating: (0)	The CZ are about 100$ cdn more than the savage I was looking at, they are nice nice guns, but if the savage will hit dimes out of the box then I'll save my $ for a scope

08-05-2004, 02:19 AM	#7
crazyhair Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 34 Trader Rating: (0)	well if I want a semi auto i'd get T/C classic , they are far more accuarte than a NIB 10/22 But yeah the savage sounds about right, anyone have any complaints with it? or anything else to check out besides the savage and CZ?

08-05-2004, 03:42 PM	#8
Snakebite Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tucson, Mexico Posts: 1,837 Trader Rating: (0)	I didnt want to say anything about dime size groups at 100 yards with a .22. Crazyhair just might be a darn fine shooter but thats a mighty small group with a .22 at that range. For dime size groups using a rimfire, get the .17HMR. My Savage heavy barrel in .17 caliber will put em through the same hole at 100 yards. None of my .22's come close.

08-05-2004, 03:56 PM	#9
crazyhair Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 34 Trader Rating: (0)	Yeah I'm looking at that Savage 17HMR only thing is, do I wait for the new 17mach 2? from what I've read the 17HMR is the way to go, its more accurate and powerful.. I just hope the ammo price drops. do the 17s get dirtier than a 22? I heard you need to clean them every 50 shots? if so thats not good, but I heard the groupings get huge if you dont keep em clean

08-05-2004, 04:12 PM	#10
Snakebite Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tucson, Mexico Posts: 1,837 Trader Rating: (0)	Crazyhair, the Savage .17HMR is great. Light years ahead of a .22 in accuracy and power with virtually no recoil and only a slightly louder report. The ammo prices have dropped some here since there are more manufacturers making them. They will never be as low as .22's but will probably come down a little more in the near future. Yes, they do need to be cleaned more often. I find my accuracy drops after about 50 rounds. But what the heck...ya need to let the gun cool and take a break from shooting just long enough to run a few patches through it! The .17 Mach 2 is still too new and havent seen one yet. I'm sure ammo will cost about as much as the HMR but for the money I would rather spend it on a proven round. You wont be disappointed in the HMR! Dime size groups at 100 is the rule...not the exception.

08-05-2004, 04:20 PM	#11
crazyhair Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 34 Trader Rating: (0)	Nice I read on RFC that the accuracy of a 17hmr stays pretty good for around 500 rounds then you gotta clean it, so it doesn't really sound too bad. yeah the savage was the first gun I looked at and its nice, I atuomatically assumed I'd get the heavy barrel thou, the FV, assuming it helps a little for accuracy then I'll get it.

08-05-2004, 09:10 PM	#12
Snakebite Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tucson, Mexico Posts: 1,837 Trader Rating: (0)	Ok, that settles that! Now for the scope......

08-05-2004, 11:11 PM	#13
crazyhair Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 34 Trader Rating: (0)	For a scope I don't know, I heard people are making ground squril kills anywhere from 200 to 300 yards! they aim a foot above the squirrl and make the kill, thats insane? What kind of scope would work from 25 yards up to around 150, and have enough zoom to hit dimes at 100 yards, and maybe try some quaters at 150 yards? 4-16x be enough, or more of a 6-24x? and how close is a 6times good for, can you use the 6-24 times in at 30 yards?

08-06-2004, 08:52 AM	#16
grizzly Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: PDR of IL Posts: 653 Trader Rating: (0)	Marlin 2000 Heavy Barrel Quarter sized groups at 100 yds... __________________ When white man found this land, Indians were running it. No Taxes... No Debt... Plenty Buffalo... Plenty beaver! Women did most of the work. Medicine Man free! Indian men hunted and fished all the time! White man dumb enough to think he could improve system like that. "The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." --Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824.

08-06-2004, 04:36 PM	#18
grizzly Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: PDR of IL Posts: 653 Trader Rating: (0)	Have you personally seen anyone shoot a rabbit at 200yds???? __________________ When white man found this land, Indians were running it. No Taxes... No Debt... Plenty Buffalo... Plenty beaver! Women did most of the work. Medicine Man free! Indian men hunted and fished all the time! White man dumb enough to think he could improve system like that. "The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." --Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824.

08-06-2004, 04:13 PM	#17
crazyhair Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 34 Trader Rating: (0)	a 4-12 power scope sounds like it works for 100 yards, but what power should I go to, if I wanna do what other people are doing which is taking a rabbit at over 200 yards? 16x?

08-06-2004, 05:25 PM	#19
crazyhair Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 34 Trader Rating: (0)	with the 17hmr, ive read people aiming 12 inchs above the rabbit and taking them at 300 yards,

08-06-2004, 06:37 PM	#20
whirlwind Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: oklahoma Posts: 3,730 Trader Rating: (0)	i dont know what ya read that in but even a 300 remington ultra mag drops more than 12 inches at 300 yards. for long distance small game id go with a 6mm IMP. and hand loads. __________________ De oppresso liber !