Pheonix Arms

Thrawn · 10-20-2005, 10:11 PM

Anybody got any comments on these?
local gunsmith has had one on display for a while now, he's getting tired of looking at it and wants it gone. He's asking 180 for it brand new in the box.
I've been wanting a little autoloader to plink around with for awhile now, this one has so many safety devices it's almost cool.
It has a thumb safety, hammer block, magazine disconnect, slide won't move with safety on, magazine won't drop with safety off, halfcock, even comes with a little expandable faux shell that will lock the gun up when in the chamber.
It seems like a really well made gun, just a little over engineered with all those bells and whistles.

.22guy · 10-20-2005, 10:26 PM

I've heard they are a pain in the butt to operate. I don't have any personal experience with one though.

Thrawn · 10-20-2005, 10:27 PM

I imagine it would be, with all those gizmos. I'm mostly thinking of just plinking with it.

troylaplante · 10-20-2005, 10:34 PM

If it is the .22 model without the changeable barrel, it is a ripoff in price. Even if it was, it is still too high. I see Phoenix .22s around for $130 and less.

Thrawn · 10-20-2005, 10:39 PM

I know that the barrel is removable.

.22guy · 10-20-2005, 11:16 PM

I think that one model come with a little bit longer of a barrel along with the shorter one. It's the "Target" model or something. I have to agree that $180 seems a little high. Check out gunbroker.com for some current prices. Maybe the guy will come down in price if he is tired enough of looking at it. Good luck.

troylaplante · 10-21-2005, 07:19 AM

I have seen both barrels in a package deal for about $170, but that was certainly not the "marked down for clearance" special. That was the "we're the only ones who carry this in the area and want full retail" price.

10-22-2005, 07:22 AM

$170 is what the nickel plated Phoenix runs brand new here..I've been tempted to buy one to leave locked up in the glovebox

myarmor · 10-22-2005, 12:09 PM

These might be of interest to you:
http://www.ssaa.org.au/OFFICIALREVIE...rgetpistol.htm
While I definately woouldn't compare it to the other models they did, I do like the little thing. I believe straight up price for a FFL dealer was $120 or 150 last I checked. But I would pay a little more. I have shot the small version, and you better have your plugs with you or else your head's goin'a be ringing.

Gun Magazine Best Buy Handguns -Annaul 2001
Phoenix Arms HP-22

This looks like a cheap little junk gun. Don't be fooled. It's actually a cheap little gun that works. I've talked to a number of owners who marvel at this, since they expect lowpriced pistols to jam and fall apart.

No, it doesn't have "class." What it does have is a very small size. It has numerous safety devices, enough to make it a pain in the backside to juggle them all when you unload it and then check that it's empty.

It also has is a suggested retail price of $116. The HP-22's low-acquisition cost combines with the low cost of the .22 Long Rifle ammo to make it the most affordable entry portal to recreational handgun shooting.

A lot of people will buy a Phoenix Arms HP-22 who may not ever buy a more expensive pistol. They will learn to shoot. They will learn gun safety. Some will go on to more expensive guns. Their lives will be better and safer for it. Each time this happens, at least one more person will become a gun owner and have a stake in gun owners' civil rights.

Sounds like a best buy to me.

COPYRIGHT 2001 Publishers' Development Corporation
COPYRIGHT 2000 Gale Group

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There's a couple, if you do a good search on them you'll probably find mixed reviews, with some loveing then and others thinking them to be junk guns. I personally like them. I wouldn't buy the Nickel version, because after a few shots it will start to flake off near the muzzle. For just a little more you could find a MII or MIII used. But for a brand new 22lr, and might I add probably the safest pistol I have ever seen, it's a good deal.

paynetrain · 01-09-2009, 08:25 PM

Ive got one of these and it needed alittle grinding underneath the barrel because it was scraping across the bullet when pulling it back to load and actually would not pull back most the time, I repaired the problem and now it works great. Its actually a great accurate little pistol! Actually it was a spot underneath the pullback mechanism, the one I have is the .25 its weighted very balanced and feels good in my hands. I paid 150.00 at a pawn shop here in Georgia for it about 3 months ago , brand new.

PONTIACDM · 01-09-2009, 08:39 PM

I had one a long time ago and it was ok I guess. The only ammo I could get to function in it good was cci stingers.

Constantine1911 · 01-09-2009, 08:41 PM

I like them.

Paper · 01-09-2009, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by myarmor

Gun Magazine Best Buy Handguns -Annaul 2001
Phoenix Arms HP-22
This looks like a cheap little junk gun. Don't be fooled. It's actually a cheap little gun that works.

I bought one because of this article.. It's a hunk of CRAP!! It's been back to them, they've sent me parts, and it's still crap.. Might as well be a paperweight..

I'm giving it one more try and letting a local gunsmith tinker with it. If he can't get it to work, I'll be traded off, or sent back to Phoenix and they can melt it down..

The slide will NOT stay on the barrel.. Lifts off constantly..

This .22 makes my old Jennings seem like a work of art..

Boken · 01-10-2009, 02:42 AM

We got one of these, the two barral package now, the full meal deal if you dare say .
We both like it , its allot of un . Very reliable once you find the ammo it likes, CCi Mini-Mags for us .
Its a complete pain in the butt to totally strip though . Takes some doing but once you figure out your method it works fine . Its still a pain though .
The price your looking at is way too high for that gun . They aint worth that .
I paid $50 in a pawn shop four years ago , bought the nickel longer barrel barrel from mail order with clip last year for under $40 .
Shop around for another , or tell him to quit trying to rip you off and talk him down to $100 or so .
If it doesn't come with both barrels , heck no !!!
Good little gun though, for us .

Boken

big shrek · 01-10-2009, 12:32 PM

I wouldn't give over $75 for a Phoenix, NIB or otherwise. The company has had a LONG reputation for junk.

Paper · 01-10-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by big shrek

I wouldn't give over $75 for a Phoenix, NIB or otherwise. The company has had a LONG reputation for junk.

I think that's a good plan, since SOG sells them at $99, dealer cost..

If I had your sense, I wouldn't own this POS..

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10-20-2005, 10:11 PM	#1
Thrawn Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Okeefenokee Posts: 1,613	Pheonix Arms Anybody got any comments on these? local gunsmith has had one on display for a while now, he's getting tired of looking at it and wants it gone. He's asking 180 for it brand new in the box. I've been wanting a little autoloader to plink around with for awhile now, this one has so many safety devices it's almost cool. It has a thumb safety, hammer block, magazine disconnect, slide won't move with safety on, magazine won't drop with safety off, halfcock, even comes with a little expandable faux shell that will lock the gun up when in the chamber. It seems like a really well made gun, just a little over engineered with all those bells and whistles.

01-09-2009, 08:25 PM	#10
paynetrain Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 1,304	Pheonix handgun Ive got one of these and it needed alittle grinding underneath the barrel because it was scraping across the bullet when pulling it back to load and actually would not pull back most the time, I repaired the problem and now it works great. Its actually a great accurate little pistol! Actually it was a spot underneath the pullback mechanism, the one I have is the .25 its weighted very balanced and feels good in my hands. I paid 150.00 at a pawn shop here in Georgia for it about 3 months ago , brand new. Last edited by paynetrain; 01-09-2009 at 11:11 PM. Reason: Miswrote something

01-09-2009, 08:39 PM	#11
PONTIACDM Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: OHIO Posts: 1,647	I had one a long time ago and it was ok I guess. The only ammo I could get to function in it good was cci stingers. __________________ You will not be punished for your anger. You will be punished by your anger.

01-09-2009, 08:41 PM	#12
Constantine1911 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: N.E Oklahoma Posts: 2,037	I like them. __________________ ''Nothing's wrong with shooting as long as the right people get shot'' Robert Deniro

10-20-2005, 10:26 PM	#2
.22guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,433	I've heard they are a pain in the butt to operate. I don't have any personal experience with one though.

10-20-2005, 10:27 PM	#3
Thrawn Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Okeefenokee Posts: 1,613	I imagine it would be, with all those gizmos. I'm mostly thinking of just plinking with it.

10-20-2005, 10:34 PM	#4
troylaplante Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Selma, NC Posts: 2,220	If it is the .22 model without the changeable barrel, it is a ripoff in price. Even if it was, it is still too high. I see Phoenix .22s around for $130 and less.

10-20-2005, 10:39 PM	#5
Thrawn Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Okeefenokee Posts: 1,613	I know that the barrel is removable.

10-20-2005, 11:16 PM	#6
.22guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,433	I think that one model come with a little bit longer of a barrel along with the shorter one. It's the "Target" model or something. I have to agree that $180 seems a little high. Check out gunbroker.com for some current prices. Maybe the guy will come down in price if he is tired enough of looking at it. Good luck.

10-21-2005, 07:19 AM	#7
troylaplante Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Selma, NC Posts: 2,220	I have seen both barrels in a package deal for about $170, but that was certainly not the "marked down for clearance" special. That was the "we're the only ones who carry this in the area and want full retail" price.

10-22-2005, 07:22 AM	#8
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	$170 is what the nickel plated Phoenix runs brand new here..I've been tempted to buy one to leave locked up in the glovebox

10-22-2005, 12:09 PM	#9
myarmor Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southwest ,VA Posts: 1,169	These might be of interest to you: http://www.ssaa.org.au/OFFICIALREVIE...rgetpistol.htm While I definately woouldn't compare it to the other models they did, I do like the little thing. I believe straight up price for a FFL dealer was $120 or 150 last I checked. But I would pay a little more. I have shot the small version, and you better have your plugs with you or else your head's goin'a be ringing. Gun Magazine Best Buy Handguns -Annaul 2001 Phoenix Arms HP-22 This looks like a cheap little junk gun. Don't be fooled. It's actually a cheap little gun that works. I've talked to a number of owners who marvel at this, since they expect lowpriced pistols to jam and fall apart. No, it doesn't have "class." What it does have is a very small size. It has numerous safety devices, enough to make it a pain in the backside to juggle them all when you unload it and then check that it's empty. It also has is a suggested retail price of $116. The HP-22's low-acquisition cost combines with the low cost of the .22 Long Rifle ammo to make it the most affordable entry portal to recreational handgun shooting. A lot of people will buy a Phoenix Arms HP-22 who may not ever buy a more expensive pistol. They will learn to shoot. They will learn gun safety. Some will go on to more expensive guns. Their lives will be better and safer for it. Each time this happens, at least one more person will become a gun owner and have a stake in gun owners' civil rights. Sounds like a best buy to me. COPYRIGHT 2001 Publishers' Development Corporation COPYRIGHT 2000 Gale Group Previous - 1 - 2 Save Print Send Link Subscribe There's a couple, if you do a good search on them you'll probably find mixed reviews, with some loveing then and others thinking them to be junk guns. I personally like them. I wouldn't buy the Nickel version, because after a few shots it will start to flake off near the muzzle. For just a little more you could find a MII or MIII used. But for a brand new 22lr, and might I add probably the safest pistol I have ever seen, it's a good deal.

01-10-2009, 02:42 AM	#14
Boken Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Washinton State Posts: 538	We got one We got one of these, the two barral package now, the full meal deal if you dare say . We both like it , its allot of un . Very reliable once you find the ammo it likes, CCi Mini-Mags for us . Its a complete pain in the butt to totally strip though . Takes some doing but once you figure out your method it works fine . Its still a pain though . The price your looking at is way too high for that gun . They aint worth that . I paid $50 in a pawn shop four years ago , bought the nickel longer barrel barrel from mail order with clip last year for under $40 . Shop around for another , or tell him to quit trying to rip you off and talk him down to $100 or so . If it doesn't come with both barrels , heck no !!! Good little gun though, for us . Boken

01-10-2009, 12:32 PM	#15
big shrek Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Northwest, FL Posts: 3,771	I wouldn't give over $75 for a Phoenix, NIB or otherwise. The company has had a LONG reputation for junk. __________________ Marlin Specialist, Calico Specialist