Seek opinions on accurate .22 rifle... - Page 2

billy · 11-24-2007, 09:05 AM

impact guns has em for $209.99 CZ 452 Scout Rifle 22LR, Single Shot
but a better choice is CZ 452 Military Training Rifle 22LR,

$257.99

i spent $377 on my heavy bbl. varmint.

Don357 · 11-25-2007, 11:15 AM

If you're interested in an auto .22 you may want to check out the TOZ-99-04. Its the same rifle as the TO3-78 that everyones talkink about except that it's an automatic. According to my research it has the exact same barrel and stock only with a semi auto action. The Tula Armory in Russia is well known for extremly high quality, reliable weapons, and the TO3-78 I have is no exception. And if the TOZ-99 is as they say, at $200 it would be hard to beat. Check out www.ssmedwi.com/rifles. There you can see the full line of Tula rifles. No, I am not a Tula rep,I just like their rifles.

nathangdad · 11-25-2007, 11:24 AM

Can't speak for the other guns, but my experience with the Ruger .22 auto leads me to believe it is meant for plinking rather than accurate hunting. Personally, I do not feel it is a good buy for someone wanting to spend more money to accurize it.

billy · 11-30-2007, 07:00 AM

10-22's are a money pit.
you can make them accurate but it aint cheap.
out of the box they are not worth a s#!* compared to my cz.
even after extensive /expensive mods it wont even match the cz

and yes the 452's have an adjustable trigger

heres a 5 shot group @ 25 yards

just so you dont think that was a fluke here is a series of 5 shot groups

Dan22 · 11-30-2007, 07:24 AM

Billy, Thanks for the CZ info. I thought they were a lot more expensive.

OK, I'll add it to the list, along with the Winchester Wildcat target.

BPierce · 12-01-2007, 03:55 PM

Yes the 452 comes with an adjustable trigger. BUT unless they have changed it recently, the adjustment is marginal at best. The reason kits, aftermarket triggers and volumes of advice are available is that lots of us aren't satisfied with it. It's good to know going in however that if you decide to modify the trigger, it's doable by the average Joe.

billy · 12-03-2007, 04:10 PM

yessir
i blew $10 on a trigger kit.
it works fine

Capt. Capsize · 12-08-2007, 07:59 PM

I just ordered one from CDNN and had it sent to a local gunshop, took 4 days. Cost $280. + 14 shipping, +25 for transfer a 5 for Nics check.

Tried it this weekend, it will shoot within 1" at 100 yds. It is beautiful, great walnut stock, high polish bluing, I love it. It seems to not be ammo sensitive although I have not tried every load yet.

edit: It was a CZ452 American. Several of my buddies have one also and love them.

shollis · 12-10-2007, 12:43 PM

As far as semiautos go, it's hard to beat a Browning Autoloader, otherwise known as a ".22 Takedown" I can consistently hit skeet on the burm at 100 yards with it.

Not flying skeet, that would be a trick

beammeupscotty · 12-11-2007, 09:55 PM

with the exception of a 10/22, a rifle I have never even considered owning. I like guns that shoot well right out of the box, and which do not needs hundreds of dollars of modification to become accurate.
The Wildcat is not a good value and I would not recommend it. If you can find an original TOZ-78 for a decent price ( under $150.00) that would be a pretty decent deal. The 78 is not quite as accurate as a CZ and no where near as well made, but they shoot pretty decently, much better than most and certainly better than a stock, vanilla 10/22. I paid $99.99 for my TOZ-78 and consider that a steal. Very few more will be coming in as Winchester has bought the rights and is importing them as the Wildcat. Please note that the Wildcat, by all reports, has an adulterated trigger which is NOT as good as the TOZ-78 triggers. It is supposed to be Americanized and over 3 lbs. pull. My original 78 adjusted down to below a pound, no creep...very nice trigger and better than a CZ out of the box. Mags on the 78 (and TOZ-99 for that matter) are cheaply made plastic castings and while they work, sometimes they need some tweaking to feed properly.
I do not recommend a Wildcat. You can probably get a CZ Trainer for about the same price and it is a better gun, by far.
The TOZ-99 is also a very good value in a semi, if you can find one for a decent price. I own two of them and they both shoot pretty darn well. i paid about $150.00 for the first one, then they went on sale and I bought another for $113.00. The 99 and the 78 should come with two five round and two ten round mags. That should also be factored in when considering the price. The 78 and 99 that I got for around a hundred bucks each were EXCEPTIONAL values. However, at $150.00 or up, I would just get the CZ trainer.
The CZ Trainer is an exceptional value l at right around $242.00 from Whittakers. It has probably the best factory iron sights of any .22 rimfire short of a match gun. For all around excellent value it is my choice hands down. With decent ammo and a good scope you should be able to shoot 1 MOA with it. Trigger mods are cheap and easy to do and all of my CZs have trigger pulls below a pound.
My recommendation, if you have no .22 RF rifles at this time, or only a few is get the CZ, by all means. You might even splurge and get an American from CDNN (I have two). If you already have lots of RFs, and already have a CZ or two, then a TOZ might be fun to have to round out your collection. A TOZ is NOT a good substitute for a CZ, but they shoot pretty decently for an inexpensive gun.

oldjarhead · 12-14-2007, 12:13 AM

Ruger 10/22 Target with a 4x40 scope.
Super shooter...out of the box.
Little more than you suggested budget but worth the extra $50.

11-24-2007, 09:05 AM	#21
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 10,865 Trader Rating: (0)	impact guns has em for $209.99 CZ 452 Scout Rifle 22LR, Single Shot but a better choice is CZ 452 Military Training Rifle 22LR, $257.99 i spent $377 on my heavy bbl. varmint. __________________ i'll keep an eye out for ya! Last edited by billy; 11-24-2007 at 09:06 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

11-25-2007, 11:15 AM	#22
Don357 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Semmes Alabama Posts: 246 Trader Rating: (0)	accurate .22 rifles If you're interested in an auto .22 you may want to check out the TOZ-99-04. Its the same rifle as the TO3-78 that everyones talkink about except that it's an automatic. According to my research it has the exact same barrel and stock only with a semi auto action. The Tula Armory in Russia is well known for extremly high quality, reliable weapons, and the TO3-78 I have is no exception. And if the TOZ-99 is as they say, at $200 it would be hard to beat. Check out www.ssmedwi.com/rifles. There you can see the full line of Tula rifles. No, I am not a Tula rep,I just like their rifles.

11-25-2007, 11:24 AM	#23
nathangdad Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,253 Trader Rating: (0)	Ruger 22 auto Can't speak for the other guns, but my experience with the Ruger .22 auto leads me to believe it is meant for plinking rather than accurate hunting. Personally, I do not feel it is a good buy for someone wanting to spend more money to accurize it.

11-30-2007, 07:00 AM	#24
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 10,865 Trader Rating: (0)	10-22's are a money pit. you can make them accurate but it aint cheap. out of the box they are not worth a s#!* compared to my cz. even after extensive /expensive mods it wont even match the cz and yes the 452's have an adjustable trigger heres a 5 shot group @ 25 yards just so you dont think that was a fluke here is a series of 5 shot groups __________________ i'll keep an eye out for ya! Last edited by billy; 11-30-2007 at 07:11 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

12-01-2007, 03:55 PM	#26
BPierce Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Minnesota (Becker County) Posts: 140 Trader Rating: (0)	452 adjustable trigger Yes the 452 comes with an adjustable trigger. BUT unless they have changed it recently, the adjustment is marginal at best. The reason kits, aftermarket triggers and volumes of advice are available is that lots of us aren't satisfied with it. It's good to know going in however that if you decide to modify the trigger, it's doable by the average Joe.

11-30-2007, 07:24 AM	#25
Dan22 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Central Florida Posts: 300 Trader Rating: (0)	Billy, Thanks for the CZ info. I thought they were a lot more expensive. OK, I'll add it to the list, along with the Winchester Wildcat target.

12-03-2007, 04:10 PM	#27
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 10,865 Trader Rating: (0)	yessir i blew $10 on a trigger kit. it works fine __________________ i'll keep an eye out for ya!

12-08-2007, 07:59 PM	#28
Capt. Capsize Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Merritt Island, Fl. Posts: 6 Trader Rating: (0)	CZ452 I just ordered one from CDNN and had it sent to a local gunshop, took 4 days. Cost $280. + 14 shipping, +25 for transfer a 5 for Nics check. Tried it this weekend, it will shoot within 1" at 100 yds. It is beautiful, great walnut stock, high polish bluing, I love it. It seems to not be ammo sensitive although I have not tried every load yet. edit: It was a CZ452 American. Several of my buddies have one also and love them. Last edited by Capt. Capsize; 12-08-2007 at 08:02 PM.

12-10-2007, 12:43 PM	#29
shollis Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 41 Trader Rating: (0)	As far as semiautos go, it's hard to beat a Browning Autoloader, otherwise known as a ".22 Takedown" I can consistently hit skeet on the burm at 100 yards with it. Not flying skeet, that would be a trick

12-11-2007, 09:55 PM	#30
beammeupscotty Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3 Trader Rating: (0)	I own most of the rifles mentioned here.... with the exception of a 10/22, a rifle I have never even considered owning. I like guns that shoot well right out of the box, and which do not needs hundreds of dollars of modification to become accurate. The Wildcat is not a good value and I would not recommend it. If you can find an original TOZ-78 for a decent price ( under $150.00) that would be a pretty decent deal. The 78 is not quite as accurate as a CZ and no where near as well made, but they shoot pretty decently, much better than most and certainly better than a stock, vanilla 10/22. I paid $99.99 for my TOZ-78 and consider that a steal. Very few more will be coming in as Winchester has bought the rights and is importing them as the Wildcat. Please note that the Wildcat, by all reports, has an adulterated trigger which is NOT as good as the TOZ-78 triggers. It is supposed to be Americanized and over 3 lbs. pull. My original 78 adjusted down to below a pound, no creep...very nice trigger and better than a CZ out of the box. Mags on the 78 (and TOZ-99 for that matter) are cheaply made plastic castings and while they work, sometimes they need some tweaking to feed properly. I do not recommend a Wildcat. You can probably get a CZ Trainer for about the same price and it is a better gun, by far. The TOZ-99 is also a very good value in a semi, if you can find one for a decent price. I own two of them and they both shoot pretty darn well. i paid about $150.00 for the first one, then they went on sale and I bought another for $113.00. The 99 and the 78 should come with two five round and two ten round mags. That should also be factored in when considering the price. The 78 and 99 that I got for around a hundred bucks each were EXCEPTIONAL values. However, at $150.00 or up, I would just get the CZ trainer. The CZ Trainer is an exceptional value l at right around $242.00 from Whittakers. It has probably the best factory iron sights of any .22 rimfire short of a match gun. For all around excellent value it is my choice hands down. With decent ammo and a good scope you should be able to shoot 1 MOA with it. Trigger mods are cheap and easy to do and all of my CZs have trigger pulls below a pound. My recommendation, if you have no .22 RF rifles at this time, or only a few is get the CZ, by all means. You might even splurge and get an American from CDNN (I have two). If you already have lots of RFs, and already have a CZ or two, then a TOZ might be fun to have to round out your collection. A TOZ is NOT a good substitute for a CZ, but they shoot pretty decently for an inexpensive gun.

12-14-2007, 12:13 AM	#31
oldjarhead Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Pottersville, MO Posts: 680 Trader Rating: (0)	Ruger 10/22 Target with a 4x40 scope. Super shooter...out of the box. Little more than you suggested budget but worth the extra $50.