Questions about rifle calibers!!!! need feedback

[scoutman]

i am doing a paper on how to pick the perfect rifle caliber and i need some info like ASAP!!!

1. who in vented the 17 HMR
i know hornady and marlin did but is there someone else to?

i will more questions to come

[lefty o]

there is no perfect rifle caliber.

[rfc357]

Why don't you ask Hornady or Marlin? I'm sure they have chief engineers who were responsible for cartridge development. These are seldom the product of one individual.

lefty_o is absolutely correct. But the .22lr comes close...................

[DWARREN123]

Hornady has a senior engineer who I believe is responsible for the 17 HMR and 17 MachII. If I remember correctly he was working on the MachII first but the company wanted the HMR to come out first.

[scoutman]

i understand there is no perfect rife caliber becasue people have many different opions but my paper is about how to pick the perfect rifle caliber for certain uses oveously it always comes down to what a person wants but there is a certain rifle caliber a person should use for certain game and that rifle is going to be a different caliber for everything and that is what i am trying to get across in my paper. i am saying u dont need 338 win to hunt deer with because that is over kill. and another thing i am takin the course of a person that is just gettin it to the sport and i am pickin 3 guns that you could use to hunt game like rabbits to deer and pheasents

[lefty o]

no such things as overkill. just not enough gun.

[andrew cochran]

Take it down to one gun. A twelve guage! Thats the perfect gun. Well maybe not perfect but dam good.

[rfc357]

People hunt deer with everything from M1 Carbines to the .375 H&H. I'd be hard pressed to say anything in this range is inappropriate. The argument about which cartridge is "better" has been going on since the second cartridge was invented. You may have bitten off more than you can chew.

It finally comes down to preference. I prefer to hunt deer with a particular .308 rifle because it is light and accurate. I could get by with a .30-30, or use a .30-06, or...........

Post your paper when you are finished.

[.22guy]

The perfect rifle caliber depends on what you are doing. If I was shooting at an enemy from 800 yards, I'd want a .308. For a squirrel within 125 yards, a .17HMR. Squirrel at 250 yards, probably .223. Squirrel at 550 yards? .22-250.

Tell us more about what you are doing.

[risk_3715]

My dad told me about when he was growing up that all he needed was three guns... .22, some sort of shotgun, probably a 12 gauge, and an all around large game rifle. 30-06 or 270. That's all you really need for the largest of hunting applications.

Everyone knows what those types of ammo. 12 gauge, .22LR, and 30-06 are the most popular and widely used. And they all get the job done.

[ArkansasHunter]

If you put cailbers in catagorys then you may be able to define the the best caliber for that catagory.
Theres not a perfect caliber because it would be either to big or to small and theres nothing Perfect.
A.H

[scoutman]

well i did not exactly take the course of picking the perfect rifle caliber. i manly took the course of Hunting economicly. what i mean is a person can use 3 different rifle calibers to hunt animals like rabit to deer. my paper is not perfect and i did not look really any thing up because most of this stuff i think I understand so correct me if i am wrong. you will kinda tell that i know a little more about rimfire than any thing else.

Picking the Correct Rifle Caliber and Being a Economic Hunter

Hunting is one of America’s pastimes. Before go hunting you should pick the proper rifle caliber to use. In order to pick the perfect rifle caliber you need to some research. Picking the rifle caliber is a necessary and proper thing to do to make efficient and humane kills. This is a necessary task to complete, because it could be the difference between the trophy of a lifetime or a disappointment on a hunting trip of a lifetime. Now picking the a rifle caliber to use is no easy task with modern day rifle engineering there have been many new rife calibers that have been introduce to this day Picking the perfect rifle caliber is essential to a successful full hunt because it is the only thing linking to a successful hunt. So when hunting deer a rifle that should not be use is a .22 rimfire because it lacks serious nock down power to take a deer. Let’s say that there is a person out there that is just getting started in the sport of hunting. He or she has absolutely no clue what to pick for rifle calibers or what name brands of rifles to get because this person has never been informed of any thing related to hunting. So lets get started this person would like to keep their cost down, and would like to only buy three guns. He or she would like to hunt rabbits all the way to deer only using three different calibers. Now this can be done because I only have three guns and they are .22 rimfire for small game, 12 gauge for northland birds, and finally a .270 Winchester for bigger varmints like coyote, and deer hunting. Now this set up will work if but it needs to be fine-tuned.
Small game hunting requires a rifle caliber that will not harm the meat or fur. What kind of rifle should be picked? That would be one from the rimfire family. The .22 rimfire can be used for rabbits all the way to coyote but its not recommended for uses on coyote and other animals of that size because its lack of power needed. In that case it should not be using it on coyote unless the distance is really close like 50 yards or less. So what gun to pick well there are lots of different ways to go when picking out a new .22 rifle being that there are so many different models and designs it should not be hard to pick one right. Well wrong it is hard because of the hundreds of different models. Two of the most successful .22 rifles in history are the Ruger 10/22 and the Marlin Model 60. I shoot the Marlin it is a semi auto, tube fed magazine and holds15 rounds. The model 60 is very reliable, and has better out of the box accuracy that the ruger 10/22. The marlin comes in many different setups also. Ruger 10/22 is has its own benefit its one of the most customizable .22 rifles ever. The ruger is a semi auto clip fed rifle. The stock on the gun can be changed, the barrel can be changed, the trigger can be fine tuned by buying a trigger kit, and it has the advantage of high capacity clips rather than just the factory 10 round magazine. Some say that the ruger is not quite big enough for an adult size shooter. Going off of personal experience the marlin model 60 is fit for an adult shooter.
However you are not just limited to the .22 long rifle cartridge for small game hunting. There is the .22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire (WMR), .17 Hornady Magnum Rimfire (HMR), and the .17 Hornady Mach 2(HM2). These are the other calibers from the rimfire family. These calibers have there own benefits and disadvantages. The .22 WMR was the first successful rimfire cartridge introduce in the 20 century (wikipedia.com). There have been a lot of attempts to revolutionize the rimfire area, but all attempts failed because they were not reliable enough. Until Hornady teamed up with Marlin and made the new .17 HMR this cartridge revolutionized the rimfire family and became popular very fast. The parent cartridge is the .22 WRM. What they did was they took a .22 magnum casing and necked down to fit a 17-caliber bullet. When the shell was shot it produced awesome results. Awesome flat shooting never seen before in a rimfire and extremely good accuracy out to 150 yards. These results were not seen since the failed 5mm Remington Rimfire Magnum made in 1970. (ChuckHawks.com) Then there is the 17 HR2 made by Hornady in 2004. The 17 HR2 is a .22 long rifle casing neck down to fit a .17 caliber bullet. Once again this new design performed as well as the 17HMR. I my opinion I don’t see point to making a copy of a cartridge just in a different shape. The good thing is that these cartridges are all sons and daughters from the 22 LR and 22 WMR. So the guns that shoot the 22 LR and 22 WMR. can just have simple barrel changes to shoot the 17 caliber bullets`. That’s probably why the 17 MH2 was made. My opinion of the .17 HM2 it is a copy of the 17 HMR and is not a necessary to have when there is another cartridge that can do the same thing as another one can. I personally would not want to use the 17 because of the small pointed bullet and very high velocities I think the bullet would just cut cleanly though and would not do much damage on bigger game like coyote or fox. So I would take the 22 WMR because it has a bigger bullet 30 to 40 grain and has velocities very comparable to the 17 HMR. Therefore the 22WMR has more knock down power and can to more damage
In all of that, the cartridge you should pick should be the 22 LR. Most .22 rifles are economically priced and ammunition is also priced very well. In own personal experience I would get an autoloader rifle because the autoloader seems to be the stealthiest because you wont have to move anything after you shoot it. The auto loader is also quicker shooting wise a person can take very quick shots verses bolt guns, lever, and pump action rifles. The rifle that a person would pick is completely up to them. The rifle should fit them, and the person should be comfortable shooting it.
Now that small game is out of the way how about big game like deer. Now for deer there are many different calibers I would not go any smaller than .223 Remington and no bigger than 30-06. Now before I mentioned that the 22LR is too weak for animals like coyote. This when the high-powered should be considered to be use when hunting game like coyote. A good caliber to pick would be the .243 Winchester. This caliber is good for some of the biggest deer. Has many different bullet grains to pick from they are 55, 58, 60, 70, 80, 85, 90, 95, 100, and finally 105. Pick the smaller grained bullets for smaller game and larger bullets for bigger game. The 243 is available in bolt action, pump, and autoloader. So there are many options for the caliber.
Now that is basically it for a high-powered rifle putting a scope on it is a must. Shooting at ranges of 100 yards or more gets very hard and it would make it easier to be accurate if a scope was mounted.
Bird hunting fun, challenging, and still requires a certain caliber or in this case a shotgun gauge. The most popular shotgun gauges used are 12 and the 20. The 12 can be used for small birds like grouse but a small shot load is a must or the bird will be turned in to a puff of feathers. In this case the 20 gauge would be better choice because it shoots less shot and has less power. So the 20 gauge is also good for young shooters as well. I would say that a person should stay with a 12 because of more hunting possibilities. One is you can hunt bigger sized birds like turkey and goose. If you live in a state like Iowa they don’t allow the uses of rifles so the state only allows the use of slug guns. Which are shotguns that shoot a slug. Before shooting a slug your shotgun needs to have a new barrel put on it. The barrel is rifled just like a regular rifle barrel is just that it shoots a different type of a bullet. The slug is comparable to a muzzleloader bullet. The reason the use of only a slug is because the projectile does not go as far when the area is flat. This is a safety precaution. The shotgun benefits it two ways it is a bird gun, a deer gun, and they also can be used to hunt game like coyote. Just get a slug that has a lower bullet weight or in different shot ounce of the slug.
Know that you know that what kind of a shotgun gauge is recommended for such use. What is there to pick from when buying a shotgun. Remington (Remington.com) makes the 870 and has many different models and setups of the 870 to choose from for the hunter. Another brand of shotgun is Mossberg. They have some different models to choose from the 500 and 835 models (Mossberg.com). Going with a pump or an autoloader is would be your own personal preference as they are both good choices.
One of the purposes my research is to have fun hunting and save a little money. Basically I am talking about the economic hunter who buys a gun for more than one purpose. For small game the 22 long rifle work good. For hunting game like deer a 243 Winchester will work good too and also benefits as a varmint or a coyote gun. Birds the 12 gauge works good it is versatile to be used on small birds to the biggest of birds like turkey. The 12 can also be fitted with a rifled barrel for shooting slugs for deer and varmint hunting. There is no such thing as a perfect caliber or shotgun gauge, but more of a gun that can be used to hunt more that one kind of game. There are lots of guns that are that way. When picking your rifle it is always a personal preference what a person feels the most comfortable with. When picking your rifle caliber, the right one should always be picked because the taking your game the most humane way possible is one of the fundamentals of hunting.




so is it anygood at all

[andrew cochran]

Well it was pretty good! You don't always need a slug barrel to shoot slugs though. Somebody else back me up on this?

[neophyte]

a collaboration of Ruger Hornady Marlin resulted into .17hmr
from Chuck Hawks web site.
scoutman: sir; your question is the longest running battle of best gun.
Sir; many many deer have been taken with the .22; probably more than with any one caliber.

Your 3 gun quest; economics the end result.
.22 cheapest you'll get
.270 All around general round
12 gauge shotgun

personally I'd give up on the .22 to have .17hmr
knowing full and well the significant cost per shot differences.
Now if I were going to be stuck off somewhere that ammo availability was the issue. .22 would come with me.
Do you have a good report. Yes; given the variability's, one tough report.

[baldeagle48]

HOW ABOUT TWO GUNS, A 12GUAGE/223 OVER/UNDER AND A 22 RIFEL