which .22 LR to buy?? CZ 452 Deluxe? Browning T-Bolt? Rueger M77/22?

PONDERUSSA · 10-16-2009, 12:59 AM

I want to buy a Quality .22 Rifle to share with my son. I currently own a SAKO .222 which is a great gun, but I am not familiar with the Quality of the different brands in .22 Calibre.

Ten Man · 10-16-2009, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by PONDERUSSA

I want to buy a Quality .22 Rifle to share with my son. I currently own a SAKO .222 which is a great gun, but I am not familiar with the Quality of the different brands in .22 Calibre.

All the brands you mentioned are excellent. I have owned them all. I sold all but the Ruger 77/22, because I got rid of all the blued rifles I could. I did not want to worry about the moisture problem in the PNW.

I have several of the Ruger 77s in stainless steel, and different calibers (.22, .22 Magnum, .223, .44 Magnum, .308). They all shoot great.

GlockMeister · 10-16-2009, 01:40 AM

Can't go wrong with a Ruger 10/22. Linked below are 3 models of the 10/22 for you. The last being a target model.
Ruger 10/22 Deluxe Model 10/22DSP, 22 LR 18 1/2" Blued Barre for Sale at Buds Gun Shop $274.00

Ruger 1022 Standard 22LR, Blued, Hardwood 1022RB for Sale at Buds Gun Shop $203.00

Ruger 1022 Target Model 22LR, Blued, Brown Laminate 1022-T for Sale at Buds Gun Shop $363.00

The CZ452 would also be a great choice. Below is an example of just one model, the American.
CZ 452 American .22lr for Sale at Buds Gun Shop $392.00

nathangdad · 10-16-2009, 02:49 AM

but, personally, I would choose the CZ.

It is just my opinion and I respect the fact that others will have differing opinions.

tappedandtagged · 10-16-2009, 03:13 AM

Have you looked at the Henry lever guns??? Several other manufacturers make the lever action 22's including Browning, Marlin and Mossberg. If I could have just one 22 lr, it'd be a lever action for sure.

big shrek · 10-16-2009, 04:05 AM

You can always go wrong with Ruger...the accuracy SUX out of the box...but let's not get me started about all the things I hate about Ruger 10/22's.

What I can't figure out is how someone can hate Hi-Point and not hate Ruger for the exact same problems, minus the Zinc.

The CZ's are nice, but pricey.
The Marlin Bolt-actions are an incredible value.
Browning T-Bolt is a good quality rifle.

Marlin Lever-Actions are what most folks who want Precision out of a Lever-Action go for. They've set the standard since Annie Oakley used 'em.

billy · 10-16-2009, 06:14 AM

i would get another cz in a heartbeat.
the 452 varmint is the most accurate rifle i own.
and i own some accurate rifles...

deserthobbies · 10-16-2009, 06:27 AM

[QUOTE=big shrek;1021831]You can always go wrong with Ruger...the accuracy SUX out of the box...but let's not get me started about all the things I hate about Ruger 10/22's.

What I can't figure out is how someone can hate Hi-Point and not hate Ruger for the exact same problems, minus the Zinc.

The CZ's are nice, but pricey.
The Marlin Bolt-actions are an incredible value.
Browning T-Bolt is a good quality rifle.

Marlin Lever-Actions are what most folks who want Precision out of a Lever-Action go for. They've set the standard since Annie Oakley used 'em.[/QUOTE

I have to agree, my dad ,brother and I have all had 10-22s . but for accuracy they are on the bottom of our list. just picked up a Savage bolt with the accutrigger and it will put a 10-22 to shame

Deep13 · 10-16-2009, 02:18 PM

CZ. There, that was easy. The Ruger 10/77 is a nice rifle too and has that rotary magazine with its own parking space of each round. I don't know anything about the Browning T-bolt. Seems pretty clear you are looking for an easy-to-clean bolt action and not an automatic filth-magnet.

I have been very happy with my CZ452FS. With a scope, it makes one ragged hole at 50 yards. At 100 yds. in still air, I keep them all on the 3" target.

Deep13 · 10-16-2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by big shrek

Marlin Lever-Actions are what most folks who want Precision out of a Lever-Action go for. They've set the standard since Annie Oakley used 'em.

That IS a superlative .22 sporting rifle. Solid steel receiver, one screw takedown, microgroove rifling and a 24" heavy barrel.

PONDERUSSA · 10-16-2009, 06:32 PM

If I was to go down the line of the CZ, anyone suggest a good scope combination for this rifle??

big shrek · 10-17-2009, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by PONDERUSSA

If I was to go down the line of the CZ, anyone suggest a good scope combination for this rifle??

Buy as much scope as you can afford

Or, do what I did and get a Center Point at Wally World for under $80 and slap it on

I'm enjoying the 4-16x40 & the 3-9x30...for a .22lr, you can't go wrong with either.
Just don't buy one if it's been taken out of the Clamshell.

Deep13 · 10-23-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by PONDERUSSA

If I was to go down the line of the CZ, anyone suggest a good scope combination for this rifle??

Well, it depends. They have several configurations. The 452FS has the full-length Mannlicher stocks (checkered walnut) and Bavarian style grip and comb. It has tangent sights that are extremely accurate. I use a Burris Fullfield II 40mm scope. It does well. It is a good, all-purpose .22.

For added accuracy, there is the 452LUX which is actually less expensive because of the beech stock. It has the Bavarian grip and comb and a 28" barrel. Like the FS, it has tangent sights that benefit from a really long sight radius. Oddly, it is perfectly balanced despite the long barrel.

Both the FS and the LUX use European-style 11mm scope rings, if you decide to use a scope. Their American-style rifles use Weaver rings.

The most accurate model they have is the 453 Varmint. It has an American stock, single set trigger, a heavy barrel and no sights. The scope mounts on Weaver rings. Once set, it has an extremely light trigger.

For something lighter, they have a deluxe American sporter with a unique, stippled walnut stock.

I would go with a 40mm scope as that is a good balance of resolution and weight.

ArkansasHunter · 10-23-2009, 11:10 AM

It's a know Brainer...Buy the CZ and people quit reccomending a 10/22. Unless it's customized it prolly ain't going to be acurate. But the Marlin 60 might be.

Take billy's advice and the others that bought CZ's

EDIT: I have two brand new Marlin's 981 & 983 the CZ is more accurate. I will try other 22 ammo in the Marlins before I trade them off...Hope I don't have to though...A.H

big shrek · 10-23-2009, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

It's a know Brainer...Buy the CZ and people quit reccomending a 10/22. Unless it's customized it prolly ain't going to be acurate. But the Marlin 60 might be.

Take billy's advice and the others that bought CZ's

EDIT: I have two brand new Marlin's 981 & 983 the CZ is more accurate. I will try other 22 ammo in the Marlins before I trade them off...Hope I don't have to though...A.H

Give 'em to ME!! I'll give 'em a good home

Always remember my Marlin Rules of Accurizing...
Trigger job first...
float the barrel...
pillar bed...
don't attach the sling to the tube mag...
Should be shooting the eyes out of a muskrat at 100 yards at that point...
And even if you have a Gunsmith do all that, you'll still be at least $150 less expensive than a CZ.

Bear in mind, both of your Marlins are Tube Fed...which lead to different accurizing issues
than the CZ's that are clip-mag-fed.

What ya shoulda got is a 982 (.22WMR) & a 980S (.22lr) or a Marlin 2000 (.22lr) if you wanted to whoop up on some CZ's.
Marlin 795 with an 880SQ or 7000 barrel if you want to clobber 'em in Semi-auto

My 25MN (.22WMR) shoots quarter-sized groups & smaller at 100 yards.
It's Marlin goodness at it's best

PONDERUSSA · 10-23-2009, 06:05 PM

Thanks for all your advise on the Gun and Scope Combination. Have the CZ Owners got recommendations on Ammo that fires well in the CZ's????

Swe_shark75 · 10-23-2009, 06:25 PM

CZ 452 American with suppressor,Modified trigger to 0,7lbs and 3,5-15x56 Nightforce

My CZ shoots good with CCI.RWS.Lapua.Eley. The only ones that did shoot bad was Remington target.

Swe_Shark75

Rex in OTZ · 10-25-2009, 05:17 PM

Nobody has mentioned Anshutz as a high end .22 bolt rifle.
The CZ is definately a very good choice.
The new model Browning t-Bolts are no slouch in the accuracy department either.
Ive shot the 77/22lr and a .22mag version too, for some reason I had a higher expectation of accuracy from a Ruger arm they do hold a pretty good resale value though.
Browning baby A bolt in .22Lr is another I think will hold value and is definately a accurate shooter.
Kimber model 82 is another very nice premium .22 rimfire.
Charles Daly makes a very nice rim fire bolt rifle, had the chance to look one over at a gun show, very nice.

Deep13 · 10-26-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by PONDERUSSA

Thanks for all your advise on the Gun and Scope Combination. Have the CZ Owners got recommendations on Ammo that fires well in the CZ's????

Wolf is my first choice. CCI standard velocity does well. For HV, I like Federal Gold Medal, and CCI Mini Mag, especially for 100 yards if there is some wind.

Deep13 · 10-26-2009, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Swe_shark75

The only ones that did shoot bad was Remington target.
Swe_Shark75

I'm forced to agree.

10-16-2009, 12:59 AM	#1
PONDERUSSA Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 4	which .22 LR to buy?? CZ 452 Deluxe? Browning T-Bolt? Rueger M77/22? I want to buy a Quality .22 Rifle to share with my son. I currently own a SAKO .222 which is a great gun, but I am not familiar with the Quality of the different brands in .22 Calibre.

10-16-2009, 01:40 AM	#3
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 9,676	Can't go wrong with a Ruger 10/22. Linked below are 3 models of the 10/22 for you. The last being a target model. Ruger 10/22 Deluxe Model 10/22DSP, 22 LR 18 1/2" Blued Barre for Sale at Buds Gun Shop $274.00 Ruger 1022 Standard 22LR, Blued, Hardwood 1022RB for Sale at Buds Gun Shop $203.00 Ruger 1022 Target Model 22LR, Blued, Brown Laminate 1022-T for Sale at Buds Gun Shop $363.00 The CZ452 would also be a great choice. Below is an example of just one model, the American. CZ 452 American .22lr for Sale at Buds Gun Shop $392.00 __________________ "The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." "Edmond Burke"

10-16-2009, 02:49 AM	#4
nathangdad Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,164	They are all good guns but, personally, I would choose the CZ. It is just my opinion and I respect the fact that others will have differing opinions.

10-16-2009, 04:05 AM	#6
big shrek Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Northwest, FL Posts: 3,124 Images: 56	You can always go wrong with Ruger...the accuracy SUX out of the box...but let's not get me started about all the things I hate about Ruger 10/22's. What I can't figure out is how someone can hate Hi-Point and not hate Ruger for the exact same problems, minus the Zinc. The CZ's are nice, but pricey. The Marlin Bolt-actions are an incredible value. Browning T-Bolt is a good quality rifle. Marlin Lever-Actions are what most folks who want Precision out of a Lever-Action go for. They've set the standard since Annie Oakley used 'em. __________________ In every Unit...there is a Scrounger...

10-16-2009, 06:14 AM	#7
billy Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 19,720 Images: 10 Blog Entries: 161	i would get another cz in a heartbeat. the 452 varmint is the most accurate rifle i own. and i own some accurate rifles... __________________ Last edited by billy; 10-16-2009 at 06:16 AM.

10-16-2009, 03:13 AM	#5
tappedandtagged Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Southwest Arkansas Posts: 840 Blog Entries: 1	Have you looked at the Henry lever guns??? Several other manufacturers make the lever action 22's including Browning, Marlin and Mossberg. If I could have just one 22 lr, it'd be a lever action for sure.

10-16-2009, 06:27 AM	#8
deserthobbies Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Southeast , MO. Posts: 327	[QUOTE=big shrek;1021831]You can always go wrong with Ruger...the accuracy SUX out of the box...but let's not get me started about all the things I hate about Ruger 10/22's. What I can't figure out is how someone can hate Hi-Point and not hate Ruger for the exact same problems, minus the Zinc. The CZ's are nice, but pricey. The Marlin Bolt-actions are an incredible value. Browning T-Bolt is a good quality rifle. Marlin Lever-Actions are what most folks who want Precision out of a Lever-Action go for. They've set the standard since Annie Oakley used 'em.[/QUOTE I have to agree, my dad ,brother and I have all had 10-22s . but for accuracy they are on the bottom of our list. just picked up a Savage bolt with the accutrigger and it will put a 10-22 to shame

10-16-2009, 02:18 PM	#9
Deep13 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 594	CZ. There, that was easy. The Ruger 10/77 is a nice rifle too and has that rotary magazine with its own parking space of each round. I don't know anything about the Browning T-bolt. Seems pretty clear you are looking for an easy-to-clean bolt action and not an automatic filth-magnet. I have been very happy with my CZ452FS. With a scope, it makes one ragged hole at 50 yards. At 100 yds. in still air, I keep them all on the 3" target. __________________ That which can be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.

10-16-2009, 06:32 PM	#11
PONDERUSSA Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 4	If I was to go down the line of the CZ, anyone suggest a good scope combination for this rifle??

10-23-2009, 11:10 AM	#14
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas. Posts: 17,210	It's a know Brainer...Buy the CZ and people quit reccomending a 10/22. Unless it's customized it prolly ain't going to be acurate. But the Marlin 60 might be. Take billy's advice and the others that bought CZ's EDIT: I have two brand new Marlin's 981 & 983 the CZ is more accurate. I will try other 22 ammo in the Marlins before I trade them off...Hope I don't have to though...A.H __________________ IN GOD WE TRUST NRA MEMBER Last edited by ArkansasHunter; 10-23-2009 at 11:18 AM.

10-23-2009, 06:05 PM	#16
PONDERUSSA Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 4	Thanks for all your advise on the Gun and Scope Combination. Have the CZ Owners got recommendations on Ammo that fires well in the CZ's????

10-23-2009, 06:25 PM	#17
Swe_shark75 Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 38	CZ 452 American with suppressor,Modified trigger to 0,7lbs and 3,5-15x56 Nightforce My CZ shoots good with CCI.RWS.Lapua.Eley. The only ones that did shoot bad was Remington target. Swe_Shark75 __________________ /////KNOW YOUR LIMITS\\\\\ Last edited by Swe_shark75; 10-23-2009 at 06:38 PM.

10-25-2009, 05:17 PM	#18
Rex in OTZ Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NorthWest Alaska Posts: 975	Others? Nobody has mentioned Anshutz as a high end .22 bolt rifle. The CZ is definately a very good choice. The new model Browning t-Bolts are no slouch in the accuracy department either. Ive shot the 77/22lr and a .22mag version too, for some reason I had a higher expectation of accuracy from a Ruger arm they do hold a pretty good resale value though. Browning baby A bolt in .22Lr is another I think will hold value and is definately a accurate shooter. Kimber model 82 is another very nice premium .22 rimfire. Charles Daly makes a very nice rim fire bolt rifle, had the chance to look one over at a gun show, very nice.