considering a .17hmr and need advice

[pontiac_fiero_g]

i was at walmart today picking up some nightcrawlers and usually will look in their gun cases when im there and saw a marlin model 917v that caught my eye as well as a savage 93r-f. fom what i noticed the marlin had a much nicer stock, a much heavier barrel, sling studs already attached but no sights, the savage also had the sling studs and no sights but the stock felt cheap as though they took the stock from a $30 bb gun and slapped it on in a hurry, there was no weight to it and it felt like if i dropped it then it might shatter. im a taller guy and suprisingly both felt ok as far length but they have those stupid trigger gaurds so i wasnt able to evaluate trigger pull unfortunatly but i did work the bolt on both a few times and it is buttery smoothe on both but the savage was just a little bit smoother. both rifles were between $200-225 so the price diference will not make a differnce. i will mostly use it for killing time and paper but possibly aslo groundhog/squirrel/yotes around my place. do any of you have experience with these? about how heavy is the trigger on each? based on this information i have provided wich would you choose and why? thanks in advance.

[big shrek]

.17 ain't enough for 'yotes...most prefer a .22Magnum at minimum...I know I do

.22 Magnum 50-grain Federal Game-Shok ammo works just fine on 'em

But for g-hog & squirrel, .17 is quite nice. Only bad thing, if a .17 hits a branch, you'll miss...the heavier .22WMR's will cut right thru the little stuff

If you are going to go with .17, get a Marlin, WAY more precise out of the box than anything else out there. You'll need to smooth the trigger/sear mating a bit...either rifle. And The Marlin packing grease is THICK & HEAVY, you'll have to clean it totally before taking it to the range...but the Precision...unbeatable. Savage can't touch 'em.

[nathangdad]

It came in with a roar of publicity and gun magazine articles.

It is not exactly a winner in terms of getting a bit of market share and holding on to it.

I would do some serious thinking about a .17 caliber firearm, the cost of ammo, and what might be the higher cost of ammo in the future.

If, after thinking about it and deciding it is right for you, then I would choose a Marlin.

[srt 10 jimbo]

Have the Savage 93fv in the 22WMR round Great little gun at $219.000 as far as the differance I'D GO WITH THE 22wmr if your gonna be shooting inside of 100 yards. further out I'd go with the .17HMR.

[Pope130]

My sister-in-law has the Marlin. In the process of function checking the arm, and sighting in the scope I put about two hundred rounds through it. (I probably could have done the job in twenty rounds, but you want to be careful about these things.) It is wicked accurate, and has been 100% reliable, with no problems whatever. I haven't tried the Savage, so can't compare them, but I can recommend the Marlin with no reservations.

Robert

[chucksnee]

Wal-Mart has guns? I live in Huntsville, AL and have not seen a gun in Wal-Mart in years.....

[Dryfli]

I have the savage but its the higher end model its dead on balls accurate (industry term) it has the accutrigger which is much smoother than my sons model 60 I would spent the extra cash to get that trigger.

[big shrek]

Originally Posted by srt 10 jimbo

as far as the differance I'D GO WITH THE 22wmr if your gonna be shooting inside of 100 yards. further out I'd go with the .17HMR.

Wrong answer, sparky You can easily reach out & touch something at 150 and farther with a .22WMR.

I drop yotes at 100-150 yards with 50-grain Federal Game-Shok, they don't get back up

You sight in at 125 yards, shoots a wee bit high (about 1") at 100, so you hold a little low; & shoots a wee bit low (about 1.5") at 150, so you hold a little high, depending on the .22WMR ammo you use.

The lighter 30 & 33-grain .22WMR rounds...you barely notice a difference.
They fly almost as flat and fast as .17's at 100-150.

Of course, the big thing is your eyeball ranging abilities...if you are able to figure the range of the critter fairly accurately, you know where to hold high or low

Mil-Dot scope is almost a requirement. Bipod is preferred.

It's a heck of a lot easier than using .45-70 and trying to use trigonometry to figure out the long-range angles of the Mortar-like shot

[pontiac_fiero_g]

Originally Posted by big shrek

Wrong answer, sparky You can easily reach out & touch something at 150 and farther with a .22WMR.

I drop yotes at 100-150 yards with 50-grain Federal Game-Shok, they don't get back up

You sight in at 125 yards, shoots a wee bit high (about 1") at 100, so you hold a little low; & shoots a wee bit low (about 1.5") at 150, so you hold a little high, depending on the .22WMR ammo you use.

The lighter 30 & 33-grain .22WMR rounds...you barely notice a difference.
They fly almost as flat and fast as .17's at 100-150.

Of course, the big thing is your eyeball ranging abilities...if you are able to figure the range of the critter fairly accurately, you know where to hold high or low

Mil-Dot scope is almost a requirement. Bipod is preferred.

It's a heck of a lot easier than using .45-70 and trying to use trigonometry to figure out the long-range angles of the Mortar-like shot

i have a bushnell 3-9x40 that i think is pretty decent. ive used it on my 10/22 out to about 75-100yds and had 1.5in groups of 5.

[AK Hunter]

I got the Savage 17HMR, I bought it just before the Accutrigger came out so I got it for a real deal about $120. I got it with a bull barrel and the plastic stock It is dead on accurate, I can put 5rds on paper at 100+yds and cover them up with a quarter it is that accurate. I put a Mil-dot scope on it is about the only thing I have done to it. If you shoot the boat-tail ammo the wind won't be a problem.
A lot of people on here will put the Savage 17HMRs down but if you notice they will compare to to them by stating "They fly almost as flat and fast as .17's at 100-150."
Or one guy said;"Only bad thing, if a .17 hits a branch, you'll miss...the heavier .22WMR's will cut right thru the little stuff."
If you hit a branch with a .17HMR it is your fault because the gun shoots flat and fast and is a lot more accurate than that.
All I can say is the squirrels/groundhogs/& yotes around here hate this gun, it is almost unfair.

[deserthobbies]

Originally Posted by AK Hunter

I got the Savage 17HMR, I bought it just before the Accutrigger came out so I got it for a real deal about $120. I got it with a bull barrel and the plastic stock It is dead on accurate, I can put 5rds on paper at 100+yds and cover them up with a quarter it is that accurate. I put a Mil-dot scope on it is about the only thing I have done to it. If you shoot the boat-tail ammo the wind won't be a problem.
A lot of people on here will put the Savage 17HMRs down but if you notice they will compare to to them by stating "They fly almost as flat and fast as .17's at 100-150."
Or one guy said;"Only bad thing, if a .17 hits a branch, you'll miss...the heavier .22WMR's will cut right thru the little stuff."
If you hit a branch with a .17HMR it is your fault because the gun shoots flat and fast and is a lot more accurate than that.
All I can say is the squirrels/groundhogs/& yotes around here hate this gun, it is almost unfair.

I have a 17 HMR and it stops these Southern Mo. yotes dead in their tracks. I dont understand why so many people say they are too small for yotes, unless they actually havent shot one with a .17HMR and are just guessing they are too small.

[neophyte]

Facts Knowing a little more; 17.hmr is outstanding round Coyote beware

Here are the velocity numbers in feet-per-second at the muzzle, 50 yards, 100 yards, 150 yards (when available), and 200 yards (when available):

• .17 HMR, 17 grain V-Max = MV 2550 fps, 2380 fps at 50 yards, 1900 fps at 100 yards, 1620 fps at 150 yards, 1378 fps at 200 yards.
• .17 HMR, 20 grain XTP = MV 2375 fps, 2051 fps at 50 yards, 1754 fps at 100 yards, 1492 at 150 yards, 1273 fps at 200 yards.
• .22 WMR, 30 grain TNT = MV 2200 fps, 1720 fps at 50 yards, 1340 fps at 100 yards, 1080 fps at 150 yards.
• .22 WMR, 40 grain JHP = MV 1910 fps, 1610 fps at 50 yards, 1350 fps at 100 yards.

From these numbers it becomes clear just how much faster the .17 HMR really is. At 100 yards the difference amounts to 550 fps between the highest velocity loads for each caliber! Clearly, the .17 HMR is the undisputed speed king


Energy
Velocity is an important factor in calculating kinetic energy, but so is bullet weight. We have already seen that the .17 HMR is by far the faster cartridge, but the .22 WMR shoots a far heavier bullet. Energy is important because it powers bullet expansion and penetration, and is a major factor in killing power.
Here is the energy of our comparison loads, in foot-pounds at the muzzle, 50 yards, 100 yards, 150 yards (when available), and 200 yards (when available):

• .17 HMR, 17 grain V-Max = ME 245 ft. lbs., 185 ft. lbs. at 50 yards, 136 ft. lbs. at 100 yards, 99 ft. lbs. at 150 yards, 72 ft. lbs. at 200 yards.
• .17 HMR, 20 grain XTP = ME 250 ft. lbs., 187 ft. lbs. at 50 yards, 137 ft. lbs. at 100 yards, 99 ft. lbs. at 150 yards, 72 ft. lbs. at 200 yards.
• .22 WMR, 30 grain TNT = ME 325 ft. lbs., 200 ft. lbs. at 50 yards, 120 ft. lbs. at 100 yards, 80 ft. lbs. at 150 yards.
• .22 WMR, 40 grain JHP = ME 324 ft. lbs., 230 ft. lbs. at 50 yards, 162 ft. lbs. at 100 yards.

Here we see a different story. The .22 WMR starts with about a 75 ft. lb. advantage in kinetic energy at the muzzle. At 50 yards the 40 grain .22 bullet is carrying about 45 more ft. lbs., and at 100 yards the 40 grain .22 bullet still has a 25 ft. lb. advantage over the .17 bullets. At 150 yards the .17 HMR has an energy advantage of about 20 ft. lbs. over the 30 grain .22 bullet, and we have no figures for the 40 grain bullet beyond 100 yards.
What we can conclude from this is that the 40 grain .22 WMR load is the most powerful cartridge out to at least 100 yards, and beyond that adequate data is lacking. I would guess that the 40 grain .22 WMR bullet retains its energy advantage out to at least its maximum point blank range of about 125 yards.
Note that the energy of the 30 grain .22 bullet falls behind the 40 grain .22 bullet by 50 yards, and behind both .17 HMR loads by 100 yards. Also note that there is no practical difference in energy between the 17 and 20 grain .17 HMR bullets at any range.

[Chas310]

Just my .02 cents here. I like them both. I had a Marlin and have a Savage. You won't be disappointed with either one.

[pontiac_fiero_g]

Originally Posted by Chas310

Just my .02 cents here. I like them both. I had a Marlin and have a Savage. You won't be disappointed with either one.

why did you get rid of the marlin?

[Chas310]

Originally Posted by pontiac_fiero_g

why did you get rid of the marlin?

Not a collector. wanted a .17 so I traded. I like to sell and trade. The only ones that are off limits for sell or trade are ones that I have received from my family as gifts or handed down. Both are very good. But like the other post have mentioned the .17 may be a bit small for anything bigger than a ground hog but will still do the job on coyotes if you are a good shot and place it where it counts. You will have to make that call.

[pontiac_fiero_g]

what does everybody think about the hm2 round? i understand less power but how is the accuracy and range? is it possible to fire an hm2 in a hmr bolt gun? from what i know an hmr is a necked down .22mag and a hm2 is a .22lr is that right? if so then i should be able to that because if i manually load mags into my dads model 60 it will shoot them as well.

[srt 10 jimbo]

Sure you can reach out with the 22wmr at 100-150 yards. but the .17Hmr will do it better.

[pontiac_fiero_g]

Originally Posted by srt 10 jimbo

Sure you can reach out with the 22wmr at 100-150 yards. but the .17Hmr will do it better.

but are .17 like .22 where they are interchangable in some guns?

[srt 10 jimbo]

They are both based on the same case, just radically different bullets. The .17HMR has a Higher velocity but the 22wmr has a harder impact. I've shot both of them And I still think the .17hmr is more accurate. But I Like the 22wmr better. And Rule Number 1. I'm never wrong. rule number 2. If I am wrong, read rule number 1. again

[pontiac_fiero_g]

Originally Posted by srt 10 jimbo

They are both based on the same case, just radically different bullets. The .17HMR has a Higher velocity but the 22wmr has a harder impact. I've shot both of them And I still think the .17hmr is more accurate. But I Like the 22wmr better. And Rule Number 1. I'm never wrong. rule number 2. If I am wrong, read rule number 1. again

i meant can you shoot a hm2 in a hmr gun like you can do with .22lr in a .22mag?