how much?

saragal · 01-15-2006, 02:39 PM

I was looking into getting a M 14, but im not sure about the price, and I also herd that they a a problem with jaming and locking. is that true?

Mooseman684 · 01-15-2006, 02:46 PM

M1A/M14 is one Fine Rifle...Prices range from 1250 dollars to 2000 !
Keep it clean and Greased and with Good Quality Mags and ammo, it will run like the Energizer Bunny !:right:

BattleRifleG3 · 01-15-2006, 02:49 PM

Springfield Armory is the standard, but you might have reason to look into Fulton Armory too. They are known for good quality and more realistic approaches to firearms use and maintenance. For example, disassembling a Springfield Armory rifle voids the warranty. For pete's sake, you have to clean and lube the thing.

7mmag6 · 01-15-2006, 03:29 PM

you cant get an m-14, only the m1a. they are beutifull rifles, superb craftsmanship, he-ll if it was a woman id marry it

saragal · 01-15-2006, 10:07 PM

wow 7mmag6, your a strange one!
I know that you have to keep it clean and lubed, but I had one for about a year then sold it to a friend for 2k, no matter what I did it always jammed, I think it may have been an off brand of the thing! it seems to happen with my 454 causal hand gun to, but the better ammo I buy the better it gets!

7mmag6 · 01-15-2006, 10:15 PM

hey dont talk bad about my beloved m1a, do you know what the maker was? norinco? springfield or fulton? there is always poor quality rifles of any make around. Sorry you had trouble. The M1a is afine rifle if its done right

7mmag6 · 01-15-2006, 10:17 PM

the best m1as come from fulton if you can afford one, very pricey, I have a springfield national match, its never let me down

BattleRifleG3 · 01-15-2006, 11:16 PM

There were also M14 derivatives made by Federal Ordnance that have had mixed reviews.

saragal · 01-16-2006, 04:49 PM

ummmm I have no clue whare it was made, I know the it was an off brand not from the US. but I dident buy it for the brand, I bought it because it was hella awesome to shoot

Gyrene · 01-23-2006, 11:32 PM

Springfield Armory (Commercial), Geneseo, Illinois, is the Manufacturer (?) of the M1A. The Term M1A is copyrighted (whatever) by Springfield Armory (Commercial), Geneseo, Illinois. All other M14 lookalikes are M14's, with some of them being called the M14 S/A (for M14 Semi-Automatic).

As was stated, the disassembly of a Springfield Armory (Commercial) M1A can void the Warranty, and as has also been stated, you need to disassemble the M1A for cleaning and lubing them. The lack of lubrication in the new M1A's causes several malfunctions. They ship the M1A's with a prelubed bolt and receiver, and it is ok and ready to fire. The problem is that they do not seem to lube the Operating Rod Guide, the Operating Rod, the Operating Rod Spring Guide, the Operating Rod Spring. It is a MACHINE, and Machines run on grease (oil is not acceptable except for extremely short time)

7mmag6 · 01-24-2006, 02:54 PM

dang I did not know that gyrene "The Term M1A is copyrighted (whatever) by Springfield Armory (Commercial), Geneseo, Illinois. All other M14 lookalikes are M14's, with some of them being called the M14 S/A (for M14 Semi-Automatic)."

ccvfd1201 · 02-18-2006, 07:33 AM

I have 2 Springfields, 1 is NM the other the Scout. Both are flawless. I had a Polytech M14 S/A but the chamber was max in both diameter and length which means it passed but the brass could not be reloaded because it would break off the second time around. Sold it for more than I paid and bought USA. Fulton Armory +, Norinco - NO way

Gyrene · 02-19-2006, 12:53 AM

I work at our county shooting range, and I see all kinds of firearms. I have to help the customers keep them firing when they have problems, and hardly a week goes by when I do not have to help somebody with a new (at least to them) M1A from Springfield Armory (commercial), Geneseo, Illinois (not the Springfield Armory (U. S. Government), Springfield, Massachusetts).

Most of the time, they have followed the directions in their Owners' Manual, by not pulling it apart. IF YOU WANT THE M1A RIFLE TO OPERATE, IT MUST HAVE GREASE ON CERTAIN PARTS!! To grease (lube) it, you have to pull it apart, because you can't put grease on many parts without pulling the rifle apart!

The Springfield Armory (commercial), Geneseo, Illinois receivers are made by Lithgow, in Australia, and/or by Imbel in Brazil, because USA made parts would be too expensive. I am not sure who makes the balance of the Springfield Armory (commercial), Geneseo, Illinois M1A parts, however it is very likely are not made in the USA. Springfield Armory (commercial), Geneseo, Illinois used to use USGI parts for their more expensive models, but the USGI parts are not now readily available, and the hoarded supplies that once equipped the M1A's and other M14's are running out. The USGI parts are by far the best that money can buy, and the other parts are generally among the biggest malfunction problems that M1A's and other M14's have.

For many years the M1A Super Match was the only Springfield Armory (commercial), Geneseo, Illinois product that was equipped with USGI parts almost throughout, but that has begun to change. Since it is their most expensive (except for the M21) M1A, they do spend more time assuring that the parts work, but the M1A Super Match's do sometimes have the same problems that plague the rest of the M1A series from Springfield Armory (commercial), Geneseo, Illinois.

If you have a Springfield Armory (commercial), Geneseo, Illinois M1A that does not have problems, then it has either had USGI parts installed in it, or you are lucky.

That said, I will say that the M1A has been a mainstay in the High Power NRA/CMP "Military" category, rifle matches, for over 20 years, until several years ago when the US Army and US Marine Corps rifle teams finally figured out what it takes to make the AR-15/M-16 into a "Military" Match rifle.

In California, if you did not register your AR-15 by 31 December 1999, the only "Military" Match rifle available to you has been the M1A from Springfield Armory (commercial), Geneseo, Illinois.

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gonzo454 · 03-29-2006, 07:32 PM

I have now 4 M1A rifles and have yet to run across the issues mentioned, the most common issue I have is some substandard mags not feeding correctly. All of mine are Springfield Armory, and always have been. Fortunately for me of the 12 or so I have owned in my life none of mine have had any issue greater than ammo feed or Mag issues.

.308_WIN · 04-17-2006, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gyrene

As was stated, the disassembly of a Springfield Armory (Commercial) M1A can void the Warranty, and as has also been stated, you need to disassemble the M1A for cleaning and lubing them.

W/ all due respect to Gyrene, I know tons of folks who bought and love SA Inc's M1A. And none of the folks I know have ever been turned away by SA Inc due to voiding their warranty via disassembly for clean and lube. It is a nice "catch all" to turn away those who Bubba'd up their rifles by playing gunsmith.
He is dead on about cleaning and greasing though!! Lots of grease in all the right places and you will have a great time. Cleaning is not as critical as with the AR platforms. I know guys who shoot all season before a full disassembly and cleaning. Make sure your bore is clean, your chamber and your bolt face too. Unless you are shooting corrosive Indian ammo... then clean everything every time you shoot like you gun depends on it... 'cause it does!
I love my Scout. Had it for a few years. Shoots 3 inch groups with iron sights all day. I am an engineer who loves statistical probabilities so when I say "groups" I mean twenty or more rounds.

With an Aimpoint ML2 comp (4 MOA dot

) I've gotten it down to 2 1/2" I may send 'er out to get the gas system unitized and shimmed for better accuracy after I am done hunting this year, but no rush.

.308_WIN · 04-25-2006, 02:30 PM

ECHO... Echo... echo... ech... ec... e.... .....

PosterboyUSMC · 05-19-2006, 06:09 PM

I've tried to let my blood come to a simer after what I've just read, but it won't.

I don't want to beat a dead horse, but it shocks me that disassembling the weapon voids the warranty. Maybe it's because I'm in the military and every time you shoot, you break 'er down to bare bones and clean it until, no !!!!, you could eat off of it and use the barrow as a straw.

Dale · 05-20-2006, 11:08 AM

Lithgow (Armory?) out of Australian was making M14s at one time but I'm not sure if they are still around for another consideration.

Mooseman684 · 05-20-2006, 12:09 PM

I held out as long as I can, BUT, You guys crack me up sometimes !

There is a Big difference between Disassembling and field stripping for cleaning purposes. Disassembly is removing every single piece from the trigger group, removing the Barrel from the receiver,removing the Gas block from the Barrel, Etc. This WILL void the warranty!
Removing the trigger Group, pulling the Action, Bolt, and gas piston out for cleaning the Major Components (field stripping)Will Not void the warranty !
Rich

FutureMarine · 05-20-2006, 06:34 PM

thanks for making that clear MM.

01-15-2006, 02:39 PM	#1
saragal Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: wa. state Posts: 20	how much? I was looking into getting a M 14, but im not sure about the price, and I also herd that they a a problem with jaming and locking. is that true?

01-15-2006, 02:46 PM	#2
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,645 Images: 2	M1A/M14 is one Fine Rifle...Prices range from 1250 dollars to 2000 ! Keep it clean and Greased and with Good Quality Mags and ammo, it will run like the Energizer Bunny !:right: __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

01-15-2006, 02:49 PM	#3
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	Springfield Armory is the standard, but you might have reason to look into Fulton Armory too. They are known for good quality and more realistic approaches to firearms use and maintenance. For example, disassembling a Springfield Armory rifle voids the warranty. For pete's sake, you have to clean and lube the thing. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

01-15-2006, 11:16 PM	#8
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	There were also M14 derivatives made by Federal Ordnance that have had mixed reviews. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

05-20-2006, 11:08 AM	#18
Dale Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Too Dang Hot, Arizona Posts: 4,284	Lithgow (Armory?) out of Australian was making M14s at one time but I'm not sure if they are still around for another consideration. __________________ "It confuses me how some people can vigorously go against the 2nd. Amendment and still call themselves patriotic"-me

01-15-2006, 03:29 PM	#4
7mmag6 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 337 Images: 1	you cant get an m-14, only the m1a. they are beutifull rifles, superb craftsmanship, he-ll if it was a woman id marry it

01-15-2006, 10:07 PM	#5
saragal Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: wa. state Posts: 20	wow 7mmag6, your a strange one! I know that you have to keep it clean and lubed, but I had one for about a year then sold it to a friend for 2k, no matter what I did it always jammed, I think it may have been an off brand of the thing! it seems to happen with my 454 causal hand gun to, but the better ammo I buy the better it gets!

01-15-2006, 10:15 PM	#6
7mmag6 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 337 Images: 1	hey dont talk bad about my beloved m1a, do you know what the maker was? norinco? springfield or fulton? there is always poor quality rifles of any make around. Sorry you had trouble. The M1a is afine rifle if its done right

01-15-2006, 10:17 PM	#7
7mmag6 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 337 Images: 1	the best m1as come from fulton if you can afford one, very pricey, I have a springfield national match, its never let me down

01-16-2006, 04:49 PM	#9
saragal Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: wa. state Posts: 20	ummmm I have no clue whare it was made, I know the it was an off brand not from the US. but I dident buy it for the brand, I bought it because it was hella awesome to shoot

01-23-2006, 11:32 PM	#10
Gyrene Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 886	Springfield Armory (Commercial), Geneseo, Illinois, is the Manufacturer (?) of the M1A. The Term M1A is copyrighted (whatever) by Springfield Armory (Commercial), Geneseo, Illinois. All other M14 lookalikes are M14's, with some of them being called the M14 S/A (for M14 Semi-Automatic). As was stated, the disassembly of a Springfield Armory (Commercial) M1A can void the Warranty, and as has also been stated, you need to disassemble the M1A for cleaning and lubing them. The lack of lubrication in the new M1A's causes several malfunctions. They ship the M1A's with a prelubed bolt and receiver, and it is ok and ready to fire. The problem is that they do not seem to lube the Operating Rod Guide, the Operating Rod, the Operating Rod Spring Guide, the Operating Rod Spring. It is a MACHINE, and Machines run on grease (oil is not acceptable except for extremely short time)

01-24-2006, 02:54 PM	#11
7mmag6 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 337 Images: 1	dang I did not know that gyrene "The Term M1A is copyrighted (whatever) by Springfield Armory (Commercial), Geneseo, Illinois. All other M14 lookalikes are M14's, with some of them being called the M14 S/A (for M14 Semi-Automatic)."

02-18-2006, 07:33 AM	#12
ccvfd1201 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 5	I have 2 Springfields, 1 is NM the other the Scout. Both are flawless. I had a Polytech M14 S/A but the chamber was max in both diameter and length which means it passed but the brass could not be reloaded because it would break off the second time around. Sold it for more than I paid and bought USA. Fulton Armory +, Norinco - NO way

02-19-2006, 12:53 AM	#13
Gyrene Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 886	I work at our county shooting range, and I see all kinds of firearms. I have to help the customers keep them firing when they have problems, and hardly a week goes by when I do not have to help somebody with a new (at least to them) M1A from Springfield Armory (commercial), Geneseo, Illinois (not the Springfield Armory (U. S. Government), Springfield, Massachusetts). Most of the time, they have followed the directions in their Owners' Manual, by not pulling it apart. IF YOU WANT THE M1A RIFLE TO OPERATE, IT MUST HAVE GREASE ON CERTAIN PARTS!! To grease (lube) it, you have to pull it apart, because you can't put grease on many parts without pulling the rifle apart! The Springfield Armory (commercial), Geneseo, Illinois receivers are made by Lithgow, in Australia, and/or by Imbel in Brazil, because USA made parts would be too expensive. I am not sure who makes the balance of the Springfield Armory (commercial), Geneseo, Illinois M1A parts, however it is very likely are not made in the USA. Springfield Armory (commercial), Geneseo, Illinois used to use USGI parts for their more expensive models, but the USGI parts are not now readily available, and the hoarded supplies that once equipped the M1A's and other M14's are running out. The USGI parts are by far the best that money can buy, and the other parts are generally among the biggest malfunction problems that M1A's and other M14's have. For many years the M1A Super Match was the only Springfield Armory (commercial), Geneseo, Illinois product that was equipped with USGI parts almost throughout, but that has begun to change. Since it is their most expensive (except for the M21) M1A, they do spend more time assuring that the parts work, but the M1A Super Match's do sometimes have the same problems that plague the rest of the M1A series from Springfield Armory (commercial), Geneseo, Illinois. If you have a Springfield Armory (commercial), Geneseo, Illinois M1A that does not have problems, then it has either had USGI parts installed in it, or you are lucky. That said, I will say that the M1A has been a mainstay in the High Power NRA/CMP "Military" category, rifle matches, for over 20 years, until several years ago when the US Army and US Marine Corps rifle teams finally figured out what it takes to make the AR-15/M-16 into a "Military" Match rifle. In California, if you did not register your AR-15 by 31 December 1999, the only "Military" Match rifle available to you has been the M1A from Springfield Armory (commercial), Geneseo, Illinois. `

03-29-2006, 07:32 PM	#14
gonzo454 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 111	I have now 4 M1A rifles and have yet to run across the issues mentioned, the most common issue I have is some substandard mags not feeding correctly. All of mine are Springfield Armory, and always have been. Fortunately for me of the 12 or so I have owned in my life none of mine have had any issue greater than ammo feed or Mag issues.

04-25-2006, 02:30 PM	#16
.308_WIN Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 5	ECHO... Echo... echo... ech... ec... e.... .....

05-19-2006, 06:09 PM	#17
PosterboyUSMC Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Jacksonville, North Carolina Posts: 59 Images: 4	I've tried to let my blood come to a simer after what I've just read, but it won't. I don't want to beat a dead horse, but it shocks me that disassembling the weapon voids the warranty. Maybe it's because I'm in the military and every time you shoot, you break 'er down to bare bones and clean it until, no !!!!, you could eat off of it and use the barrow as a straw.

05-20-2006, 12:09 PM	#19
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,645 Images: 2	I held out as long as I can, BUT, You guys crack me up sometimes ! There is a Big difference between Disassembling and field stripping for cleaning purposes. Disassembly is removing every single piece from the trigger group, removing the Barrel from the receiver,removing the Gas block from the Barrel, Etc. This WILL void the warranty! Removing the trigger Group, pulling the Action, Bolt, and gas piston out for cleaning the Major Components (field stripping)Will Not void the warranty ! Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

05-20-2006, 06:34 PM	#20
FutureMarine Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: PRK Posts: 1,946	thanks for making that clear MM. __________________ Semper Fi