Should children of illegals born here be denied US citizenship

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

Read an article on how the parents were illegal while the children were US citizens. What do you think? Pass a law? Can you pass such a law.

[Shaun]

definitely why should they get to stay because they whelped a kid

[Ctwo]

The issue is about the kid, not they that whelped it.

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

Originally Posted by Ctwo

The issue is about the kid, not they that whelped it.

Both go hand in hand.

If Illegals come over here and give birth in US then the child is a Natural Born citizen and is granted all the rights and privledges herein. The parents will be allowed to stay because as their parents they will get to decide what citizenship the child will retain; THEY WILL STAY HERE!

[troy2000]

This issue is troubling to me. I don't think the kids should get citizenship. but realistically, if you deny citizenship to someone who is born and raised here, you're creating a permanent underclass to be exploited and mistreated, and sowing the seeds for future trouble. Look at Europe and its homegrown Muslims.

[Outriderdark]

The definition of a US Native is someone who was born on US soil. It has nothing to do with your parents. It's always been that way. It doesn't change the status of the parents. They don't get to stay automatically cause they birthed 'em a baby. You can't have the definition be that a US native is only someone born to a US native cause at some point, unless you're a Blackfoot or something, someone had to come here from somewhere at sometime either 200 years ago or 2 years ago.
The only caveat to that was if you were born here and your parents took you back to thier native land, you had to reclaim your citizenship by a certain age. I don't know if that's still the case.
Bruce Lee is a more famouse example of that. He was born in San Francisco to Hong Kong natives who were touring the area with a show of some sort. He claimed his citizenship when he was of age.

[Outriderdark]

A kid born here is NOT a naturalized citizen. They are a native citizen. the ethnicity, nationality, or status of the parents doesn't count for anything.

[Outriderdark]

Actually, the kid'd probably end up a ward of the state. Having a kid would not exempt you from the penalty of law, which in this case is deportment or imprisonment.
However, if being deported, no Mexican woman I have ever met would leave their baby here. They are very family oriented, and unless they had legal family to leave them with, they would take them back with them.
If the parents had gone back, the kid would decide his or her own citizenship when they came of age. One, the other, or dual in some cases when it's allowed.
In most countries, if you are born abroad you still have your parents citizenship. Like if you were born while your parents were visiting Ghana, you'd still be a US citizen. However, Ghana might also be claimed as your Native land, depending on Ghanas law. Or both, depending.

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

Originally Posted by Outriderdark

You can't have the definition be that a US native is only someone born to a US native cause at some point, unless you're a Blackfoot or something, someone had to come here from somewhere at sometime either 200 years ago or 2 years ago.

[size="4"]You're missing my point and its probably my fault that I didn't clarify it better: The point is not to deny citizenship to a Naturalized child (of non-native parents); the point is to deny citizenship to children of parents who are here ILLEGALY (not in the country legally) so therefore the pretenses of their claim to citizenship are false.


U.S. Constitution: Fourteenth Amendment
Fourteenth Amendment - Rights Guaranteed Privileges and Immunities of Citizenship, Due Process and Equal Protection


Amendment Text | Annotations
Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

[Outriderdark]

I don't understand. Your childs citizenship doesn't change your own. I'm not sure why you think it does. Sorry if I'm being thick-headed.

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

Originally Posted by Outriderdark

I don't understand. Your childs citizenship doesn't change your own. I'm not sure why you think it does. Sorry if I'm being thick-headed.

ORD I never said the child's citizenship changes the parent's; however the US is not gonna deport the parents and keep the kid. You can rest assured there are enough liberal lawyers and hispanic advocacy groups out there to make sure that doesn't happen.

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

Originally Posted by Outriderdark

A kid born here is NOT a naturalized citizen. They are a native citizen. the ethnicity, nationality, or status of the parents doesn't count for anything.

You're right they are Natural Born not naturalized; I changed it.

[BattleRifleG3]

I don't see how they could change this and not undermine rights to other citizens. I'd look for other ways to fight illegal immigration.

[Joey l mur]

In Canada imagration dont care they send the parents back and keep the kids.:cheer:

[Outriderdark]

Originally Posted by SPOCAHP ANAR

ORD I never said the child's citizenship changes the parent's; however the US is not gonna deport the parents and keep the kid. You can rest assured there are enough liberal lawyers and hispanic advocacy groups out there to make sure that doesn't happen.

It's certainly a possibilty that someone could persue it in that way, but you can't start changing long-established principals of citizenship because a few people might try that.
And it shouldn't really work, anyway. The kid has no bearing on the parents status until they're 21 and can sponser their family to legally come over. "My baby is a citizen so we should stay" shouldn't hold much water in court.
It's called an "Anchor Baby" by the way, when someone tries using a US born kid to get citizenship.

The real impact is that hispanic immigration gets preference in any case, baby or not, to the exclusion of other immigrants. The INS has a quota system. So many hispanics get in legally that many other nationalities get edged out in the final number by a HUGE margin.

[Ctwo]

send the parents back and the us born children are wards of the state, and have citizenship...and I agree with ORD part about the parents taking the children back to their homeland, the children need to come back and claim their citizenship or loose it.

no mercey, except for the innocent

[Shaun]

send the kids back as well we don't need the tax burdens on the citizens of this country. If the kid stays the parents should forfiet all rights & custody and let the kid up for uncontested adoption. I disagree with putting the kid in a dcs home as it will still cost us money for an illegal

[Gio]

I say give them a choice, leave the kid and go back to mexico or, Take the kid back and when he comes of age let him decide if he wants citizenship. Having a kid shouldnt change the fact that you are illegal.

[Mooseman684]

The fact That The Parent(s) are or have entered the U.S. ILLEGALLY should actually be a determining factor if Laws were Common Sense ! Since The Parent Had No legal right to be here, Then the Child should not be Granted citizenship period. Had the parent(s) entered Legally and then had the Child in the U.S. that would be a different Ball Game totally !
The only Rights an Illegal alien should have is the right to be Deported !

[Rufus Rhastus J]

Well, I just don't know any other way to put it.....if you are illegally in the US...you are a criminal......CRIMINALS BELONG IN JAIL! As to the little bundels of love.....send them home to their next of kin..if you can figure it out...just get them all out of here! The end will justify the means by which it was accomplished. I'm a citizen, pay taxes and am subject to the whims and injustices of the government....as such, if immagration does not treat me fairly or, with proper due course of the law...then why should a criminal have it better than me? Let the parents do time in jail to pay back society for the cost of the hospital when it was used to deliver the bundels of joy.....then boot them out!!!!!