Effective Range

Gio · 04-02-2006, 08:54 PM

What is a Mausers effective Range. I've been told anywhere from 500 to
1300 m.
I'm gonna put a 9 power on it I was wondering what kind of range you think that will give me.

Bookman · 04-03-2006, 06:38 PM

Are you shooting at prairie dogs or people? The 8mm Mauser rifle can hit a man-sized target at 500 meters if there is no wind and lighting condition is adequate. Beyond that it's the shooter as much as the rifle.

The power of the scope has nothing to do with the range or accuracy of the rifle.

You said "Mauser rifle" and did not mention caliber. No matter. 500 m is still a long shot.

Gio · 04-03-2006, 08:38 PM

Sorry. I'm used to reffering to it as my Mauser and not specifying the caliber.
Its 8mm.

jellydonut · 04-13-2006, 10:36 PM

500m is a long shot, but not near the end of its "effective range". I agree though, it depends largely on the shooter. That, and the rifle's condition itself. As for the 8mm round, it's still cookin well past 1000m. That's why the sight itself usually goes to 2000m, though that may be a bit excessive. That's more for harrassment fire(E.G. "HOLY HECK BATMAN, WHERE"D THAT COME FROM!?"), and one-in-a-thousand hits. I can't find a real ballistic graph of the muzzle energies for 8mm, so I'm including a link for what energy .308 has remaining, out to 1000 yds. http://www.snipercentral.com/308.htm 8mm is probably 20-30% hotter than a .308, and much heavier, too. So expect a significantly increased "kill range" for the 8mm cartridge. FYI, your average military sniper doesn't generally shoot past 1000m and expect to hit their target very often. (in .308) They shoot 1100 meters just for kicks, cuz by that time they have about 350 inches of bullet drop to compensate for, i think. (also in .308) So 8mm, IMHO, if it were a sniper's round of choice, could be used out close to 1300m, yeah. If you had a really really good rifle. an average guy with an average 8mm mauser... ehh... 400m-800m for man-sized target, good rifle, and iron sights, with practice. scopes only help you see your target better, not shoot better. That what they say, anyway.

Gio · 04-14-2006, 10:38 PM

I just got the Mauser a couple of months ago. Its nice. The only pitting I found on it was underneath the barrel closer to the breach when I took the stock off. There was barley any. It has all the numbers on it. Matching too. And all the eagles are on it except for the swatztikas under them. There might be one they forgot to grind off. Its in beautiful condition. I'm killing my dad though. He thinks it's still worth somthing collector wise. Even with the Swatztikas ground off. And Im putting a scope on it. So the bolt is getting rebent. And they are putting a low saftey on it. Not to mention the 4 holes they are drilling into it. He hates me doin that to an old mauser. Now, if it had ALL the markings it would be different.

lefty o · 04-15-2006, 09:08 AM

not to criticize, but if it is an all matching numbers gun, i probably wouldnt cut it up. i dont see any issue cutting up a mixmaster though.

Gio · 04-15-2006, 01:01 PM

I bought it off of century arms. They already ruined the value by stamping info on the barrel and grinding off the Swatstikas.

lefty o · 04-15-2006, 03:18 PM

all imported rifles have the importers name stamped on the underside of the barrel. and the countries who are selling off these rifles are the ones who have defaced the nazi markings. it is however your rifle, and if you feel the need to alter it, go for it.

joeshooter · 04-19-2006, 09:44 PM

The ballistic info I have says the 8x57 196 gr. bullet drops off to 375 foot pounds at 500 yards. That's as far as the table goes, but the .308 180 gr. bullet still has around 1000 foot pounds at the same range. The heavy weight of the 8mm also makes the bullet drop and sometimes tumble more than the other rounds mentioned. 8mm mauser is my personal favorite, I have two identical turkish mausers.

jellydonut · 05-04-2006, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by joeshooter

The ballistic info I have says the 8x57 196 gr. bullet drops off to 375 foot pounds at 500 yards. That's as far as the table goes, but the .308 180 gr. bullet still has around 1000 foot pounds at the same range. The heavy weight of the 8mm also makes the bullet drop and sometimes tumble more than the other rounds mentioned. 8mm mauser is my personal favorite, I have two identical turkish mausers.

...whaaaaat?

no way. Maybe that's a really light load. I've seen some crappy spec-ed surplus rounds out there, but most 8mm are cooking off at near 2900 fps at the muzzle. The heavy bullet weight should make them more stable, as long as the twist is proper on the rifling. I believe they have a better ballistic coefficient, so they SHOULD retain their energy longer than .308, too. I know an army sniper personally, he owns an 8mm Mauser, and he's confident with it past the range of his G.I. rifle in .308.

Beer Forever · 05-04-2006, 01:50 PM

My 7mm Mauser is a very accurate rifle. I was made in 1932 and it still shoots perfectly, better than most. I have shot it at 300 yards without a scope and I still hit the target, maybe it was luck because I couldn't really see the target. I was thinking about tapping and drilling it to add a scope, but I think it is pretty cool the way it is. It is the one that is NOT the shotgun.

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joeshooter · 05-05-2006, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jellydonut

...whaaaaat?

no way. Maybe that's a really light load. I've seen some crappy spec-ed surplus rounds out there, but most 8mm are cooking off at near 2900 fps at the muzzle. The heavy bullet weight should make them more stable, as long as the twist is proper on the rifling. I believe they have a better ballistic coefficient, so they SHOULD retain their energy longer than .308, too. I know an army sniper personally, he owns an 8mm Mauser, and he's confident with it past the range of his G.I. rifle in .308.

Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what it says in the federal reloading manual for pretty close bullet weights. They start out fast, but slow down quick. Check your manuals to make sure one of us is correct. 7mm mauser holds more foot pounds at 500 yards than 8mm also.

USMC0332 · 05-06-2006, 01:31 AM

From the Sellier&Bellot chart
8x57 JS, 196 FMJ, Muzzle-2589fps 2887ft/lbs, 100yds-2411fps 2505ft/lbs, 300yds-2096fps 1894ft/lbs. 100yd zero-drops 19 inches at 300yds.

.308 180 FMJ, Muzzle-2411fps 2342ft/lbs, 100yds-2224fps 1995ft/lbs, 300yds-1896fps 1448ft/lbs. 100yd zero-drops 23 inches at 300yds.

7x57 140 FMJ, Muzzle-2621fps 2132ft/lbs, 100yds-2385fps 1764ft/lbs, 300yds-1972fps 1207ft/lbs. 100yd zero drops 20 inches at 300yds.

The Federal and Remington charts show anemic American 8mm loadings. I know that people do use 8mm in 1000 meter competition. American 8mm is similar to 30-30, european ammo is similar to 30/06.

joeshooter · 05-06-2006, 07:58 AM

My chart says 8mm drops 72 inches at 500, while .308 only drops around 40. I didn't know that about american and european ammo. Thanks

04-02-2006, 08:54 PM	#1
Gio Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 804 Images: 8	Effective Range What is a Mausers effective Range. I've been told anywhere from 500 to 1300 m. I'm gonna put a 9 power on it I was wondering what kind of range you think that will give me. __________________ Blow you up.

04-03-2006, 08:38 PM	#3
Gio Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 804 Images: 8	Sorry. I'm used to reffering to it as my Mauser and not specifying the caliber. Its 8mm. __________________ Blow you up.

04-14-2006, 10:38 PM	#5
Gio Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 804 Images: 8	I just got the Mauser a couple of months ago. Its nice. The only pitting I found on it was underneath the barrel closer to the breach when I took the stock off. There was barley any. It has all the numbers on it. Matching too. And all the eagles are on it except for the swatztikas under them. There might be one they forgot to grind off. Its in beautiful condition. I'm killing my dad though. He thinks it's still worth somthing collector wise. Even with the Swatztikas ground off. And Im putting a scope on it. So the bolt is getting rebent. And they are putting a low saftey on it. Not to mention the 4 holes they are drilling into it. He hates me doin that to an old mauser. Now, if it had ALL the markings it would be different. __________________ Blow you up.

04-15-2006, 01:01 PM	#7
Gio Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 804 Images: 8	I bought it off of century arms. They already ruined the value by stamping info on the barrel and grinding off the Swatstikas. __________________ Blow you up.

04-19-2006, 09:44 PM	#9
joeshooter Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mid-west Posts: 199	The ballistic info I have says the 8x57 196 gr. bullet drops off to 375 foot pounds at 500 yards. That's as far as the table goes, but the .308 180 gr. bullet still has around 1000 foot pounds at the same range. The heavy weight of the 8mm also makes the bullet drop and sometimes tumble more than the other rounds mentioned. 8mm mauser is my personal favorite, I have two identical turkish mausers. Last edited by joeshooter; 04-20-2006 at 10:01 AM.

04-03-2006, 06:38 PM	#2
Bookman Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: 10 paces south of Canada Posts: 738	Are you shooting at prairie dogs or people? The 8mm Mauser rifle can hit a man-sized target at 500 meters if there is no wind and lighting condition is adequate. Beyond that it's the shooter as much as the rifle. The power of the scope has nothing to do with the range or accuracy of the rifle. You said "Mauser rifle" and did not mention caliber. No matter. 500 m is still a long shot.

04-13-2006, 10:36 PM	#4
jellydonut Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 234	500m is a long shot, but not near the end of its "effective range". I agree though, it depends largely on the shooter. That, and the rifle's condition itself. As for the 8mm round, it's still cookin well past 1000m. That's why the sight itself usually goes to 2000m, though that may be a bit excessive. That's more for harrassment fire(E.G. "HOLY HECK BATMAN, WHERE"D THAT COME FROM!?"), and one-in-a-thousand hits. I can't find a real ballistic graph of the muzzle energies for 8mm, so I'm including a link for what energy .308 has remaining, out to 1000 yds. http://www.snipercentral.com/308.htm 8mm is probably 20-30% hotter than a .308, and much heavier, too. So expect a significantly increased "kill range" for the 8mm cartridge. FYI, your average military sniper doesn't generally shoot past 1000m and expect to hit their target very often. (in .308) They shoot 1100 meters just for kicks, cuz by that time they have about 350 inches of bullet drop to compensate for, i think. (also in .308) So 8mm, IMHO, if it were a sniper's round of choice, could be used out close to 1300m, yeah. If you had a really really good rifle. an average guy with an average 8mm mauser... ehh... 400m-800m for man-sized target, good rifle, and iron sights, with practice. scopes only help you see your target better, not shoot better. That what they say, anyway.

04-15-2006, 09:08 AM	#6
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,783	not to criticize, but if it is an all matching numbers gun, i probably wouldnt cut it up. i dont see any issue cutting up a mixmaster though.

04-15-2006, 03:18 PM	#8
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,783	all imported rifles have the importers name stamped on the underside of the barrel. and the countries who are selling off these rifles are the ones who have defaced the nazi markings. it is however your rifle, and if you feel the need to alter it, go for it.

05-04-2006, 01:50 PM	#11
Beer Forever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,714	My 7mm Mauser is a very accurate rifle. I was made in 1932 and it still shoots perfectly, better than most. I have shot it at 300 yards without a scope and I still hit the target, maybe it was luck because I couldn't really see the target. I was thinking about tapping and drilling it to add a scope, but I think it is pretty cool the way it is. It is the one that is NOT the shotgun. [IMG][/IMG] __________________ Paramedic sks forever Last edited by Beer Forever; 05-04-2006 at 01:52 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

05-06-2006, 01:31 AM	#13
USMC0332 Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: East Central Minnesota, USA Posts: 53	From the Sellier&Bellot chart 8x57 JS, 196 FMJ, Muzzle-2589fps 2887ft/lbs, 100yds-2411fps 2505ft/lbs, 300yds-2096fps 1894ft/lbs. 100yd zero-drops 19 inches at 300yds. .308 180 FMJ, Muzzle-2411fps 2342ft/lbs, 100yds-2224fps 1995ft/lbs, 300yds-1896fps 1448ft/lbs. 100yd zero-drops 23 inches at 300yds. 7x57 140 FMJ, Muzzle-2621fps 2132ft/lbs, 100yds-2385fps 1764ft/lbs, 300yds-1972fps 1207ft/lbs. 100yd zero drops 20 inches at 300yds. The Federal and Remington charts show anemic American 8mm loadings. I know that people do use 8mm in 1000 meter competition. American 8mm is similar to 30-30, european ammo is similar to 30/06.

05-06-2006, 07:58 AM	#14
joeshooter Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mid-west Posts: 199	My chart says 8mm drops 72 inches at 500, while .308 only drops around 40. I didn't know that about american and european ammo. Thanks