SHTF Travel

Chris · 02-16-2007, 12:12 PM

So I have heard everyone talking about Jeeps, and ATV's....but if you can't get gas...how will you travel?

By foot would be very limited to how far you could go, and the weather conditions.

I guess Horses would make a very fast comeback.

CrazyIvan · 02-16-2007, 12:25 PM

Most vehicles would go between 200 and 450 miles on one tank. I would say that is a fairly good distance if you are trying to evacuate your existing location. Hopefully most people keep their tanks above half-full.

I'd drive as far as I could on what fuel I had, if I couldn't get more, I would abandon the vehicle and go via MTN bike from there. Because most vehicles nowadays are without a locking gas cap, syphoning others' fuel is not out of the question. I figure if they are not on the road with that vehicle already, by the time I need the fuel, then chances are that vehicle is not needed anyway. I wouldn't steal from vehicles I think may be needed by someone, though.

Horses are a good alternative. Cheyenne, WY is under 100 miles from me, and is along one of my evacuation routes, so I guess I could stop there & pick one up if needed.

Also, raiding neighbors' or peoples' sheds for lawnmower fuel is a good way to get some quickie gas in a hurry. It's also something most people probably wouldn't think of doing.

couchtr26 · 02-16-2007, 04:40 PM

I think the horse would be the nice. However, they are not the best over uneven terrain. I think the Mountain Bike would probably be the best overall.

CrazyIvan · 02-16-2007, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by couchtr26

I think the horse would be the best. However, they are not the best over uneven terrain. I think the Mountain Bike would probably be the best overall.

You also have to feed a horse. Regardless of how many Duke movies you watch, there isn't much hay or grass to be had in the southwestern states when you are trying to evacuate the suburban areas and then find yourself in the desert.

couchtr26 · 02-16-2007, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyIvan

You also have to feed a horse. Regardless of how many Duke movies you watch, there isn't much hay or grass to be had in the southwestern states when you are trying to evacuate the suburban areas and then find yourself in the desert.

I thought we had the vast hay fields of New Mexico. I mean hay as far as the eye could see and enough to feed horse and man. I'm being stupid. Yeah, feeding is a concern. It would be nice to not have to do manpower but I don't think it could be avoided.

SPOCAHP ANAR · 02-16-2007, 09:29 PM

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Mooseman684 · 02-16-2007, 09:48 PM

I guess I am Gonna have to Rope and break a Moose....They can go anywhere and they eat willow leaves and branches year round....And the Antlers make a great Gun Rack !!! (At least Until I get me a STILL going for fuel, or build a steamer car of Some sorts.)

Big Dog · 02-17-2007, 07:24 AM

Bugout Goats . . .

couchtr26 · 02-17-2007, 05:49 PM

A Red Ryder wagon pulled by a team of 30 rabbits.

Midas · 02-17-2007, 06:32 PM

I'd ride around on my bicycle, no gas needed, and I could get to places faster then on foot.

at4rxj · 02-17-2007, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by couchtr26

A Red Ryder wagon pulled by a team of 30 rabbits.

LMAO

Midas · 02-17-2007, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by couchtr26

A Red Ryder wagon pulled by a team of 30 rabbits.

Yeah, and if it got real bad, you could always eat 4 or 5 of the rabbits.

Big Dog · 02-18-2007, 06:57 AM

I was actually serious about the goats. A few folks on one of the Survival Forums I surf suggested them. They can wear packs, to help carry gear and supplies. They eat virtually anything - easier to feed than many critters. They can be used for milk and meat.

Me, I have my dual sport bike.

couchtr26 · 02-18-2007, 07:29 AM

I wasn't saying you weren't I was just trying to lighten things up. A dog could also work. It was used by natives prior to the horse and when doggie couldn't go any longer. It was dinner time. Though, I think I would prefer the goat in that aspect.

BattleRifleG3 · 02-19-2007, 07:32 PM

Subaru Outback with a bicycle. Good fuel efficiency and excellent off-road ability short of jacking a vehicle up. Wouldn't last forever under heavy duty, but for a period of SHTF I think it would do.

I'm off to a good start with the bicycle.

Stopper · 02-20-2007, 03:12 PM

Depends on where I need to go. Have a horse and am looking at adding some donkeys to the mix for a couple of reasons - they provide some darn good security - if they don't know a person, that person s in for a really big surprise, also good for coyotes and other critters it sees as a threat to the herd. They can haul alot of food, water, ammo and other stuff as well.

couchtr26 · 02-20-2007, 05:05 PM

Donkeys would be excellent.

I hadn't thought about that at all.

Deersniper · 02-21-2007, 07:57 PM

I think a horse and some goats would be a good idea. The horse will eat grass and find water, so will the goats and they can be used for food and milk. A bicycle would do also it is 99.98% efficient.

44fanatic · 02-27-2007, 10:35 AM

Don't rule out a diesel. You can drain fuel oil from home heating tanks, kerosene if you can find it and even vegetable oil in a pinch. When all else fails, the bicycle in the back.

BattleRifleG3 · 02-27-2007, 11:55 AM

I think a bicycle is one of the most underestimated disaster resources in existence. Anyone spending thousands on ammo and guns should make sure they have about $200 worth of bicycle per person.

02-16-2007, 12:12 PM	#1
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02-16-2007, 12:25 PM	#2
CrazyIvan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 2,360	Most vehicles would go between 200 and 450 miles on one tank. I would say that is a fairly good distance if you are trying to evacuate your existing location. Hopefully most people keep their tanks above half-full. I'd drive as far as I could on what fuel I had, if I couldn't get more, I would abandon the vehicle and go via MTN bike from there. Because most vehicles nowadays are without a locking gas cap, syphoning others' fuel is not out of the question. I figure if they are not on the road with that vehicle already, by the time I need the fuel, then chances are that vehicle is not needed anyway. I wouldn't steal from vehicles I think may be needed by someone, though. Horses are a good alternative. Cheyenne, WY is under 100 miles from me, and is along one of my evacuation routes, so I guess I could stop there & pick one up if needed. Also, raiding neighbors' or peoples' sheds for lawnmower fuel is a good way to get some quickie gas in a hurry. It's also something most people probably wouldn't think of doing. __________________ "Minimum wage, minimum effort." "Never underestimate the power of stupidity." ~Me Last edited by CrazyIvan; 02-16-2007 at 12:28 PM.

02-16-2007, 04:40 PM	#3
couchtr26 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 112	I think the horse would be the nice. However, they are not the best over uneven terrain. I think the Mountain Bike would probably be the best overall. Last edited by couchtr26; 02-16-2007 at 04:41 PM. Reason: Sounded stupid

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02-16-2007, 09:48 PM	#7
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,678 Images: 2	I guess I am Gonna have to Rope and break a Moose....They can go anywhere and they eat willow leaves and branches year round....And the Antlers make a great Gun Rack !!! (At least Until I get me a STILL going for fuel, or build a steamer car of Some sorts.) __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

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02-17-2007, 05:49 PM	#9
couchtr26 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 112	A Red Ryder wagon pulled by a team of 30 rabbits.

02-17-2007, 06:32 PM	#10
Midas Troll B' Gone Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Springdale, Arkansas Posts: 3,807 Images: 2 Blog Entries: 6	I'd ride around on my bicycle, no gas needed, and I could get to places faster then on foot.

02-18-2007, 06:57 AM	#13
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,219	I was actually serious about the goats. A few folks on one of the Survival Forums I surf suggested them. They can wear packs, to help carry gear and supplies. They eat virtually anything - easier to feed than many critters. They can be used for milk and meat. Me, I have my dual sport bike. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

02-18-2007, 07:29 AM	#14
couchtr26 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 112	I wasn't saying you weren't I was just trying to lighten things up. A dog could also work. It was used by natives prior to the horse and when doggie couldn't go any longer. It was dinner time. Though, I think I would prefer the goat in that aspect.

02-19-2007, 07:32 PM	#15
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	Subaru Outback with a bicycle. Good fuel efficiency and excellent off-road ability short of jacking a vehicle up. Wouldn't last forever under heavy duty, but for a period of SHTF I think it would do. I'm off to a good start with the bicycle. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

02-20-2007, 03:12 PM	#16
Stopper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansass Posts: 2,211 Images: 1	Depends on where I need to go. Have a horse and am looking at adding some donkeys to the mix for a couple of reasons - they provide some darn good security - if they don't know a person, that person s in for a really big surprise, also good for coyotes and other critters it sees as a threat to the herd. They can haul alot of food, water, ammo and other stuff as well. __________________ They should have stopped at "Congress shall make no law"

02-20-2007, 05:05 PM	#17
couchtr26 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 112	Donkeys would be excellent. I hadn't thought about that at all.

02-21-2007, 07:57 PM	#18
Deersniper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,690	No gas I think a horse and some goats would be a good idea. The horse will eat grass and find water, so will the goats and they can be used for food and milk. A bicycle would do also it is 99.98% efficient.

02-27-2007, 10:35 AM	#19
44fanatic Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6	Don't rule out a diesel. You can drain fuel oil from home heating tanks, kerosene if you can find it and even vegetable oil in a pinch. When all else fails, the bicycle in the back.

02-27-2007, 11:55 AM	#20
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	I think a bicycle is one of the most underestimated disaster resources in existence. Anyone spending thousands on ammo and guns should make sure they have about $200 worth of bicycle per person. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf