New Century Arms CETME owner question

jbthebuckeye · 04-02-2007, 06:50 PM

I'm new to the board and first time CETME owner. I just bought a Century Arms CETME sporter at a gun show this weekend for $399 plus tax. It came with 3- 20 rd steel mags. I think it was an ok deal as the gun seems to be in good condition, although I have not had a chance to fire it yet. I do have a question if I may. It has what seems to be a FAL muzzle break and bayonette lug (I will attempt to add images), is that what it is? Anyway I am still doing more research. Any comments welcome and appreciated.

just_a_car · 04-02-2007, 07:05 PM

First off, Welcome to G&G!

You're right, that does indeed appear to be an FAL flash hider on there. My guess is the previous owner either didn't like what what on there and cut it off, as it looks rather short, or it didn't have a flash hider to begin with.

Go take a look at my post about my little CETME problem-child: http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/g3-...-hold-out.html (I couldn't hold out)
I have pics there and a link in my post on 1-02-2007 at 10:50pm.

My CETME has the 12-hole muzzle break, rather than the flash hider.

Honestly, I like the look of the British FAL flash hider that you have installed. I was wanting to pick up an AES-10 and fit that flash hider to it; I think it would give it a Dragunov SVD look.

Hope that helps.

jbthebuckeye · 04-02-2007, 07:58 PM

Thanks for the reply and the welcome.
I will do some hardcore cleaning and get a few rounds down range this weekend. Range report to follow.
Oh yeah, so if I want to mount a bayo will it have to be one that fits the FAL???

just_a_car · 04-02-2007, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jbthebuckeye

Oh yeah, so if I want to mount a bayo will it have to be one that fits the FAL???

That's likely the case.

Dale · 04-02-2007, 11:07 PM

It doesn't resemble the flash hider on my CIA CETME.

I know when shooting mine the concusion is numbing.

Let us know how your's shoots.

Hopefully the previous owner has gotten all of the bugs worked outta yours.

They are great guns and you got a very respectable bargain.

Mooseman684 · 04-03-2007, 12:46 AM

That certainly looks like a Brake from an L1A1...Never seen one come from the factory like that, not that it couldnt have...The FAL bayonet I have will NOT work on that Brake/ flashhider. I don't think a regular Cetme Bayonet would either, but trying one is your best bet. I can give you the measurements if you need them !
Rich

just_a_car · 04-03-2007, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mooseman684

That certainly looks like a Brake from an L1A1...Never seen one come from the factory like that, not that it couldnt have...The FAL bayonet I have will NOT work on that Brake/ flashhider. I don't think a regular Cetme Bayonet would either, but trying one is your best bet. I can give you the measurements if you need them !
Rich

Yeah, the CETME bayo will definitely not work. And, personally, I think the tubular-handled FAL bayonets are some of the ugliest bayos I've ever seen... BUT, the L1A1's are pretty decent looking, but not easy to find, nor cheap. They are out there though: GunBroker.com Item 68875282 [Ends Apr-03-07 01:04:23 PM] Australian L1A1 FAL Bayonet w/scabbard

wolverine · 04-03-2007, 11:30 PM

400 bucks for a CETME is a steal. Ive seen them go as high as 800-850 on GB and AA. The factory bayo wont fit a century muzlle break ata ll. You can mod a M16 bayo to fit but it isnt easy.

SW

Big Dog · 04-04-2007, 05:19 AM

My factory CETME bayonets will mount with the Century MB, but they fit very loose and sloppy. If the FAL flash hider is standard NATO 22mm size, the bayo might fit on it, but you'd need the bayo lug cap that mounts on the front of the cocking tube.

Uncle Red · 04-06-2007, 12:01 PM

I bought a CETME about a year ago (private sale) with 4 G3 mags and one CETME mag, wood stocks and sling for $375. I shoot about 3" to 3 1/2" at 100 Yd. w/ iron sights. This winter I put an inexpensive Simmons 3-9x50 on top and added the bayo lug w/ cleaning tube (Centerfire Systems - $7.97). Have not had a chance to take her out to sight in the scope yet. I'm hopping to shrink my groups now.

I agree w/ Wolverine $400 is a pretty good price. Now, how dose she shoot?

-UR

P.S. Did I mention it was a private sale?

jbthebuckeye · 04-06-2007, 08:31 PM

Well I couldn't wait until the weekend and took off work early today to run a few rounds thru my new CETME. I have to say that I think it's going to be a really nice rifle. I used 40 rounds of the South African 7.62x51mm ammo. It was about 35 degrees and blowing snow. At 50 yards it grouped well although it is about 6"-8" high with the 100 yard iron sight, and worse with the 200 yard peep. The windage is right on. I moved to the 100 yard range and still it was grouping well but still high, say 4"-6" with the 100 yard iron sight, and again worse with the 200 yard peep. I was able to compensate and keep in the black, but came home and ordered the CETME sight tool to correct the elevation. The recoil is not bad at all, but it's **** loud! 1 out of 3 steel mags failed to chamber the final round, so I think they'll be fine as well, maybe some cleaning. Overall I'm pretty satisfied for the money, if the elevation will correct.
As for the bayonet....after some more research I believe it is a British L1A1 FAL muzzel break, so I ordered a British L1A3 bayonet pictured as it should fit. I added a pic of a British L1A1 FAL SLR showing the muzzle break I believe I have on my CETME.

jbthebuckeye · 04-16-2007, 06:42 PM

Ok...so here's the issue. While firing the CETME every now and again it will fire 2 rounds in rapid succession. This olny seems to happen when I apply slow and steady pressure to the trigger...no jerk at all. It will fire correctly, one round at a time, for 5-10 rounds.....then for no apparent reason TAP-TAP two rounds from one trigger pull. If I pull the trigger very rapidly it never seems to happen.
I know I will have to take it to a smith to be fixed...but has anyone had this happen before? Any help appreciated.
Other then this malfunction the gun shoots great.

just_a_car · 04-16-2007, 07:23 PM

Sounds like you might just be inadvertantly doing a bump-fire, as described/seen here: http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/sks...slam-fire.html (video of bump/slam fire)

Your hand may still be 'squeezing' after the recoil of the rifle forces the trigger back past where it can 'reset' and as your hand/finger finishes squeezing, it fires the second shot.

May not be a smith-necessary issue, but it's the first I've heard of a CETME doing this.

wolverine · 05-06-2007, 03:37 PM

Did you clean the firing pin channel? Its not easy to take the bolt apart to do it but it is a possibility you have crud in there that is jamming the firing pin once in a while. Try sprying the whole botl down with strong brake cleaner and let it air dry. Re-oil and try again.

SW

knightRider · 05-06-2007, 04:46 PM

where can you buy these i want one?

BFRANKlin · 05-18-2007, 09:33 PM

The CETME must be absolutely clean and grease free, especially the fluted chamber. Then only lightly oil the sliding parts. Mine has the standard bayo mounts and shorty flash hider. Shoots good and seems accurate enough. Only stop came from surplus ammo that had been near a house fire, with a singed wood box, 2 or 3 blackened box edges. It locked the carrier back tight but released before the stock was all the way off. Just a glitch?

cz777 · 05-28-2007, 07:52 PM

look up about the bolt gap -this one is **** to pay for !slap bolt to locking ,no ammo used next pull trigger ,next go to mag well with feeler gauge set check gap below .010'' you got troubles the rollers must be replaced next size up or more ..cia has cut the backs of bolts to fool you too its abit rounded on the back side .please read about this at cetmehomepage !if all is good have fun!!

knightRider · 05-31-2007, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by knightRider

where can you buy these i want one?

dang it i want one !!

just_a_car · 05-31-2007, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by knightRider

dang it i want one !!

They got 'em on Gunbroker.com. That's where I got mine (I couldn't hold out).

rocketmonty · 06-26-2007, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jbthebuckeye

Ok...so here's the issue. While firing the CETME every now and again it will fire 2 rounds in rapid succession. This olny seems to happen when I apply slow and steady pressure to the trigger...no jerk at all. It will fire correctly, one round at a time, for 5-10 rounds.....then for no apparent reason TAP-TAP two rounds from one trigger pull. If I pull the trigger very rapidly it never seems to happen.
I know I will have to take it to a smith to be fixed...but has anyone had this happen before? Any help appreciated.
Other then this malfunction the gun shoots great.

sometimes the lower grip needs to be re-check on the sear engagement ,that they alter/restrick from f/a fire . keep in mind that this ones are or use to be f/a.so they restrick the sear/lever/selector pattern. t

04-02-2007, 11:07 PM	#5
Dale Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Too Dang Hot, Arizona Posts: 4,284 Trader Rating: (0)	It doesn't resemble the flash hider on my CIA CETME. I know when shooting mine the concusion is numbing. Let us know how your's shoots. Hopefully the previous owner has gotten all of the bugs worked outta yours. They are great guns and you got a very respectable bargain. __________________ "It confuses me how some people can vigorously go against the 2nd. Amendment and still call themselves patriotic"-me

04-03-2007, 12:46 AM	#6
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,266 Trader Rating: (0)	That certainly looks like a Brake from an L1A1...Never seen one come from the factory like that, not that it couldnt have...The FAL bayonet I have will NOT work on that Brake/ flashhider. I don't think a regular Cetme Bayonet would either, but trying one is your best bet. I can give you the measurements if you need them ! Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

04-03-2007, 11:30 PM	#8
wolverine Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 132 Trader Rating: (0)	400 bucks for a CETME is a steal. Ive seen them go as high as 800-850 on GB and AA. The factory bayo wont fit a century muzlle break ata ll. You can mod a M16 bayo to fit but it isnt easy. SW __________________ http://snfwtp.blogspot.com/

04-04-2007, 05:19 AM	#9
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,067 Trader Rating: (0)	My factory CETME bayonets will mount with the Century MB, but they fit very loose and sloppy. If the FAL flash hider is standard NATO 22mm size, the bayo might fit on it, but you'd need the bayo lug cap that mounts on the front of the cocking tube. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

04-06-2007, 12:01 PM	#10
Uncle Red Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 547 Trader Rating: (0)	I bought a CETME about a year ago (private sale) with 4 G3 mags and one CETME mag, wood stocks and sling for $375. I shoot about 3" to 3 1/2" at 100 Yd. w/ iron sights. This winter I put an inexpensive Simmons 3-9x50 on top and added the bayo lug w/ cleaning tube (Centerfire Systems - $7.97). Have not had a chance to take her out to sight in the scope yet. I'm hopping to shrink my groups now. I agree w/ Wolverine $400 is a pretty good price. Now, how dose she shoot? -UR P.S. Did I mention it was a private sale? __________________ "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed"--Amendment II, Bill of Rights "He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."--Thomas Paine "He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one." - Jesus, Luke 22:36

04-02-2007, 07:05 PM	#2
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,414 Trader Rating: (0)	First off, Welcome to G&G! You're right, that does indeed appear to be an FAL flash hider on there. My guess is the previous owner either didn't like what what on there and cut it off, as it looks rather short, or it didn't have a flash hider to begin with. Go take a look at my post about my little CETME problem-child: http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/g3-...-hold-out.html (I couldn't hold out) I have pics there and a link in my post on 1-02-2007 at 10:50pm. My CETME has the 12-hole muzzle break, rather than the flash hider. Honestly, I like the look of the British FAL flash hider that you have installed. I was wanting to pick up an AES-10 and fit that flash hider to it; I think it would give it a Dragunov SVD look. Hope that helps.

04-02-2007, 07:58 PM	#3
jbthebuckeye Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4 Trader Rating: (0)	Thanks for the reply and the welcome. I will do some hardcore cleaning and get a few rounds down range this weekend. Range report to follow. Oh yeah, so if I want to mount a bayo will it have to be one that fits the FAL???

04-16-2007, 06:42 PM	#12
jbthebuckeye Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4 Trader Rating: (0)	Problem with the CETME Ok...so here's the issue. While firing the CETME every now and again it will fire 2 rounds in rapid succession. This olny seems to happen when I apply slow and steady pressure to the trigger...no jerk at all. It will fire correctly, one round at a time, for 5-10 rounds.....then for no apparent reason TAP-TAP two rounds from one trigger pull. If I pull the trigger very rapidly it never seems to happen. I know I will have to take it to a smith to be fixed...but has anyone had this happen before? Any help appreciated. Other then this malfunction the gun shoots great.

04-16-2007, 07:23 PM	#13
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,414 Trader Rating: (0)	Sounds like you might just be inadvertantly doing a bump-fire, as described/seen here: http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/sks...slam-fire.html (video of bump/slam fire) Your hand may still be 'squeezing' after the recoil of the rifle forces the trigger back past where it can 'reset' and as your hand/finger finishes squeezing, it fires the second shot. May not be a smith-necessary issue, but it's the first I've heard of a CETME doing this. __________________

05-06-2007, 03:37 PM	#14
wolverine Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 132 Trader Rating: (0)	Did you clean the firing pin channel? Its not easy to take the bolt apart to do it but it is a possibility you have crud in there that is jamming the firing pin once in a while. Try sprying the whole botl down with strong brake cleaner and let it air dry. Re-oil and try again. SW __________________ http://snfwtp.blogspot.com/

05-06-2007, 04:46 PM	#15
knightRider Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: you know where Posts: 2,588 Trader Rating: (0)	where can you buy these i want one? __________________ I'm part kalishnakov, part heckler and Koch.

05-18-2007, 09:33 PM	#16
BFRANKlin Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Southern Ohio Posts: 258 Trader Rating: (0)	The CETME must be absolutely clean and grease free, especially the fluted chamber. Then only lightly oil the sliding parts. Mine has the standard bayo mounts and shorty flash hider. Shoots good and seems accurate enough. Only stop came from surplus ammo that had been near a house fire, with a singed wood box, 2 or 3 blackened box edges. It locked the carrier back tight but released before the stock was all the way off. Just a glitch?

05-28-2007, 07:52 PM	#17
cz777 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 20 Trader Rating: (0)	cetme look up about the bolt gap -this one is **** to pay for !slap bolt to locking ,no ammo used next pull trigger ,next go to mag well with feeler gauge set check gap below .010'' you got troubles the rollers must be replaced next size up or more ..cia has cut the backs of bolts to fool you too its abit rounded on the back side .please read about this at cetmehomepage !if all is good have fun!!