newbie question

cubbieman · 05-21-2007, 02:02 PM

what exactly is the difference in a magazine and a clip? i know pistols use magazines, but dont know what the qualifying factors are exactly

Mooseman684 · 05-21-2007, 02:28 PM

A clip is what a Garand uses, or in the case of stripper clips, what you use to load the magazines with...A magazine is the spring loaded self contained bullet container that is either built into the gun, or being detachable and changeable, becomes part of the gun in order for it to function. Magazines can be straight, curved or Tubular or Drums...

cubbieman · 05-21-2007, 02:31 PM

so clips just dont have springs?

SilverRun · 05-21-2007, 02:43 PM

right, clips are simply cartridge holders used to load magazines - usually built in mags like an SKS or Garand. They are typically just simple strips of metal.

cubbieman · 05-21-2007, 03:27 PM

ok thanks guys

just_a_car · 05-21-2007, 04:45 PM

Here's a quick easy to read/understand article regarding/answering this question: The Gun Zone -- Primer on Clips and Magazines

Don't forget moon clips for revolvers.

cubbieman · 05-21-2007, 06:09 PM

great link

dceptiv240 · 05-21-2007, 06:16 PM

welcome, these guys are great you should know everything you need to by the time you can get your "baby"

cubbieman · 05-21-2007, 06:46 PM

would it be legal for me to do this(i have to put it in steps, i typed it in sentence form and it didn't make sense):

1)give a friend who is of age money to buy a gun(hear me out, i know this sounds illegal)
2)he buys a gun and keeps it at his house, treats it as his own, and i only take it while supervised(so technically it's a supervised loan)
3)when i am old enough to legally own it he gives it to me

JoeLee · 05-21-2007, 07:00 PM

I cant my one finger is tired now Google it.

cubbieman · 05-21-2007, 07:11 PM

i've tried finding it on google and i think it is legal from what i've found there i just wanted to make sure

lefty o · 05-21-2007, 07:44 PM

look up "strawman purchases". i personally dont object to what you want to do, but it most likely would be considered illegal by the ATF.

i enjoy reading magazines!

Mooseman684 · 05-21-2007, 08:08 PM

READ CAREFULLY !!!

Actually , you can have your friend buy the gun in his name, and he keeps the gun at his home ,in his possession...Legally, it is his gun. So as long as he doesn't screw you in the deal this will be legal. You can accompany him and shoot the gun, He cannot "Loan You" the gun,he must retain possesion until you are of age. Then, he can sell you the gun for 10 dollars (Alaska Rules) and it becomes your gun to own.
If you give him the money, less 10 dollars to purchase, then he has legal ownership claim and right of ownership, until you pay the balance when you become of age.
Again ,He LEGALLY owns the gun, NOT YOU.
It is a matter of trust....
THIS IS THE ONLY LEGAL WAY Neither of you can be charged with a STRAW purchase and meet Alaska Law requirements in a property exchange.
Rich

just_a_car · 05-21-2007, 08:11 PM

Best thing to do here cubbieman, since this is something that could lead to jail time and financial loss if you're "in the wrong" by law, is to ask a competant lawyer. That way, if the BATFE comes a'knockin' regarding this, then you call said lawyer and he or she will already have looked into it and be ready to defend you.

cubbieman · 05-21-2007, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mooseman684

READ CAREFULLY !!!

Actually , you can have your friend buy the gun in his name, and he keeps the gun at his home ,in his possession...Legally, it is his gun. So as long as he doesn't screw you in the deal this will be legal. You can accompany him and shoot the gun, He cannot "Loan You" the gun,he must retain possesion until you are of age. Then, he can sell you the gun for 10 dollars (Alaska Rules) and it becomes your gun to own.
If you give him the money, less 10 dollars to purchase, then he has legal ownership claim and right of ownership, until you pay the balance when you become of age.
Again ,He LEGALLY owns the gun, NOT YOU.
It is a matter of trust....
THIS IS THE ONLY LEGAL WAY Neither of you can be charged with a STRAW purchase and meet Alaska Law requirements in a property exchange.
Rich

that's what i thought, even if i did get ripped off(which i wouldn't) it would be worth the $$ to have an extra gun to shoot at the range since he takes me with him almost every time he goes, and i really wouldn't go much without him if it was in my name at my house anyways

just_a_car-i'll probably do that, the lawyer thing assuming i can find one to do it without spending much money

Mooseman684 · 05-21-2007, 09:27 PM

Quote excerpt..."if it was in my name at my house anyways"....

Then you would be violating the Law, by being in possession of a Handgun
( Alaska laws states"Concealable Weapon") By being Underage...
Again...HE MUST KEEP THE WEAPON IN HIS POSSESSION Or CONTROL UNTIL YOU COME OF AGE and HE CAN LEGALLY SELL YOU THE GUN ! NO OTHER WAY !!! Its Not worth the risk if this person is not a parent or guardian.

He can take you shooting and let you use the gun at the range, but he has to keep the weapon when finished...PERIOD !!!
Rich

dceptiv240 · 05-21-2007, 09:31 PM

tell your parents you will pay for them to buy a family gun if they will just take you shooting!

cubbieman · 05-21-2007, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mooseman684

Quote excerpt..."if it was in my name at my house anyways"....

Then you would be violating the Law, by being in possession of a Handgun
( Alaska laws states"Concealable Weapon") By being Underage...
Again...HE MUST KEEP THE WEAPON IN HIS POSSESSION Or CONTROL UNTIL YOU COME OF AGE and HE CAN LEGALLY SELL YOU THE GUN ! NO OTHER WAY !!! Its Not worth the risk if this person is not a parent or guardian.

He can take you shooting and let you use the gun at the range, but he has to keep the weapon when finished...PERIOD !!!
Rich

i was meaning if it was legal to do that and it was mine i wouldn't take it out much more than i go with him anyways, shoulda said that clearer

Quote:

tell your parents you will pay for them to buy a family gun if they will just take you shooting!

my parents are the type of people who say they're going to do something, have plans to do it, and then never do it

dceptiv240 · 05-21-2007, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cubbieman

my parents are the type of people who say they're going to do something, have plans to do it, and then never do it

i bet if you tell them your about to give your buddy the money to put it in his name and keep it "for you"... they'll do it!

cubbieman · 05-22-2007, 03:51 AM

he's more like a brother than a friend, he's close enough that i would almost buy him a gun and just have him let me shoot it. and I trust him as much as I trust my parents for something like this. his wife and my mom are also very close friends so I'll take my odds. if i liked guns you can get at 18(are AK-47s and the like in that or do you have to be 21 for "assault weapons"), i'd say sure, but by the time i'm 21 my parents will probably move back to their house in IL and I'll stay here(no point in wasting time there when i can have more job opportunities and guns and less taxes here) and he's got a steady job here so he's gonna be here for a long time. It also may matter that i'm not giving it to some 21 yr old i just met, he's 26, and settled down with a wife and kid and i've known him for almost 3 yrs(not as long as it could be, but enough to trust him with a few hundred bucks)

05-21-2007, 02:02 PM	#1
cubbieman Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 1,481	newbie question what exactly is the difference in a magazine and a clip? i know pistols use magazines, but dont know what the qualifying factors are exactly

05-21-2007, 02:28 PM	#2
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,668 Images: 2	A clip is what a Garand uses, or in the case of stripper clips, what you use to load the magazines with...A magazine is the spring loaded self contained bullet container that is either built into the gun, or being detachable and changeable, becomes part of the gun in order for it to function. Magazines can be straight, curved or Tubular or Drums... __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

05-21-2007, 04:45 PM	#6
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,518	Here's a quick easy to read/understand article regarding/answering this question: The Gun Zone -- Primer on Clips and Magazines Don't forget moon clips for revolvers. __________________

05-21-2007, 06:16 PM	#8
dceptiv240 Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: south ALABAMA Posts: 260	welcome, these guys are great you should know everything you need to by the time you can get your "baby" __________________ ________[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Ruger Redhawk .44 mag w/Simmons 2-6x32 "FREEDOM SHOULD APPLY TO EVERYTHING, AND EVERYONE!"

05-21-2007, 08:08 PM	#13
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,668 Images: 2	READ CAREFULLY !!! Actually , you can have your friend buy the gun in his name, and he keeps the gun at his home ,in his possession...Legally, it is his gun. So as long as he doesn't screw you in the deal this will be legal. You can accompany him and shoot the gun, He cannot "Loan You" the gun,he must retain possesion until you are of age. Then, he can sell you the gun for 10 dollars (Alaska Rules) and it becomes your gun to own. If you give him the money, less 10 dollars to purchase, then he has legal ownership claim and right of ownership, until you pay the balance when you become of age. Again ,He LEGALLY owns the gun, NOT YOU. It is a matter of trust.... THIS IS THE ONLY LEGAL WAY Neither of you can be charged with a STRAW purchase and meet Alaska Law requirements in a property exchange. Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

05-21-2007, 02:31 PM	#3
cubbieman Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 1,481	so clips just dont have springs?

05-21-2007, 02:43 PM	#4
SilverRun Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: AL Posts: 1,661	right, clips are simply cartridge holders used to load magazines - usually built in mags like an SKS or Garand. They are typically just simple strips of metal.

05-21-2007, 03:27 PM	#5
cubbieman Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 1,481	ok thanks guys

05-21-2007, 06:09 PM	#7
cubbieman Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 1,481	great link

05-21-2007, 06:46 PM	#9
cubbieman Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 1,481	would it be legal for me to do this(i have to put it in steps, i typed it in sentence form and it didn't make sense): 1)give a friend who is of age money to buy a gun(hear me out, i know this sounds illegal) 2)he buys a gun and keeps it at his house, treats it as his own, and i only take it while supervised(so technically it's a supervised loan) 3)when i am old enough to legally own it he gives it to me

05-21-2007, 07:00 PM	#10
JoeLee Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North New York State. Posts: 1,241	I cant my one finger is tired now Google it.

05-21-2007, 07:11 PM	#11
cubbieman Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 1,481	i've tried finding it on google and i think it is legal from what i've found there i just wanted to make sure

05-21-2007, 07:44 PM	#12
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,789	look up "strawman purchases". i personally dont object to what you want to do, but it most likely would be considered illegal by the ATF. i enjoy reading magazines!

05-21-2007, 08:11 PM	#14
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,518	Best thing to do here cubbieman, since this is something that could lead to jail time and financial loss if you're "in the wrong" by law, is to ask a competant lawyer. That way, if the BATFE comes a'knockin' regarding this, then you call said lawyer and he or she will already have looked into it and be ready to defend you. __________________

05-21-2007, 09:27 PM	#16
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,668 Images: 2	Quote excerpt..."if it was in my name at my house anyways".... Then you would be violating the Law, by being in possession of a Handgun ( Alaska laws states"Concealable Weapon") By being Underage... Again...HE MUST KEEP THE WEAPON IN HIS POSSESSION Or CONTROL UNTIL YOU COME OF AGE and HE CAN LEGALLY SELL YOU THE GUN ! NO OTHER WAY !!! Its Not worth the risk if this person is not a parent or guardian. He can take you shooting and let you use the gun at the range, but he has to keep the weapon when finished...PERIOD !!! Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

05-21-2007, 09:31 PM	#17
dceptiv240 Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: south ALABAMA Posts: 260	tell your parents you will pay for them to buy a family gun if they will just take you shooting! __________________ ________[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Ruger Redhawk .44 mag w/Simmons 2-6x32 "FREEDOM SHOULD APPLY TO EVERYTHING, AND EVERYONE!"

05-22-2007, 03:51 AM	#20
cubbieman Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 1,481	he's more like a brother than a friend, he's close enough that i would almost buy him a gun and just have him let me shoot it. and I trust him as much as I trust my parents for something like this. his wife and my mom are also very close friends so I'll take my odds. if i liked guns you can get at 18(are AK-47s and the like in that or do you have to be 21 for "assault weapons"), i'd say sure, but by the time i'm 21 my parents will probably move back to their house in IL and I'll stay here(no point in wasting time there when i can have more job opportunities and guns and less taxes here) and he's got a steady job here so he's gonna be here for a long time. It also may matter that i'm not giving it to some 21 yr old i just met, he's 26, and settled down with a wife and kid and i've known him for almost 3 yrs(not as long as it could be, but enough to trust him with a few hundred bucks)