Instinctive Shooting

tbonecpk · 06-22-2007, 03:00 PM

For those who know me I am very much a competitive shooter but I have started to gain an interest in Instinctive shooting. So does anyone know how I may be able to gain training in this style of shooting? I think this would complement my long range shooting skills greatly.

bigandrich44 · 06-22-2007, 03:02 PM

IF its what I'm thinking of, yes I do it. I throw a 12 guage shotgun shell as high as I can, and try to hit it with a Red Ryder BB gun. Works wonders for your shotgunning skills.

tbonecpk · 06-22-2007, 03:04 PM

here is a video of what I am talkin about

YouTube - M14 Instinctive Shooting Drills 3

JoeLee · 06-22-2007, 03:15 PM

Instinctive shooting was the way the American Indian would shoot a rifle,he would remove anything from the rifle he thought added weight,sights being one.I was into it in the 50s I remember it's all in the eyes,looking down the barrel and rang estimation.Shooting from the hip is another story but some of the old exhibition shooters were experts doing it.

ArkansasHunter · 06-22-2007, 04:05 PM

I watched the Taurus 24/7 pro video and enjoyed that too.

ezearln · 06-22-2007, 06:09 PM

We taught instictive combat shotgun from the hip out to 25 yards if you get the tactics right it's devastating!

lefty o · 06-22-2007, 08:22 PM

i believe instinctive shooting is probably best learned with a shotgun. when shooting moving targets with a shotgun, the sights are not used, at least if you want to hit what your LOOKING at. i dont think instinctive shooting will really help much for long range shooting, but it will greatly improve your ability to hit a close target fast.

tbonecpk · 06-22-2007, 09:15 PM

that's what I ment. Basicly I would like to be more effective both at close range and long range

Doctor Larry K · 07-01-2007, 09:00 AM

Is "instinctive shooting" and "point shooting" the same thing ? I acquired a little expertise in close quarters "point shooting" while on a police pistol shooting team when I was a patrolman (many years ago). It has pretty much stayed with me. I find it effective up to 10 yards. I can't say it has helped my long range shooting.
However, in my line of work, the point shooting techniques I learned years ago have been very valuable.

Doc

Full MeTal Jack · 07-01-2007, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigandrich44

IF its what I'm thinking of, yes I do it. I throw a 12 guage shotgun shell as high as I can, and try to hit it with a Red Ryder BB gun. Works wonders for your shotgunning skills.

So if you hit the primer, it works wonders for your GET THE HECK OUT OF THE WAY skills

bigandrich44 · 07-01-2007, 09:58 AM

FMJ, it's empty lol. I can't see how instinctive shooting can help your long distance skills. You'll have time to set up if the Tango is at 900 yards, but if he's at 90, that's a different story.

Full MeTal Jack · 07-01-2007, 01:04 PM

troy2000 · 07-01-2007, 09:14 PM

Looks like what my dad used to call, "point and shoot." He always said that if you were comfortable with your weapon, all you had to do was look where you wanted the bullet to go and it would get there...

Summerleas · 07-02-2007, 12:19 PM

First off I want to say I do not believe that video of the M14 was instictive shooting. The guy looked as if he was using his red dot sight every shot. Head down on the stock instead if up and straight. My only experience is with pistols and shotguns. Like every one said, the best way to kill something with a shotgun is the point and shoot method...same method they taught in the army years ago...point with your support hands index finger at the target and shoot. Pistols are about the same way...I train at home when watching TV with an airsoft gun. Point and shoot and ignore the sights. When I get outside I do the same with my pistol and have suprised myself with the accuracy, especially with an ergonomically correct gun. Just practice in whatever form you can and eventually the muscle memory will be there in a time of need. Shoot safe.

JoeLee · 07-02-2007, 02:20 PM

Somehow I see people thinking snap-shooting,equates with instinctive shooting it doesn't.Take a rifle without sights aim only with the eyes,at a target in the distance and connect,like say at 100yds or longer.That is instinctive shooting.Heck a blindfolded person can take a sound-shot with a shotgun,and 9 times out of 10 hit the sounder at 25 or 50'.

BFRANKlin · 08-14-2007, 10:33 PM

In my youth I was very good with a longbow. With no training and little experience, I could easily hit the bullseye no matter the distance.
Instinct is a natural proclivity to do something well that others must practice at to become proficient in. It can't be 'taught' and don't have to be learned, it comes naturally. There ARE people who can shoot a gun with little to no practice, and can hit things a pro would have difficulty doing. Others have to practice, practice, practice. For some, certain things come naturally. It's almost uncanny.Some can sing, throw rocks or baseballs, ice or roller skate, drive cars or ride bicycles. Others can't without trial and errors. Annie Oakley, Elmer Keith and Bill Jordan were natural shooters, for instance.

gary jp4 · 11-01-2007, 08:24 AM

I know this thread is old but I was searching for the same thing and in case any else is looking this is what I found.

There is a guy in Texas by the name of Loen Measures that teaches instinctive shooting. Contact Us -- ShootWhereYouLook.com He uses a BB gun for part of the training. He can shoot an aspirin or a BB out of the air with the BB gun and has students hitting a BB at 20 feet and a rolling tennis ball in one hour. Apparently with a little more time he has some of them hitting the aspirin in the air

Daisy made several BB gun models for the US military for this porpoise with out sights and with a high comb full size stock for cheek mounting so you could look over the barrel. One was called the "Quick Kill".

AIR GUNS USA
Quick Kill

gary jp4 · 11-01-2007, 08:24 PM

Chief AJ is another good source for a book, and DVD that comes with a special Daisy BB gun made for him by Daisy, the "Chief AJ Special Edition Instinctive Shooting BB Gun". All for under $100. The gun is pretty close to a Daisy Red Ryder that he has Daisy build for him with an adult stock set up to allow looking over the barrel kind of like the military Daisy 95 B. I am going to try one.

Chief AJ is a instinctive shooter, instructor, Cherokee Indian, an ex-marine, US Olympic shooter, wing shooting record holder, champion body builder, and Indian Christian spiritual leader (ordained minister) among other things.

He also teach kids and adults to shoot small things thrown into the air like paint balls with a BB. Read all about it.

Instinct Shooting

06-22-2007, 03:00 PM	#1
tbonecpk Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Diego Cal Posts: 1,584 Trader Rating: (0)	Instinctive Shooting For those who know me I am very much a competitive shooter but I have started to gain an interest in Instinctive shooting. So does anyone know how I may be able to gain training in this style of shooting? I think this would complement my long range shooting skills greatly. __________________ "Speak softly but carry a big stick" -Teddy Roosevelt

06-22-2007, 03:02 PM	#2
bigandrich44 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,013 Trader Rating: (0)	IF its what I'm thinking of, yes I do it. I throw a 12 guage shotgun shell as high as I can, and try to hit it with a Red Ryder BB gun. Works wonders for your shotgunning skills. __________________ http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1...eehobosig9.png

06-22-2007, 03:04 PM	#3
tbonecpk Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Diego Cal Posts: 1,584 Trader Rating: (0)	here is a video of what I am talkin about YouTube - M14 Instinctive Shooting Drills 3 __________________ "Speak softly but carry a big stick" -Teddy Roosevelt

06-22-2007, 06:09 PM	#6
ezearln Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 3,178 Trader Rating: (0)	We taught instictive combat shotgun from the hip out to 25 yards if you get the tactics right it's devastating! __________________ "You can have my Freedom when I'm done with it!"

06-22-2007, 09:15 PM	#8
tbonecpk Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Diego Cal Posts: 1,584 Trader Rating: (0)	that's what I ment. Basicly I would like to be more effective both at close range and long range __________________ "Speak softly but carry a big stick" -Teddy Roosevelt

06-22-2007, 03:15 PM	#4
JoeLee Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North New York State. Posts: 1,241 Trader Rating: (0)	Instinctive shooting was the way the American Indian would shoot a rifle,he would remove anything from the rifle he thought added weight,sights being one.I was into it in the 50s I remember it's all in the eyes,looking down the barrel and rang estimation.Shooting from the hip is another story but some of the old exhibition shooters were experts doing it.

06-22-2007, 04:05 PM	#5
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,531 Trader Rating: (0)	I watched the Taurus 24/7 pro video and enjoyed that too.

06-22-2007, 08:22 PM	#7
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,695 Trader Rating: (0)	i believe instinctive shooting is probably best learned with a shotgun. when shooting moving targets with a shotgun, the sights are not used, at least if you want to hit what your LOOKING at. i dont think instinctive shooting will really help much for long range shooting, but it will greatly improve your ability to hit a close target fast.

07-01-2007, 09:00 AM	#9
Doctor Larry K Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Palm Springs, Calif. Posts: 405 Trader Rating: (0)	Is "instinctive shooting" and "point shooting" the same thing ? I acquired a little expertise in close quarters "point shooting" while on a police pistol shooting team when I was a patrolman (many years ago). It has pretty much stayed with me. I find it effective up to 10 yards. I can't say it has helped my long range shooting. However, in my line of work, the point shooting techniques I learned years ago have been very valuable. Doc

07-01-2007, 09:58 AM	#11
bigandrich44 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,013 Trader Rating: (0)	FMJ, it's empty lol. I can't see how instinctive shooting can help your long distance skills. You'll have time to set up if the Tango is at 900 yards, but if he's at 90, that's a different story. __________________ http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1...eehobosig9.png

07-01-2007, 01:04 PM	#12
Full MeTal Jack Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 1,421 Trader Rating: (0)	__________________ [IMG]http://img287.echo.cx/img287/63/9130110x100a4vb.jpg

07-01-2007, 09:14 PM	#13
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 9,140 Trader Rating: (0)	Looks like what my dad used to call, "point and shoot." He always said that if you were comfortable with your weapon, all you had to do was look where you wanted the bullet to go and it would get there... __________________ If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. -Anatole France

07-02-2007, 12:19 PM	#14
Summerleas Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 28 Trader Rating: (0)	First off I want to say I do not believe that video of the M14 was instictive shooting. The guy looked as if he was using his red dot sight every shot. Head down on the stock instead if up and straight. My only experience is with pistols and shotguns. Like every one said, the best way to kill something with a shotgun is the point and shoot method...same method they taught in the army years ago...point with your support hands index finger at the target and shoot. Pistols are about the same way...I train at home when watching TV with an airsoft gun. Point and shoot and ignore the sights. When I get outside I do the same with my pistol and have suprised myself with the accuracy, especially with an ergonomically correct gun. Just practice in whatever form you can and eventually the muscle memory will be there in a time of need. Shoot safe.

07-02-2007, 02:20 PM	#15
JoeLee Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North New York State. Posts: 1,241 Trader Rating: (0)	Somehow I see people thinking snap-shooting,equates with instinctive shooting it doesn't.Take a rifle without sights aim only with the eyes,at a target in the distance and connect,like say at 100yds or longer.That is instinctive shooting.Heck a blindfolded person can take a sound-shot with a shotgun,and 9 times out of 10 hit the sounder at 25 or 50'. Last edited by JoeLee; 07-02-2007 at 02:23 PM.

08-14-2007, 10:33 PM	#16
BFRANKlin Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Southern Ohio Posts: 258 Trader Rating: (0)	In my youth I was very good with a longbow. With no training and little experience, I could easily hit the bullseye no matter the distance. Instinct is a natural proclivity to do something well that others must practice at to become proficient in. It can't be 'taught' and don't have to be learned, it comes naturally. There ARE people who can shoot a gun with little to no practice, and can hit things a pro would have difficulty doing. Others have to practice, practice, practice. For some, certain things come naturally. It's almost uncanny.Some can sing, throw rocks or baseballs, ice or roller skate, drive cars or ride bicycles. Others can't without trial and errors. Annie Oakley, Elmer Keith and Bill Jordan were natural shooters, for instance.

11-01-2007, 08:24 AM	#17
gary jp4 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Nashville Posts: 2 Trader Rating: (0)	I know this thread is old but I was searching for the same thing and in case any else is looking this is what I found. There is a guy in Texas by the name of Loen Measures that teaches instinctive shooting. Contact Us -- ShootWhereYouLook.com He uses a BB gun for part of the training. He can shoot an aspirin or a BB out of the air with the BB gun and has students hitting a BB at 20 feet and a rolling tennis ball in one hour. Apparently with a little more time he has some of them hitting the aspirin in the air Daisy made several BB gun models for the US military for this porpoise with out sights and with a high comb full size stock for cheek mounting so you could look over the barrel. One was called the "Quick Kill". AIR GUNS USA Quick Kill

11-01-2007, 08:24 PM	#18
gary jp4 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Nashville Posts: 2 Trader Rating: (0)	Chief AJ is another good source for a book, and DVD that comes with a special Daisy BB gun made for him by Daisy, the "Chief AJ Special Edition Instinctive Shooting BB Gun". All for under $100. The gun is pretty close to a Daisy Red Ryder that he has Daisy build for him with an adult stock set up to allow looking over the barrel kind of like the military Daisy 95 B. I am going to try one. Chief AJ is a instinctive shooter, instructor, Cherokee Indian, an ex-marine, US Olympic shooter, wing shooting record holder, champion body builder, and Indian Christian spiritual leader (ordained minister) among other things. He also teach kids and adults to shoot small things thrown into the air like paint balls with a BB. Read all about it. Instinct Shooting