cz 82 C&R status??

Tex in Maine · 08-11-2007, 02:14 PM

Well I won a bid on a cz 82 on gunbroker. and when I e-mailed the guy saying I had sent my payment and copy of C&R he had a cow..NO C&R, FFL ONLY!!! well I checked my book and the ATF website and he is right cz 82 is not listed anywhere, so how can AIM, SOG and J&G Sales offer it as C&R??

SPOCAHP ANAR · 08-11-2007, 02:30 PM

Beats me. Email the atf and ask for clarification. Have him do also.

Tex in Maine · 08-11-2007, 03:20 PM

I have already sent gundealers FFL just to get the ball rolling, but I will check into it further, Paul is good to his regulars and only charges $10 for transfer, still made out $20 cheaper than if I got it at AIM

toolman · 08-11-2007, 04:07 PM

According to Centerfire Systems site, they ARE C&R eligible. I would contact the ATF just to be safe though.

shrub · 08-11-2007, 04:13 PM

i think they may have becom eligible and the ATF has not updated the list on their website.

SilverRun · 08-11-2007, 05:12 PM

My buddy ordered one from AIM about two weeks ago on a C&R - I doubt AIM would have sold it to him unless it was C&R. I trust AIM more than some yahoo off Gunbroker.

I had a guy that bought a pistol from me a few weeks ago swear I could not ship it to him that it had to come from an FFL. His FFL got rude with me in agreeing with this guy. Oh, the guy buying my pistol was a NY cop - you know the guy that swore he was right after he talked to an ATF guy. The really stupid thing is a couple local gun store guys told me the same thing when I ask them about shipping it. I really hate dealing with stupid people. By the way it is perfectly legal under federal law for any US citizen to ship a pistol via FedEx to a FFL. I wasn't sure of this guys state law (NY) - so I went along with it. By the way UPS told me to take a hike - FedEx was very cool about it, and said bring it on over - but it has to go like second day air or something.

I brought all this up to point out that the average person on this forum likely knows more about firearm regulations that the average gun-store dude or especially Gunbroker guy.

Vintovki · 08-11-2007, 06:19 PM

These pistols ARE C&R eligible here is the letter to the ATFE. They have been ruled C&R due to their museum status...being in the West Point Museum...
Check here to show the approval.
http://www.jmlivingston.com/CalGunsPics/CZ82.pdf

It seems to take a while for the pdf to load. HTH

Tex in Maine · 08-12-2007, 01:46 AM

Thanks for the info, but I could tell from the way this guy freaked it would be pointless to argue the fact with him and it was just easier to eat the cost of the transfer, only $10, than to bang my head

agaist the wall.

Orlando · 08-12-2007, 02:57 PM

Are you in the same state as the seller? If not it has to go to a FFL even if C&R

Beer Forever · 08-12-2007, 03:02 PM

CZ-82s are C&R eligible. I bought mine from Aim and it was shipped right to my door because I have a C&R

Orlando · 08-12-2007, 03:09 PM

They are C&R but a C&R holder cannot ship a C&R pistol out of state to a C&R holder,only if you both live in the same state. Aim can do it as they are a FFL holder

Beer Forever · 08-12-2007, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orlando

They are C&R but a C&R holder cannot ship a C&R pistol out of state to a C&R holder,only if you both live in the same state. Aim can do it as they are a FFL holder

Bingo

NRAJOE · 08-12-2007, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orlando

They are C&R but a C&R holder cannot ship a C&R pistol out of state to a C&R holder,only if you both live in the same state. Aim can do it as they are a FFL holder

Where did you get that idea?
I have shipped many C&R handguns to other C&R holders from other states as they have to me also...you have to ship UPS...although I have gotten away with shipping a C&R handgun to another C&R holder via USPS.

There are a couple states that do not allow C&R to C&R though (like Commiefornia)

But overall C&R handgun shipping from a C&R holder to another C&R holder from another state is perfectly LEGAL.

SilverRun · 08-12-2007, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NRAJOE

Where did you get that idea?
I have shipped many C&R handguns to other C&R holders from other states as they have to me also...you have to ship UPS...although I have gotten away with shipping a C&R handgun to another C&R holder via USPS.
There are a couple states that do not allow C&R to C&R though (like Commiefornia)
But overall C&R handgun shipping from a C&R holder to another C&R holder from another state is perfectly LEGAL.

Yep, what he said - except I am not sure about the USPS part with handguns.

SPOCAHP ANAR · 08-12-2007, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orlando

Are you in the same state as the seller? If not it has to go to a FFL even if C&R

No it does not. A C&R licensee can recieve a gun from an individual as long as the C&R holder gives a copy of his license to the Seller to keep on file and as long as the Buyer recieves a copy of the Seller's license or his/her mailing address and logs this info into his bound book.

ArkansasHunter · 08-12-2007, 09:43 PM

My ffl holder ask me how I wanted my CZ shipped after he told me my options and I choose U.S. Mail (Priority) because it was cheaper, but it went to his house though.

Tex in Maine · 08-12-2007, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orlando

Are you in the same state as the seller? If not it has to go to a FFL even if C&R

I'm pretty sure the main reason for getting a C&R liscense was so I didnt have to go through a FFL 01. I have already bought a fer C&R weapons from FFL 01 whitout any problems, I send a copy of my license and payment and they send me my purchase and a copy of their liscense fro my A&D. This guys biggest issue is that the cz 82 is not on the C&R list. with all the stupid stuff the goverment spends money on I think a good idea is to notify all FFL holders any changes , i.e. mail, e-mail, etc.., so everybody is on the same page..

SPOCAHP ANAR · 08-12-2007, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex in Maine

with all the stupid stuff the goverment spends money on I think a good idea is to notify all FFL holders any changes , i.e. mail, e-mail, etc.., so everybody is on the same page..

Just be glad they aren't kicking in your door to look at your guns.

Seriously their Search Engine sucks. I typed in C&R Status of CZ 82 and got this: ATF Online Search Results: C&R Status of CZ 82 site:www.atf.gov

Orlando · 08-13-2007, 05:30 AM

Man am I embarrassed. I'm not sure why I thought you couldn't send a pistol across state lines. I just read and reread the rules and couldn't see anywhere that said you couldn't my mistake., sorry

Vintovki · 08-13-2007, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vintovki

These pistols ARE C&R eligible here is the letter to the ATFE. They have been ruled C&R due to their museum status...being in the West Point Museum...
Check here to show the approval.
http://www.jmlivingston.com/CalGunsPics/CZ82.pdf
It seems to take a while for the pdf to load. HTH

Check it out

08-11-2007, 02:14 PM	#1
Tex in Maine Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Norway, Maine Posts: 235	cz 82 C&R status?? Well I won a bid on a cz 82 on gunbroker. and when I e-mailed the guy saying I had sent my payment and copy of C&R he had a cow..NO C&R, FFL ONLY!!! well I checked my book and the ATF website and he is right cz 82 is not listed anywhere, so how can AIM, SOG and J&G Sales offer it as C&R?? __________________ Man's Prayer: Oh Lord I'm a man, but I can change... if I have to...I guess.

08-11-2007, 02:30 PM	#2
SPOCAHP ANAR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: SC-upstate Posts: 4,097 Images: 3 Blog Entries: 4	Beats me. Email the atf and ask for clarification. Have him do also. __________________ Spocrest Out!..........

08-11-2007, 03:20 PM	#3
Tex in Maine Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Norway, Maine Posts: 235	I have already sent gundealers FFL just to get the ball rolling, but I will check into it further, Paul is good to his regulars and only charges $10 for transfer, still made out $20 cheaper than if I got it at AIM __________________ Man's Prayer: Oh Lord I'm a man, but I can change... if I have to...I guess.

08-11-2007, 04:07 PM	#4
toolman Mr. Fixit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 5,582 Blog Entries: 22	According to Centerfire Systems site, they ARE C&R eligible. I would contact the ATF just to be safe though. __________________ Don't be messin' with my gun!

08-11-2007, 06:19 PM	#7
Vintovki Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 139 Images: 3	These pistols ARE C&R eligible here is the letter to the ATFE. They have been ruled C&R due to their museum status...being in the West Point Museum... Check here to show the approval. http://www.jmlivingston.com/CalGunsPics/CZ82.pdf It seems to take a while for the pdf to load. HTH __________________ "Quemadmoeum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est." - Seneca Last edited by Vintovki; 08-11-2007 at 06:20 PM. Reason: Speed of typing!

08-11-2007, 04:13 PM	#5
shrub Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Guilford Vt. Posts: 106	i think they may have becom eligible and the ATF has not updated the list on their website.

08-11-2007, 05:12 PM	#6
SilverRun Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: AL Posts: 1,661	My buddy ordered one from AIM about two weeks ago on a C&R - I doubt AIM would have sold it to him unless it was C&R. I trust AIM more than some yahoo off Gunbroker. I had a guy that bought a pistol from me a few weeks ago swear I could not ship it to him that it had to come from an FFL. His FFL got rude with me in agreeing with this guy. Oh, the guy buying my pistol was a NY cop - you know the guy that swore he was right after he talked to an ATF guy. The really stupid thing is a couple local gun store guys told me the same thing when I ask them about shipping it. I really hate dealing with stupid people. By the way it is perfectly legal under federal law for any US citizen to ship a pistol via FedEx to a FFL. I wasn't sure of this guys state law (NY) - so I went along with it. By the way UPS told me to take a hike - FedEx was very cool about it, and said bring it on over - but it has to go like second day air or something. I brought all this up to point out that the average person on this forum likely knows more about firearm regulations that the average gun-store dude or especially Gunbroker guy.

08-12-2007, 01:46 AM	#8
Tex in Maine Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Norway, Maine Posts: 235	Thanks for the info, but I could tell from the way this guy freaked it would be pointless to argue the fact with him and it was just easier to eat the cost of the transfer, only $10, than to bang my head agaist the wall. __________________ Man's Prayer: Oh Lord I'm a man, but I can change... if I have to...I guess. Last edited by Tex in Maine; 08-12-2007 at 01:47 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

08-12-2007, 02:57 PM	#9
Orlando Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 545	Are you in the same state as the seller? If not it has to go to a FFL even if C&R

08-12-2007, 03:02 PM	#10
Beer Forever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,714	CZ-82s are C&R eligible. I bought mine from Aim and it was shipped right to my door because I have a C&R __________________ Paramedic sks forever

08-12-2007, 03:09 PM	#11
Orlando Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 545	They are C&R but a C&R holder cannot ship a C&R pistol out of state to a C&R holder,only if you both live in the same state. Aim can do it as they are a FFL holder

08-12-2007, 09:43 PM	#16
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,722	My ffl holder ask me how I wanted my CZ shipped after he told me my options and I choose U.S. Mail (Priority) because it was cheaper, but it went to his house though.

08-13-2007, 05:30 AM	#19
Orlando Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 545	Man am I embarrassed. I'm not sure why I thought you couldn't send a pistol across state lines. I just read and reread the rules and couldn't see anywhere that said you couldn't my mistake., sorry