differance in silencers

jasoncaz · 08-16-2007, 01:46 PM

hello all, whats the differance between a silencer for a single shot and a automatic with a min 25 round clip?

ezearln · 08-16-2007, 02:04 PM

Life expectancy of the silencers and it's effectiveness.

just_a_car · 08-16-2007, 02:09 PM

A single shot doesn't have to be made as sturdily as the semi-auto/full-auto ones, as they aren't stressed by firing so quickly. If they are made to the same tolerances and/or not kept up, the single shot will have a longer life expectancy, as ezearln put it.

Also, with a bolt action or other single shot, you don't have the action of the gun ejecting and reloading a cartridge as part of the noise, so the overall experience is quieter.

ezearln · 08-16-2007, 02:15 PM

Also to be noted that a silencer (more correctly a supressor) is essentially in both design and construction similiar to an automobile muffler, and just like a automobile muffler with use it will deterioate and become increasingly less effective until it becomes useless. This is accelerated by the use of non-subsonic ammunition or rapid fire through them as well as the construction of the ammunitions components (ie: copper/lead/zinc fouling)

jasoncaz · 08-16-2007, 02:16 PM

whats the effectiveness of putting a silencer on a tech-9? will it really work? or will it mess up the gun?

HEMI · 08-16-2007, 03:09 PM

Supressors are used by criminals and are illegal just about everywhere.
They have no use to the law abiding my .02.

alan c. · 08-16-2007, 03:46 PM

I couldn't tell you since they are illegal for the most part. Tec 9--a piece of junk. If I could legally own a silenced combat weapon it would be a MP5-K.

Chris · 08-16-2007, 05:05 PM

This is not in the right forum, and without the proper paper work such from ATF and local sheriff. I would not recommend to even think about doing it for personal use without the proper channels.

Update: I created a Class III forum and moved it there.

BattleRifleG3 · 08-16-2007, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HEMI

Supressors are used by criminals and are illegal just about everywhere.
They have no use to the law abiding my .02.

I'll remember to tell that to every responsible suppressor owner I find.

Haven't you ever wished your guns didn't have to always be so dang loud? Guess I'm a horrible lawless criminal wannabe for wanting a silencer and wishing they weren't so restricted.

cubbieman · 08-16-2007, 09:00 PM

i would love to have a silenced walther P22, not that subsonic ammo is loud anyways, but it would still be pretty cool

maybe in a few years if i'm making alot of money i'll get my class 3

just_a_car · 08-17-2007, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alan c.

I couldn't tell you since they are illegal for the most part.

Wrong.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HEMI

Supressors are used by criminals and are illegal just about everywhere.
They have no use to the law abiding my .02.

Wrong and rather narrow minded... I want some change back for that 2 cents.

Suppressors are legal in all but 6 states: Sound Suppressors and Silencers at Impact Guns Home
I wouldn't call that "illegal for the most part" or "illegal just about everywhere", would you?!

Now, in the state of WA, where I reside, it's legal to own a suppressor, but it is illegal to use one on a firearm, so technically illegal, but you can still have it if you pay the $200 BATFE tax and get the Form 4 signed by your "Local Chief LEO".

Despoiler · 08-17-2007, 12:19 AM

How much does a suppressor suppress the noise level?

Despoiler

alan c. · 08-17-2007, 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by just_a_car

Wrong.
Wrong and rather narrow minded... I want some change back for that 2 cents.
Suppressors are legal in all but 6 states: Sound Suppressors and Silencers at Impact Guns Home
I wouldn't call that "illegal for the most part" or "illegal just about everywhere", would you?!
Now, in the state of WA, where I reside, it's legal to own a suppressor, but it is illegal to use one on a firearm, so technically illegal, but you can still have it if you pay the $200 BATFE tax and get the Form 4 signed by your "Local Chief LEO".

Well excuse me princess i really didn't know that.
Especially in Texas. But I will check into it.
Thanks for the info.

Well what I can gather--Texas. Silencers are legal to own. So are machineguns as long you go through the correct paperwork. Now in Texas you can buy firearms from non FFL holders.
Not so with silencers. So no they are not illegal and yes the BATF are keeping track of those kind of sales. I think I will pass I like the noise of a bullet passing a 1300 fps fart.

Chris where do you get this doublepost stuff from.

Double post

Double post again

Are you getting tired of this yet?

HEMI · 08-18-2007, 02:39 AM

So you can own one but not use it?
What are they good for? noise suppresion buy ear protection.

BattleRifleG3 · 08-19-2007, 09:09 PM

You can own one and use them if they are registered under the NFA and legal in your state and locality.

Unlike regular firearms that you buy at your gun shop with a 5 minute NICS, Silencers require the ATF to approve every purchase. Instead of a fee around $5, you pay a tax of $200.

toolman · 08-19-2007, 09:55 PM

I remember reading that in some countries, suppressor use is actually encouraged at shooting ranges due to congestion around them.

Gio · 08-19-2007, 10:21 PM

They would be good for hunting. As to not spook another hunters shot that may be near by.

daddyo · 08-22-2007, 01:21 PM

What effect does a supressor have on accuracy?

JoeLee · 08-22-2007, 03:00 PM

This is the only {truly silenced} weapon.

Valkyrie Arms, LLC Delisle Page

nighthawk80 · 10-25-2007, 12:22 PM

Wow, I didn't know some Gun people are anti surrpressor. I'm currently saving up for one in 22. I'd like to surpress my P22 and G22.
I don't know the decibel level, but in a 22, all you hear is the firing pin strike, and if your using the high velocity ammo, then also the ultra sonic crack. I would recomend googling the decible level. also you tube has plenty of video's.

08-16-2007, 01:46 PM	#1
jasoncaz Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3 Trader Rating: (0)	differance in silencers hello all, whats the differance between a silencer for a single shot and a automatic with a min 25 round clip?

08-16-2007, 02:04 PM	#2
ezearln Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 3,178 Trader Rating: (0)	Life expectancy of the silencers and it's effectiveness. __________________ "You can have my Freedom when I'm done with it!"

08-16-2007, 02:09 PM	#3
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,422 Trader Rating: (0)	A single shot doesn't have to be made as sturdily as the semi-auto/full-auto ones, as they aren't stressed by firing so quickly. If they are made to the same tolerances and/or not kept up, the single shot will have a longer life expectancy, as ezearln put it. Also, with a bolt action or other single shot, you don't have the action of the gun ejecting and reloading a cartridge as part of the noise, so the overall experience is quieter. __________________

08-16-2007, 02:15 PM	#4
ezearln Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 3,178 Trader Rating: (0)	Also to be noted that a silencer (more correctly a supressor) is essentially in both design and construction similiar to an automobile muffler, and just like a automobile muffler with use it will deterioate and become increasingly less effective until it becomes useless. This is accelerated by the use of non-subsonic ammunition or rapid fire through them as well as the construction of the ammunitions components (ie: copper/lead/zinc fouling) __________________ "You can have my Freedom when I'm done with it!"

08-16-2007, 03:46 PM	#7
alan c. Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pasadena,Tejas - also known as Texas Posts: 3,757 Trader Rating: (0)	I couldn't tell you since they are illegal for the most part. Tec 9--a piece of junk. If I could legally own a silenced combat weapon it would be a MP5-K. __________________ God Bless. From Tejas -- formerly known as Texas.

08-16-2007, 02:16 PM	#5
jasoncaz Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3 Trader Rating: (0)	whats the effectiveness of putting a silencer on a tech-9? will it really work? or will it mess up the gun?

08-16-2007, 03:09 PM	#6
HEMI Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 573 Trader Rating: (0)	Supressors are used by criminals and are illegal just about everywhere. They have no use to the law abiding my .02.

08-16-2007, 05:05 PM	#8
Chris HMFIC Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,834,134 Trader Rating: (0)	This is not in the right forum, and without the proper paper work such from ATF and local sheriff. I would not recommend to even think about doing it for personal use without the proper channels. Update: I created a Class III forum and moved it there. __________________ Rules \| Contributing Members I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it. --Thomas Jefferson No one has the right to deny my personal safety Need a reminder, why this site is so great? Last edited by Chris; 08-16-2007 at 05:09 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

08-16-2007, 09:00 PM	#10
cubbieman Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 1,483 Trader Rating: (0)	i would love to have a silenced walther P22, not that subsonic ammo is loud anyways, but it would still be pretty cool maybe in a few years if i'm making alot of money i'll get my class 3

08-17-2007, 12:19 AM	#12
Despoiler Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Occupied Territory of California Posts: 2,231 Trader Rating: (0)	How much does a suppressor suppress the noise level? Despoiler

08-18-2007, 02:39 AM	#14
HEMI Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 573 Trader Rating: (0)	So you can own one but not use it? What are they good for? noise suppresion buy ear protection.

08-19-2007, 09:09 PM	#15
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Trader Rating: (0)	You can own one and use them if they are registered under the NFA and legal in your state and locality. Unlike regular firearms that you buy at your gun shop with a 5 minute NICS, Silencers require the ATF to approve every purchase. Instead of a fee around $5, you pay a tax of $200. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

08-19-2007, 09:55 PM	#16
toolman Mr. Fixit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 5,363 Trader Rating: (0)	I remember reading that in some countries, suppressor use is actually encouraged at shooting ranges due to congestion around them. __________________ Don't be messin' with my gun!

08-19-2007, 10:21 PM	#17
Gio Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 804 Trader Rating: (0)	They would be good for hunting. As to not spook another hunters shot that may be near by. __________________ Blow you up.

08-22-2007, 01:21 PM	#18
daddyo Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 164 Trader Rating: (0)	What effect does a supressor have on accuracy? Last edited by daddyo; 08-22-2007 at 01:24 PM.

08-22-2007, 03:00 PM	#19
JoeLee Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North New York State. Posts: 1,241 Trader Rating: (0)	This is the only {truly silenced} weapon. Valkyrie Arms, LLC Delisle Page

10-25-2007, 12:22 PM	#20
nighthawk80 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Just south of Central Indiana Posts: 399 Trader Rating: (0)	Wow, I didn't know some Gun people are anti surrpressor. I'm currently saving up for one in 22. I'd like to surpress my P22 and G22. I don't know the decibel level, but in a 22, all you hear is the firing pin strike, and if your using the high velocity ammo, then also the ultra sonic crack. I would recomend googling the decible level. also you tube has plenty of video's.