cva electric muzzle loader

SilentSoul · 10-18-2007, 08:49 PM

CVA Electra .50 Caliber 209 Muzzleloaders with Electronic ARC Ignition

I was in the gun shop today and the old man that owns it is a trip. He was talking to me about this thing. It is apparently in American Rifleman this month he showed me the article. Pretty crazy, he was pissed about it said he would only order one if someone wanted it and he would try not to laugh at them. He is old school. He kept saying "hope it doesn't get wet" and hope your battery doesn't die when you need to take that shot. Looks kinda cool but just seems like to technical for a gun, great idea on paper. I like the AK mentality, loose and simple.

gunney_m · 10-18-2007, 08:56 PM

Love muzzleloaders but am not a big fan of longarms, nice though.

holyokster · 10-19-2007, 10:47 AM

People have a tendency to be cautious about change, it's human nature. I'm sure there was resistence to the change from the matchlock, wheelock, flintlock, caplock and 209 primer. Some ignition systems were a
'flash in the pan," as they say, replaced by more advanced, and reliable ignition systems. Only time will tell if this latest ignition system is reliable enough for field use. There appears to be many advantages to this system and only a few unproven concerns as of yet. It will be an interesting gun to follow as more people buy and report their experiences. A good indicator of the sucess of this system would be the introduction of similar systems by other major gun makers. I am sure they are testing this CVA extensivly to see if they want to follow suit.

PelletHead · 10-22-2007, 02:02 PM

I have hunted with both the traditional longgun and the modern inline. The modern inline was like hunting with any scoped center fire rifle, just heavier. But hunting with the traditional longgun is by far a more rewarding hunting experience for me.

Lng Rng · 10-22-2007, 02:21 PM

My biggest concern would be that they are legal for hunting. Some states may decide to ban them, or have laws against using electroinics.

shrub · 10-22-2007, 02:24 PM

I think it will be a hard sell. Alot of the people who shoot muzzleloaders for fun are into the tradinal styles ( cap lock, flintlock) where as most users of inline style muzzleloaders are in it to hunt in there states BP or "tradinal" season and buy inlines because they think it gives them a little leg up. But how long will these be leagl in BP or "tradinal seasons"? my 30-30 is more tradinal than this. so i think most hunters wont buy based on the fact that they probably wont be able to hunt wiht it for long. it would be fun to try shooting it though.

.22guy · 10-22-2007, 02:30 PM

With my luck it would run out of battery at exactly the wrong moment. Or I would do something to short the battery out. I'll stick with my 209 primer rifle.

Bookman · 10-22-2007, 06:23 PM

I would not worry about batteries running down or shorting out. I saw the article in American Rifleman and the system looks very modern. CVA has been around a long time and I can't see them marketing an iffy product.

'Course, I will never buy one; but then I haven't bought an inline, either.

SilentSoul · 10-22-2007, 07:09 PM

It just doesn't look as fun or as challenging as shooting a flintlock.

jashoffa · 10-23-2007, 12:58 AM

I think the rifle will perform just fine. The state of Iowa already has a regulation about using electronic ignition. Not legal for Black Powder season but I am not sure about regualar firearms season.

blackhawk45 · 10-23-2007, 02:33 AM

Remington built a Mod. 700 with an electronic ignition,the ammo had some sort of electronic primer,supposed to have the fastest lock time ! I've never seen one in the deer woods, or know of anyone shooting on of these! I believe it was just a flash in the pan (no pun intended) I don't think these rifles will be big sellers, afterall the Remington700s were a flop!!!! IMO

samuel · 10-23-2007, 04:02 AM

The problems with the caseless cartridge system were the cost of mfg..The fact that the little flat springs that made up the gas seal failed after being flexed and heated a few times and you could buy a cartridge gun a lot cheaper.Most of the problems here would be non existant since the breech is plugged and mfg shouldnt be terrible.I havnt read any article on it but can see a big problem in keeping the ignition system clean. sam.

Lng Rng · 10-23-2007, 01:11 PM

Bookman, you can't see CVA making an iffy product? What about all the muzzle loaders they made a while back that were blowing up on people? Thats one reason why I won't buy a CVA.

Bookman · 10-23-2007, 07:41 PM

Lng Rng - granted, CVA isn't Thompson/Center.
I don't own any CVA guns because frankly I never liked the quality of their product. I still think that time will show the electric ignition will work OK.
Stop back in a few years and we'll see. I've been wrong before . . . .

SilentSoul · 10-23-2007, 07:49 PM

I just wonder if it goes bad, if it will cost me as much to replace the electronics as it will the whole gun.

Lng Rng · 10-23-2007, 07:49 PM

I'll agree with you there. They are imported from spain, and seem to be cheaply made. Some of their newer stuff is looking better though, but im still not sold on them.

K75RT · 10-26-2007, 05:13 PM

I love the concept that CVA, formerly a Connecticut business has; yet I'd like to see an American made rifle with that technology. I read the reviews and they are great, my concern is longevity and Spanish arms...

10-18-2007, 08:49 PM	#1
SilentSoul Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 603 Trader Rating: (0)	cva electric muzzle loader CVA Electra .50 Caliber 209 Muzzleloaders with Electronic ARC Ignition I was in the gun shop today and the old man that owns it is a trip. He was talking to me about this thing. It is apparently in American Rifleman this month he showed me the article. Pretty crazy, he was pissed about it said he would only order one if someone wanted it and he would try not to laugh at them. He is old school. He kept saying "hope it doesn't get wet" and hope your battery doesn't die when you need to take that shot. Looks kinda cool but just seems like to technical for a gun, great idea on paper. I like the AK mentality, loose and simple.

10-22-2007, 02:30 PM	#7
.22guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,065 Trader Rating: (0)	With my luck it would run out of battery at exactly the wrong moment. Or I would do something to short the battery out. I'll stick with my 209 primer rifle. __________________ Guns: they are like baseball cards except they are cool and you can kill things with em. -Billy

10-23-2007, 12:58 AM	#10
jashoffa Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Iowa Posts: 380 Trader Rating: (0)	I think the rifle will perform just fine. The state of Iowa already has a regulation about using electronic ignition. Not legal for Black Powder season but I am not sure about regualar firearms season. __________________ "I don't go shooting without my guns and they don't go shooting without me!" Member NRA

10-18-2007, 08:56 PM	#2
gunney_m Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Muskogee,Ok Posts: 1,931 Trader Rating: (0)	Love muzzleloaders but am not a big fan of longarms, nice though.

10-19-2007, 10:47 AM	#3
holyokster Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 15 Trader Rating: (0)	People have a tendency to be cautious about change, it's human nature. I'm sure there was resistence to the change from the matchlock, wheelock, flintlock, caplock and 209 primer. Some ignition systems were a 'flash in the pan," as they say, replaced by more advanced, and reliable ignition systems. Only time will tell if this latest ignition system is reliable enough for field use. There appears to be many advantages to this system and only a few unproven concerns as of yet. It will be an interesting gun to follow as more people buy and report their experiences. A good indicator of the sucess of this system would be the introduction of similar systems by other major gun makers. I am sure they are testing this CVA extensivly to see if they want to follow suit.

10-22-2007, 02:02 PM	#4
PelletHead Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 34 Trader Rating: (0)	I have hunted with both the traditional longgun and the modern inline. The modern inline was like hunting with any scoped center fire rifle, just heavier. But hunting with the traditional longgun is by far a more rewarding hunting experience for me.

10-22-2007, 02:21 PM	#5
Lng Rng Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 944 Trader Rating: (0)	My biggest concern would be that they are legal for hunting. Some states may decide to ban them, or have laws against using electroinics.

10-22-2007, 02:24 PM	#6
shrub Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Guilford Vt. Posts: 101 Trader Rating: (0)	I think it will be a hard sell. Alot of the people who shoot muzzleloaders for fun are into the tradinal styles ( cap lock, flintlock) where as most users of inline style muzzleloaders are in it to hunt in there states BP or "tradinal" season and buy inlines because they think it gives them a little leg up. But how long will these be leagl in BP or "tradinal seasons"? my 30-30 is more tradinal than this. so i think most hunters wont buy based on the fact that they probably wont be able to hunt wiht it for long. it would be fun to try shooting it though.

10-22-2007, 06:23 PM	#8
Bookman Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: 10 paces south of Canada Posts: 738 Trader Rating: (0)	I would not worry about batteries running down or shorting out. I saw the article in American Rifleman and the system looks very modern. CVA has been around a long time and I can't see them marketing an iffy product. 'Course, I will never buy one; but then I haven't bought an inline, either.

10-22-2007, 07:09 PM	#9
SilentSoul Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 603 Trader Rating: (0)	It just doesn't look as fun or as challenging as shooting a flintlock.

10-23-2007, 02:33 AM	#11
blackhawk45 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Millersville Pa. Posts: 76 Trader Rating: (0)	Remington built a Mod. 700 with an electronic ignition,the ammo had some sort of electronic primer,supposed to have the fastest lock time ! I've never seen one in the deer woods, or know of anyone shooting on of these! I believe it was just a flash in the pan (no pun intended) I don't think these rifles will be big sellers, afterall the Remington700s were a flop!!!! IMO

10-23-2007, 04:02 AM	#12
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,050 Trader Rating: (0)	The problems with the caseless cartridge system were the cost of mfg..The fact that the little flat springs that made up the gas seal failed after being flexed and heated a few times and you could buy a cartridge gun a lot cheaper.Most of the problems here would be non existant since the breech is plugged and mfg shouldnt be terrible.I havnt read any article on it but can see a big problem in keeping the ignition system clean. sam.

10-23-2007, 01:11 PM	#13
Lng Rng Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 944 Trader Rating: (0)	Bookman, you can't see CVA making an iffy product? What about all the muzzle loaders they made a while back that were blowing up on people? Thats one reason why I won't buy a CVA.

10-23-2007, 07:41 PM	#14
Bookman Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: 10 paces south of Canada Posts: 738 Trader Rating: (0)	Lng Rng - granted, CVA isn't Thompson/Center. I don't own any CVA guns because frankly I never liked the quality of their product. I still think that time will show the electric ignition will work OK. Stop back in a few years and we'll see. I've been wrong before . . . .

10-23-2007, 07:49 PM	#15
SilentSoul Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 603 Trader Rating: (0)	I just wonder if it goes bad, if it will cost me as much to replace the electronics as it will the whole gun.

10-26-2007, 05:13 PM	#17
K75RT Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 272 Trader Rating: (0)	I love the concept that CVA, formerly a Connecticut business has; yet I'd like to see an American made rifle with that technology. I read the reviews and they are great, my concern is longevity and Spanish arms...