G3 Clone

SwedeSteve · 10-20-2007, 11:25 PM

Hey Guys- I saw a G3/91 clone today made by "Federal Arms" or similar. Does anybody know anything about these? Its a pretty clean rifle with green furniture, Barrel looks fine. It seems lighter than the G3's I carried in Germany and they had collapsible stocks! Can anyone clue me in on these rifles?

BattleRifleG3 · 10-21-2007, 12:00 AM

I have one and it has served me well. The Federal Arms receiver is cast and milled aluminum, and has a scope rail machined directly into it.

SilentSoul · 10-22-2007, 06:29 PM

Out of curiosity what kind of price are you looking at?

SwedeSteve · 10-24-2007, 09:38 PM

$600 with 3 mags and a sling...

BattleRifleG3 · 10-24-2007, 09:45 PM

Used to be able to do better, could certainly do worse. I paid almost that much for mine, though I think I overpaid. If you can inspect it carefully and it checks out I'd say that's a fair deal.

SwedeSteve · 10-25-2007, 12:11 AM

BRG- I have gone over it with a fine toothed comb, and can see nothing wrong with her (wish I'd done that with my last wife!) I heard rumors of jambing with the aluminum receivers due to torque. Ever heard of this? Also, is it a faithful repro of the G3/HK91 as far as parts are concerned?

rocketmonty · 10-25-2007, 09:30 AM

just only the ammo, they come in 130 grain /150 grain/164 grain or the nato military one . lso the are of ejection is more smaller than steel stamped. have one for sale.

SwedeSteve · 10-25-2007, 11:02 AM

I think stamped steel would suffer even more from torque if this is really a problem.

Tex in Maine · 10-28-2007, 07:39 PM

Swede, I am looking at one also, the shop is asking$500. Don't be overly impressed that it comes with 3 mags, they are some of the cheapest around 5$-$8 for 20rd mags, you can use the G3 ones. I would offer about $500 and see what he say's.
oh eck I just talked myself into, guess I'll go down tues and pick it up. Wife's not ganna be happy but then again it's not the first time.

SwedeSteve · 10-29-2007, 04:45 PM

Tex- R U looking at a Federal?

Tex in Maine · 10-29-2007, 10:37 PM

Swede, Yes it is a FA 91, but not too sure now, several post say there my be a problem with the aluminium receiver and a loss of accuracy over time.

Tex in Maine · 11-06-2007, 10:02 AM

BRG3, what type of ammo do you use?? I put a bid in for a lot of malaysian, looks nice and clean, appears to have been reloaded. have you ever used this ammo, any concerns? Thanks, Tex

BattleRifleG3 · 11-06-2007, 04:20 PM

I'm not sure about the Malaysian ammo, certainly don't use the Indian ammo. Mine gets a constant diet of German and Portugese ammo, but now that it's all gone I think I'll be switching to US commercial ammo. What's hard is finding it loaded to 7.62 NATO specs instead of the hotter 308. What I think I'll do is reload all my 308 to NATO specs and feed it through my G3 when I'm about to retire the brass, since the G3 does a real number on it.

Tex in Maine · 11-06-2007, 06:22 PM

BRG3, thanks for the info, that also answers another question I had, I had read that .308 NATO and .308 WIN were not the same. So I guess it's not a good idea to fire .308 WIN in my FA91?

just_a_car · 11-06-2007, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex in Maine

BRG3, thanks for the info, that also answers another question I had, I had read that .308 NATO and .308 WIN were not the same. So I guess it's not a good idea to fire .308 WIN in my FA91?

Correct. It's loaded to a higher maximum pressure. I believe the specs are 49,000psi for NATO and 52,000psi for WIN.

So, it's not a good idea, but I've yet to have a problem with shooting steel-cased Wolf .308Win FMJ in my CETME, which is in the same boat as the FA91. The only real problems I've had with ammo was underpowered S. African that wasn't cycling the bolt carrier back far enough.

I've also heard the argument that since our G3 clones (or, more properly, CETME clones) were designed to function under sustained fully-automatic fire, it's highly unlikely that using .308Win ammo is going to make it hiccup. So, like you said... not a good idea, but I personally don't think it's that big of an issue; I know some here and on other forums do, though.

BattleRifleG3 · 11-07-2007, 04:55 PM

308 Win is actually listed by SAAMI as 62,000psi.

meatloaf · 11-08-2007, 10:13 PM

I bought some S african ammo last weekend and I had three jams in my cetme. I didn't know the ammo is under powerd. I thought my gun was starting to screw up, after listening to others talk about their problems with the CETME sporter. Do you guys think the FN Fal is a better platform? Also I tried a B-square mount on my CETME it's a solid mount but it still starts to slip forward after about fifty rounds, do you guys have anythought on fixing this issue that wont hurt the value of my gun? I might be trading it in if it keeps acting up.

dgr416 · 11-12-2007, 03:56 PM

I used the South African in my JDL 91 clone good ammo.Ilike US ball and Remington 150 gr psp best.Where any cheaper 308 ammo anymore?

Tex in Maine · 11-24-2007, 10:02 PM

Picked this up tonight had it on layaway for couple of months, say's FA 91 on mag well but say's centurian 99 on underside of receiver, so I assume it was a left over federal arms when they were bought out by century, which means it was most likly put together by century, but still looks nice, will strip and clean tomorrow and hopefuly get to range

just_a_car · 11-24-2007, 11:43 PM

Nice pickup there Tex! I've read good things about those clones.

10-20-2007, 11:25 PM	#1
SwedeSteve Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: AnchorTown, Alaska Posts: 8,823 Trader Rating: (0)	G3 Clone Hey Guys- I saw a G3/91 clone today made by "Federal Arms" or similar. Does anybody know anything about these? Its a pretty clean rifle with green furniture, Barrel looks fine. It seems lighter than the G3's I carried in Germany and they had collapsible stocks! Can anyone clue me in on these rifles? __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

10-21-2007, 12:00 AM	#2
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Trader Rating: (0)	I have one and it has served me well. The Federal Arms receiver is cast and milled aluminum, and has a scope rail machined directly into it. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

10-24-2007, 09:38 PM	#4
SwedeSteve Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: AnchorTown, Alaska Posts: 8,823 Trader Rating: (0)	$600 with 3 mags and a sling... __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

10-24-2007, 09:45 PM	#5
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Trader Rating: (0)	Used to be able to do better, could certainly do worse. I paid almost that much for mine, though I think I overpaid. If you can inspect it carefully and it checks out I'd say that's a fair deal. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

10-25-2007, 12:11 AM	#6
SwedeSteve Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: AnchorTown, Alaska Posts: 8,823 Trader Rating: (0)	BRG- I have gone over it with a fine toothed comb, and can see nothing wrong with her (wish I'd done that with my last wife!) I heard rumors of jambing with the aluminum receivers due to torque. Ever heard of this? Also, is it a faithful repro of the G3/HK91 as far as parts are concerned? __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

10-22-2007, 06:29 PM	#3
SilentSoul Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 603 Trader Rating: (0)	Out of curiosity what kind of price are you looking at?

10-25-2007, 09:30 AM	#7
rocketmonty Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: florida Posts: 128 Trader Rating: (0)	just only the ammo, they come in 130 grain /150 grain/164 grain or the nato military one . lso the are of ejection is more smaller than steel stamped. have one for sale.

10-25-2007, 11:02 AM	#8
SwedeSteve Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: AnchorTown, Alaska Posts: 8,823 Trader Rating: (0)	I think stamped steel would suffer even more from torque if this is really a problem. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

10-28-2007, 07:39 PM	#9
Tex in Maine Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Norway, Maine Posts: 235 Trader Rating: (0)	Swede, I am looking at one also, the shop is asking$500. Don't be overly impressed that it comes with 3 mags, they are some of the cheapest around 5$-$8 for 20rd mags, you can use the G3 ones. I would offer about $500 and see what he say's. oh eck I just talked myself into, guess I'll go down tues and pick it up. Wife's not ganna be happy but then again it's not the first time. __________________ Man's Prayer: Oh Lord I'm a man, but I can change... if I have to...I guess.

10-29-2007, 04:45 PM	#10
SwedeSteve Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: AnchorTown, Alaska Posts: 8,823 Trader Rating: (0)	Tex- R U looking at a Federal? __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

10-29-2007, 10:37 PM	#11
Tex in Maine Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Norway, Maine Posts: 235 Trader Rating: (0)	Swede, Yes it is a FA 91, but not too sure now, several post say there my be a problem with the aluminium receiver and a loss of accuracy over time. __________________ Man's Prayer: Oh Lord I'm a man, but I can change... if I have to...I guess.

11-06-2007, 10:02 AM	#12
Tex in Maine Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Norway, Maine Posts: 235 Trader Rating: (0)	BRG3, what type of ammo do you use?? I put a bid in for a lot of malaysian, looks nice and clean, appears to have been reloaded. have you ever used this ammo, any concerns? Thanks, Tex __________________ Man's Prayer: Oh Lord I'm a man, but I can change... if I have to...I guess.

11-06-2007, 04:20 PM	#13
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Trader Rating: (0)	I'm not sure about the Malaysian ammo, certainly don't use the Indian ammo. Mine gets a constant diet of German and Portugese ammo, but now that it's all gone I think I'll be switching to US commercial ammo. What's hard is finding it loaded to 7.62 NATO specs instead of the hotter 308. What I think I'll do is reload all my 308 to NATO specs and feed it through my G3 when I'm about to retire the brass, since the G3 does a real number on it. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

11-06-2007, 06:22 PM	#14
Tex in Maine Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Norway, Maine Posts: 235 Trader Rating: (0)	BRG3, thanks for the info, that also answers another question I had, I had read that .308 NATO and .308 WIN were not the same. So I guess it's not a good idea to fire .308 WIN in my FA91? __________________ Man's Prayer: Oh Lord I'm a man, but I can change... if I have to...I guess.

11-07-2007, 04:55 PM	#16
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Trader Rating: (0)	308 Win is actually listed by SAAMI as 62,000psi. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

11-08-2007, 10:13 PM	#17
meatloaf Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: lakewood CO Posts: 836 Trader Rating: (0)	I bought some S african ammo last weekend and I had three jams in my cetme. I didn't know the ammo is under powerd. I thought my gun was starting to screw up, after listening to others talk about their problems with the CETME sporter. Do you guys think the FN Fal is a better platform? Also I tried a B-square mount on my CETME it's a solid mount but it still starts to slip forward after about fifty rounds, do you guys have anythought on fixing this issue that wont hurt the value of my gun? I might be trading it in if it keeps acting up.

11-12-2007, 03:56 PM	#18
dgr416 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 5 Trader Rating: (0)	I used the South African in my JDL 91 clone good ammo.Ilike US ball and Remington 150 gr psp best.Where any cheaper 308 ammo anymore?

11-24-2007, 10:02 PM	#19
Tex in Maine Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Norway, Maine Posts: 235 Trader Rating: (0)	Picked this up tonight had it on layaway for couple of months, say's FA 91 on mag well but say's centurian 99 on underside of receiver, so I assume it was a left over federal arms when they were bought out by century, which means it was most likly put together by century, but still looks nice, will strip and clean tomorrow and hopefuly get to range __________________ Man's Prayer: Oh Lord I'm a man, but I can change... if I have to...I guess.

11-24-2007, 11:43 PM	#20
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,402 Trader Rating: (0)	Nice pickup there Tex! I've read good things about those clones. __________________