New Taurus " JUDGE " - Page 3

gandog56 · 10-15-2007, 01:54 PM

There ain't many snakes in the Chicago suburbs, so a Judge did not interest me. But there are no Bears hear either (Except Da Bears!) and that didn't stop me from getting a Raging Bull .454 Casull.

Bravo · 10-15-2007, 02:14 PM

I'm not a big fan of pistols that shoot shot, especially if they are rifled. I've shot shot loads through my .45Colt Blackhawk, and the rifling cause the shot to spread rather rapidly (centrifugal force created by the spinning shot pushing in the outward (against the barrel) direction).

Anyone tried shooting these: AMM-860 - Ammo .410 S&B '000' Buck 25-Box 3 Pellets, 2.5" 410 Gauge - Manufactured by: Sellier & Bellot

or

65826 - .410 Super-X Buckshot, 2-1/2" Shell, #000 Buck, 3 Pellets, 1300 fps, 5 Rounds Per Box - Manufactured by: Winchester

I would think that 5 rapid shots of those, 15 .36cal balls flying down range, would be rather destructive in an invasion situation.

mosineer · 10-16-2007, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Bravo

I'm not a big fan of pistols that shoot shot, especially if they are rifled. I've shot shot loads through my .45Colt Blackhawk, and the rifling cause the shot to spread rather rapidly (centrifugal force created by the spinning shot pushing in the outward (against the barrel) direction).

Anyone tried shooting these: AMM-860 - Ammo .410 S&B '000' Buck 25-Box 3 Pellets, 2.5" 410 Gauge - Manufactured by: Sellier & Bellot

or

65826 - .410 Super-X Buckshot, 2-1/2" Shell, #000 Buck, 3 Pellets, 1300 fps, 5 Rounds Per Box - Manufactured by: Winchester

I would think that 5 rapid shots of those, 15 .36cal balls flying down range, would be rather destructive in an invasion situation.

Yes, in fact the S&B's are loaded in my judge right now along with two Corbon +P JHP's .45LC's. The S&B's are of course devastating at nominal range.
You must keep in mind the rifling of the Judge is not the same as your blackhawk. If anyone has not seen this video, it is worth watching. May be slow loading, but worth the wait. There are two legged snakes to watch for also.

Taurus International Manufacturing Inc

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Originally Posted by BattleRifleG3

Let me know where you can get both a 410 repeater and a 45 Colt DA/SA revolver for $400. I think it's great to cover both snakes and bear with one revolver, at least if you're not out in the woods to hunt. The stainless steel is great in case you take a spill in the water. But certainly to each his own.

They were out of the SS when I bought mine. But I went ahead anyway with the thought in mind that it was a good excuse to get one of each. So, one of these days I plan on having a 3" barreled SS keeping company with my 6" blued. That's the story I gave to my better half and I'm sticking with it.

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gandog56 · 10-20-2007, 11:54 AM

I like how the Taurus commercial there makes it seem that the shot spreading out quicker is a good thing. I'm undecided which would be better. Yeah a carjacker in my window seems like a good time for spreading out. But how about for that snake 5-10 feet away?

BattleRifleG3 · 10-20-2007, 11:56 PM

For that snake 10-15ft away, it's sure to hit it with enough density to take out its senses. At that distance, I was looking at about a 1ft pattern. I'd say that's ideal range for a dangerous critter. I wouldn't consider the 410 shotshell ideal at all for personal defense against 2 leggen predators, but at very short range, like less than 5ft, I'm sure it would do fine.

gandog56 · 10-22-2007, 10:26 AM

Too bad Illinois makes it illegal to carry a loaded weapon in the car...PERIOD!

billy · 10-28-2007, 01:12 PM

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm

BattleRifleG3 · 10-28-2007, 03:56 PM

That's a great writeup, thanks for the link!

billy · 10-28-2007, 03:58 PM

i love the box o truth!

357 sig · 11-05-2007, 10:14 PM

I own two both are in 4 inch barrell. Limited edition model in 2 1/2 inch chamber. I thought the 3 inch was too short and the 6 a little long. Plus I figured maybe it might be more valuable being not many made. Also, I read post on someone talking about shooting Buffalo Bore ammo in this gun. I don't think this is a good idea. You may want to check with Taurus before shooting that stuff. Some of their 45LC ammo is comparable to and more powerful than standard 44 magnum ammo. In the manual that comes with the Judge, it says you should not shoot +p ammo in this gun. And buffalo bore is much more powerful than standard +p ammo. I bough some ammo from Georgia Arms and shot it and I am not sure I will shoot it again without calling Taurus first. The ammo I shot was 250 gr or 260 gr with a 1200fps. and it says only shoot in ruger, T/C and a couple other guns that shoot 45LC. The original 45Lc cowboy load was a pretty mild load. Anyway I am new to this site and was reading some posts on the Judge and thought I would put my 2 cents in. Very interested info. I read here on the Judge and hope to read some more on other guns as I am an avid gun lover. I have 14 pistols 12 rifles and a couple shotguns.

texas shooter · 11-10-2007, 01:52 PM

There's a good gun review and test on this on the Taurus home site, good reading. He brings up a good point on how the shot cups make the shot pull after a distance dur to the rifling which is understandable. But then gives an idea of getting some old .410 paper wads which should stop or lower that problem. Gives an idea for some reloads, huh.

Jerinmn · 12-18-2007, 09:20 AM

I just bought a Taurus Judge. Had it for about 20 minutes before i had to send it back to the factory. i took it home - started to load it and it came apart on me. seems that the ejector plunger assembly (i thinks thats what its called) was put together wrong at the factory and was stripped when put together. i think taurus has a Quality Assurance problem. i even called taurus but i got the impression that they really didn't care.

i've heard good reviews about the Judge and thought i could use it here in Minnesota for bird hunting, but i guess not this year. seems it might be 6-8 weeks before i get it back. i'll keep tab on all the postings for more shooting results with the Judge and hopefully get mine back soon to try it out.

ouhouseking · 12-21-2007, 01:51 PM

Which is better, 3" or 6" barrel?

mosineer · 12-27-2007, 10:12 AM

First Jerinmn and ouhouseking, welcome to G&G!! There are a good group of folks here which helps make G&G such a great place to find and share information. So feel free to ask questions or contribute info.
Jerinmn, sorry to hear about your Judge. I like Taurus and think they produce quality firearms, but that is something that should have never left the factory. You can read some night mare stories about Taurus customer service along with the good ones. Hope yours turns out to be a good one. Let us know.

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Originally Posted by ouhouseking

Which is better, 3" or 6" barrel?

Depends on primary use. Strictly self defense as a carry, in vehicle, or home, I would say the 3". For use in hunting (legal for deer here), or back up in the woods, the 6" would be better.(for me) Both work well as self defense. So basically it is what ever you like.

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ouhouseking · 12-27-2007, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mosineer

First Jerinmn and ouhouseking, welcome to G&G!! There are a good group of folks here which helps make G&G such a great place to find and share information. So feel free to ask questions or contribute info.
Jerinmn, sorry to hear about your Judge. I like Taurus and think they produce quality firearms, but that is something that should have never left the factory. You can read some night mare stories about Taurus customer service along with the good ones. Hope yours turns out to be a good one. Let us know.

Depends on primary use. Strictly self defense as a carry, in vehicle, or home, I would say the 3". For use in hunting (legal for deer here), or back up in the woods, the 6" would be better.(for me) Both work well as self defense. So basically it is what ever you like.

Thanks for the reply, I have since bought the 3" Judge, love it!

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Shotgun Willie · 01-16-2008, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerinmn

I just bought a Taurus Judge. Had it for about 20 minutes before i had to send it back to the factory. i took it home - started to load it and it came apart on me. seems that the ejector plunger assembly (i thinks thats what its called) was put together wrong at the factory and was stripped when put together. i think taurus has a Quality Assurance problem. i even called taurus but i got the impression that they really didn't care.

i've heard good reviews about the Judge and thought i could use it here in Minnesota for bird hunting, but i guess not this year. seems it might be 6-8 weeks before i get it back. i'll keep tab on all the postings for more shooting results with the Judge and hopefully get mine back soon to try it out.

Jerinmn, I'm new to the group and just read of your misfortune with your Judge. I'd appreciate it if you would post your experience with Taurus Customer Service as I've just shelled out almost a thousand bucks for 2 Judge Ultra Lites and it's my first experience with Taurus. I've also been responsible for a friend in Arizona ordering two Ultra Lites also, the first of which he is picking up today (other one is still on backorder). I haven't shot either of mine yet but I can't help but believe your experience is isolated as the fit and finish on mine are as good as any S&W, Colt or Ruger I ever had, and they seem to be assembled properly. I'm not qualified to tell anything about the metallurgy, and even a lifetime warranty is only as good as the company backing it, so please keep the forum posted. If I have any trouble with the 4 I'm in contact with, I'll post it here too.

TXplt · 01-23-2008, 09:19 PM

Shotgun,

If it's any consolation, I own 2 (both 3"; one steel one UL) and have had no problems so far. Have about 120 rds total thru the steel; 100 thru UL. Mix of .45, 000, and .410. Have shot the buffalo bore heavy standard pressure (which are not +P but heavy normal pressure loadings w/255gr keith). Both have been great pistols so far. I like Taurus firearms, but they never got back to me when I faxed them about suitability of cor-bon's thru it.

Shotgun Willie · 01-23-2008, 11:17 PM

Thanks for the reassurance because I went out this morning and bought another Taurus. This time a used one (I'm not sure about the model number and the gun store guy wasn't either). It's a snub nose .38 Special with a bobbed hammer in stainless steel with a fancy wood grip. It predates the built in key safety, but I don't know when Taurus adapted that.

I took some pictures but don't know how to insert them here. Anyway, the fit and finish is excellent.

Thanks again for the reassurance of the products.

TXplt · 01-23-2008, 11:28 PM

Personally, I think these are great options for home defense and car/field guns as long as the limitations are well understood and the guns loaded properly for anticipated threats (i.e. Bird, bird, .45, .45, .45; Buck Buck .45, .45, .45; Bird, Buck, .45 .45; Buck, .45, Buck, .45...... etc......). For me, I don't see it as a CCW gun just due to its rapid shot dispersion and the very real possibility that shot could go where I don't want it to go. But there might be others where this situation wouldn't pose as much of a problem.

Shotgun Willie · 01-24-2008, 12:16 AM

Hopefully, none of us will ever have occasion to gain any practical experience in defending ourselves or our families, but I'm figuring on the equivilent of "buck fever" if I do. So the .410 component appeals to me. We just had an incident in DFW where an undercover cop who had been working a prostitution "sting" operation was done and headed to his car to go home when he was jumped in the motel parking lot by a robber with a gun. As instructed, he gave him his wallet, but when the robber wanted him to lie down in the front seat of his car, he balked and pulled his gun. A gunfight broke out and the robber wound up running for his car with the cop in foot pursuit and both shooting at each other. The cop finally brought him down, but it was later determined the cop went through all the bullets in his gun plus two more full clips. There were bullet marks everywhere between the two of them. Moral to that is even trained cops, and "robbers in the trade" don't get into gunfights often enough to gain any "cold eyed" experience at it and even they get buck fever and blow some shots. Starting out with a .410 shell makes lots of sense to me. Part of a .410 hitting the perp is better than a .45 in the air. It's got to get his attention.

10-20-2007, 11:56 PM	#45
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	For that snake 10-15ft away, it's sure to hit it with enough density to take out its senses. At that distance, I was looking at about a 1ft pattern. I'd say that's ideal range for a dangerous critter. I wouldn't consider the 410 shotshell ideal at all for personal defense against 2 leggen predators, but at very short range, like less than 5ft, I'm sure it would do fine. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

10-28-2007, 01:12 PM	#47
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 11,930 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 145	http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm __________________ internet yards and real yards are completely different units of measure.

10-28-2007, 03:56 PM	#48
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	That's a great writeup, thanks for the link! __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

10-28-2007, 03:58 PM	#49
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 11,930 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 145	i love the box o truth! __________________ internet yards and real yards are completely different units of measure.

11-05-2007, 10:14 PM	#50
357 sig Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1	The judge I own two both are in 4 inch barrell. Limited edition model in 2 1/2 inch chamber. I thought the 3 inch was too short and the 6 a little long. Plus I figured maybe it might be more valuable being not many made. Also, I read post on someone talking about shooting Buffalo Bore ammo in this gun. I don't think this is a good idea. You may want to check with Taurus before shooting that stuff. Some of their 45LC ammo is comparable to and more powerful than standard 44 magnum ammo. In the manual that comes with the Judge, it says you should not shoot +p ammo in this gun. And buffalo bore is much more powerful than standard +p ammo. I bough some ammo from Georgia Arms and shot it and I am not sure I will shoot it again without calling Taurus first. The ammo I shot was 250 gr or 260 gr with a 1200fps. and it says only shoot in ruger, T/C and a couple other guns that shoot 45LC. The original 45Lc cowboy load was a pretty mild load. Anyway I am new to this site and was reading some posts on the Judge and thought I would put my 2 cents in. Very interested info. I read here on the Judge and hope to read some more on other guns as I am an avid gun lover. I have 14 pistols 12 rifles and a couple shotguns.

10-15-2007, 01:54 PM	#41
gandog56 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Montgomery, IL. Posts: 4,193	There ain't many snakes in the Chicago suburbs, so a Judge did not interest me. But there are no Bears hear either (Except Da Bears!) and that didn't stop me from getting a Raging Bull .454 Casull.

10-15-2007, 02:14 PM	#42
Bravo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Maine, USA Posts: 1,879	I'm not a big fan of pistols that shoot shot, especially if they are rifled. I've shot shot loads through my .45Colt Blackhawk, and the rifling cause the shot to spread rather rapidly (centrifugal force created by the spinning shot pushing in the outward (against the barrel) direction). Anyone tried shooting these: AMM-860 - Ammo .410 S&B '000' Buck 25-Box 3 Pellets, 2.5" 410 Gauge - Manufactured by: Sellier & Bellot or 65826 - .410 Super-X Buckshot, 2-1/2" Shell, #000 Buck, 3 Pellets, 1300 fps, 5 Rounds Per Box - Manufactured by: Winchester I would think that 5 rapid shots of those, 15 .36cal balls flying down range, would be rather destructive in an invasion situation.

10-20-2007, 11:54 AM	#44
gandog56 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Montgomery, IL. Posts: 4,193	I like how the Taurus commercial there makes it seem that the shot spreading out quicker is a good thing. I'm undecided which would be better. Yeah a carjacker in my window seems like a good time for spreading out. But how about for that snake 5-10 feet away?

10-22-2007, 10:26 AM	#46
gandog56 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Montgomery, IL. Posts: 4,193	Too bad Illinois makes it illegal to carry a loaded weapon in the car...PERIOD!

11-10-2007, 01:52 PM	#51
texas shooter Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 64	There's a good gun review and test on this on the Taurus home site, good reading. He brings up a good point on how the shot cups make the shot pull after a distance dur to the rifling which is understandable. But then gives an idea of getting some old .410 paper wads which should stop or lower that problem. Gives an idea for some reloads, huh.

12-18-2007, 09:20 AM	#52
Jerinmn Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Coon Rapids, Minnesota Posts: 1	45/410 Bad vibes already I just bought a Taurus Judge. Had it for about 20 minutes before i had to send it back to the factory. i took it home - started to load it and it came apart on me. seems that the ejector plunger assembly (i thinks thats what its called) was put together wrong at the factory and was stripped when put together. i think taurus has a Quality Assurance problem. i even called taurus but i got the impression that they really didn't care. i've heard good reviews about the Judge and thought i could use it here in Minnesota for bird hunting, but i guess not this year. seems it might be 6-8 weeks before i get it back. i'll keep tab on all the postings for more shooting results with the Judge and hopefully get mine back soon to try it out.

12-21-2007, 01:51 PM	#53
ouhouseking Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 4	Which is better, 3" or 6" barrel?

01-23-2008, 09:19 PM	#57
TXplt Lost in the Ozone Again Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 2,773 Images: 4 Blog Entries: 2	Shotgun, If it's any consolation, I own 2 (both 3"; one steel one UL) and have had no problems so far. Have about 120 rds total thru the steel; 100 thru UL. Mix of .45, 000, and .410. Have shot the buffalo bore heavy standard pressure (which are not +P but heavy normal pressure loadings w/255gr keith). Both have been great pistols so far. I like Taurus firearms, but they never got back to me when I faxed them about suitability of cor-bon's thru it.

01-23-2008, 11:17 PM	#58
Shotgun Willie Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ft Worth, Texas Posts: 9	Oooops, I did it again...... Thanks for the reassurance because I went out this morning and bought another Taurus. This time a used one (I'm not sure about the model number and the gun store guy wasn't either). It's a snub nose .38 Special with a bobbed hammer in stainless steel with a fancy wood grip. It predates the built in key safety, but I don't know when Taurus adapted that. I took some pictures but don't know how to insert them here. Anyway, the fit and finish is excellent. Thanks again for the reassurance of the products.

01-23-2008, 11:28 PM	#59
TXplt Lost in the Ozone Again Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 2,773 Images: 4 Blog Entries: 2	Personally, I think these are great options for home defense and car/field guns as long as the limitations are well understood and the guns loaded properly for anticipated threats (i.e. Bird, bird, .45, .45, .45; Buck Buck .45, .45, .45; Bird, Buck, .45 .45; Buck, .45, Buck, .45...... etc......). For me, I don't see it as a CCW gun just due to its rapid shot dispersion and the very real possibility that shot could go where I don't want it to go. But there might be others where this situation wouldn't pose as much of a problem.

01-24-2008, 12:16 AM	#60
Shotgun Willie Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ft Worth, Texas Posts: 9	Self Defense Hopefully, none of us will ever have occasion to gain any practical experience in defending ourselves or our families, but I'm figuring on the equivilent of "buck fever" if I do. So the .410 component appeals to me. We just had an incident in DFW where an undercover cop who had been working a prostitution "sting" operation was done and headed to his car to go home when he was jumped in the motel parking lot by a robber with a gun. As instructed, he gave him his wallet, but when the robber wanted him to lie down in the front seat of his car, he balked and pulled his gun. A gunfight broke out and the robber wound up running for his car with the cop in foot pursuit and both shooting at each other. The cop finally brought him down, but it was later determined the cop went through all the bullets in his gun plus two more full clips. There were bullet marks everywhere between the two of them. Moral to that is even trained cops, and "robbers in the trade" don't get into gunfights often enough to gain any "cold eyed" experience at it and even they get buck fever and blow some shots. Starting out with a .410 shell makes lots of sense to me. Part of a .410 hitting the perp is better than a .45 in the air. It's got to get his attention.