just wondering

bored2bhere · 11-17-2007, 10:16 PM

i dont carry but im wondering how many of u have thought about tatics and how many of u r willing to kill to protect urself

BattleRifleG3 · 11-17-2007, 11:06 PM

To me it's a moral decision that someone has to settle in their conscience and then discipline themselves to follow if the time comes, so that one doesn't take the time to think when they need to act.

Part of the principle to me is exhausting all other options expediently enough that you can still use the last resort if it's all you have. Back in the late '90s, I was much more skilled with my legs than with any sort of weapon, and the best course of action in practically any situation would have been to run. Now that I'm not as fast as I used to be, the list of options before using deadly force is shorter. If I can escape and a loved one isn't in danger, I'd still rather do that than enter a deadly confrontation. In any situation, some options aren't there, and you have to think fast enough to eliminate them.

I believe that the time to shoot is when it is the only choice left, and it should be the last thing you actually want to do.

bored2bhere · 11-17-2007, 11:10 PM

well said

gunney_m · 11-17-2007, 11:10 PM

If my life(or a loved one's)is in danger ill make someone a new a**hole.

Father Time · 11-18-2007, 06:19 PM

Self preservation, (and by extension the preservation of others,) requires it.

two-70 · 11-18-2007, 06:36 PM

I agree with battle rifle

schu · 11-19-2007, 05:44 PM

CCW carries a very heavy burden/responsibilities. One has to have the mindset, disipline and training to deal with situations that escalate quickly. You need to be able to make fast decisions based on the criteria before you. Then can you live with the decision too or, not too, react?
My personal choice to protect my self, my family and others who may be in harms way. I shall not willingly give in to thugs, theives and nere'do-wells. They made their choice and I mine.
Hopefully my resolve will not have to be tested.

Schu

SilentSoul · 11-19-2007, 08:31 PM

I have always said. When backed into a corner people will do things they said they never would. Especially when your family is involved.

bored2bhere · 11-19-2007, 08:33 PM

true true

gunney_m · 11-19-2007, 08:37 PM

How's this: If you are found here tonight, you will be found here tomarrow...

bored2bhere · 11-19-2007, 08:40 PM

? if ure asking if im willing to kill yes i am if its me or him

Farmer · 11-19-2007, 08:42 PM

Article 9 under the human rights accord.
You are allowed and can be acpected to protect yourself and others from threat in an appropriate manner.

We dont have gun laws enshrined in australia so we need to remember things like this

gunney_m · 11-19-2007, 08:43 PM

Yes...

Muskogee's saying and law on the subject is: The Make My Day Law, any sighn of forced entry or your life is in danger and you can justify it: fill em full of lead.

ArkansasHunter · 11-19-2007, 08:51 PM

My son the cop has taught me the tactics he learned at his Police Acadmy, some I have forgotton.
To be honest if I had to draw on a person who had the intent to rob me or what ever. I would see what Instrument of crime he had ,if given time.
If he had a knife or club I would oviously pull my pistol and holler a warning to Stop or Back Off ( until I'm put in that situation I'll say I don't want to shoot anyone)
With that said if the bad guy didn't obey my command to stand down I would shoot him grave yard dead !
If the assailent had a gun It will be him or me...If he/she is weilding a gun, the best shot wins...A.H

billy · 11-19-2007, 08:53 PM

if there is absolutely no way for me to run away from the threat .
then i will shoot and keep shooting until that threat is no more.
i WILL NOT kill over property.
if they want it that bad they can have it.

that said .
the smallest caliber handguns i own would make a devastating wound.

CrazyIvan · 11-20-2007, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bored2bhere

i dont carry but im wondering how many of u have thought about tatics and how many of u r willing to kill to protect urself

I am never willing to kill...EVER. I am, however, inclined and prepared to defend myself, those I love or the defenseless amongst our society.

I am prepared to use the proper level of force necessary to dissolve the situation should such a situation arise.

This should be your outlook. You don't Carry a weapon as a citizen to go around killing people. It is to protect & defend. The offender decides what level of force is required to make them stop. Should it come to discharging your firearm, it was their choice to heighten their threat which made you decide to do so. Shooting someone should only be done to stop the threat, not to kill someone. If they die from their wounds, it is their fault for committing a crime worthy (as in bad enough) of being shot.

rckymtnboy · 11-20-2007, 02:02 PM

When I was younger, like Gunney, I had the same "Dirty Harry" mindset that I could just kill anyone that was a threat and have no problem with it. The older I get, the more I realize that the people you have to kill live with you forever in your head. You're not just killing a "bad guy", you're killing someone's son, brother, uncle, or dad. Shooting someone in real life isn't like a scene from a Hollywood movie, and no matter how prepared you think you are, it will change you forever.

BattleRifleG3 · 11-20-2007, 04:07 PM

I think CrazyIvan's approach is a good one too.

Windwalker · 11-20-2007, 06:59 PM

Ivan is right. You must neutralize the threat. If it requires shooting, shoot. If it requires more than one shot keep shooting until the threat is neutralized.If the perp dies from his wounds it was his actions that caused them.

gunney_m · 11-20-2007, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rckymtnboy

When I was younger, like Gunney, I had the same "Dirty Harry" mindset that I could just kill anyone that was a threat and have no problem with it. The older I get, the more I realize that the people you have to kill live with you forever in your head. You're not just killing a "bad guy", you're killing someone's son, brother, uncle, or dad. Shooting someone in real life isn't like a scene from a Hollywood movie, and no matter how prepared you think you are, it will change you forever.

I hear you, I know it will change me forever, but like Ivan said I WILL neutralize the threat, if it ends up I have to kill, I will. Id rather be tried by 12 than carryied by 6.

11-17-2007, 10:16 PM	#1
bored2bhere Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: mississippi Posts: 396 Trader Rating: (0)	just wondering i dont carry but im wondering how many of u have thought about tatics and how many of u r willing to kill to protect urself __________________ "Only the dead have seen the end of war"-Apolos

11-17-2007, 11:06 PM	#2
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Trader Rating: (0)	To me it's a moral decision that someone has to settle in their conscience and then discipline themselves to follow if the time comes, so that one doesn't take the time to think when they need to act. Part of the principle to me is exhausting all other options expediently enough that you can still use the last resort if it's all you have. Back in the late '90s, I was much more skilled with my legs than with any sort of weapon, and the best course of action in practically any situation would have been to run. Now that I'm not as fast as I used to be, the list of options before using deadly force is shorter. If I can escape and a loved one isn't in danger, I'd still rather do that than enter a deadly confrontation. In any situation, some options aren't there, and you have to think fast enough to eliminate them. I believe that the time to shoot is when it is the only choice left, and it should be the last thing you actually want to do. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

11-17-2007, 11:10 PM	#3
bored2bhere Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: mississippi Posts: 396 Trader Rating: (0)	well said __________________ "Only the dead have seen the end of war"-Apolos

11-18-2007, 06:19 PM	#5
Father Time Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 375 Trader Rating: (0)	Self preservation, (and by extension the preservation of others,) requires it. __________________ You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

11-18-2007, 06:36 PM	#6
two-70 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: ponca city, oklahoma Posts: 1,778 Trader Rating: (0)	I agree with battle rifle __________________ What Would Jesus Do ????? Just Ask Him.

11-17-2007, 11:10 PM	#4
gunney_m Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Muskogee,Ok Posts: 1,931 Trader Rating: (0)	If my life(or a loved one's)is in danger ill make someone a new a**hole.

11-19-2007, 05:44 PM	#7
schu Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Central Florida Posts: 34 Trader Rating: (0)	CCW carries a very heavy burden/responsibilities. One has to have the mindset, disipline and training to deal with situations that escalate quickly. You need to be able to make fast decisions based on the criteria before you. Then can you live with the decision too or, not too, react? My personal choice to protect my self, my family and others who may be in harms way. I shall not willingly give in to thugs, theives and nere'do-wells. They made their choice and I mine. Hopefully my resolve will not have to be tested. Schu

11-19-2007, 08:31 PM	#8
SilentSoul Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 603 Trader Rating: (0)	I have always said. When backed into a corner people will do things they said they never would. Especially when your family is involved.

11-19-2007, 08:33 PM	#9
bored2bhere Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: mississippi Posts: 396 Trader Rating: (0)	true true __________________ "Only the dead have seen the end of war"-Apolos

11-19-2007, 08:37 PM	#10
gunney_m Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Muskogee,Ok Posts: 1,931 Trader Rating: (0)	How's this: If you are found here tonight, you will be found here tomarrow...

11-19-2007, 08:40 PM	#11
bored2bhere Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: mississippi Posts: 396 Trader Rating: (0)	? if ure asking if im willing to kill yes i am if its me or him __________________ "Only the dead have seen the end of war"-Apolos

11-19-2007, 08:42 PM	#12
Farmer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Limbri NSW Au Posts: 293 Trader Rating: (0)	Article 9 under the human rights accord. You are allowed and can be acpected to protect yourself and others from threat in an appropriate manner. We dont have gun laws enshrined in australia so we need to remember things like this

11-19-2007, 08:43 PM	#13
gunney_m Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Muskogee,Ok Posts: 1,931 Trader Rating: (0)	Yes... Muskogee's saying and law on the subject is: The Make My Day Law, any sighn of forced entry or your life is in danger and you can justify it: fill em full of lead. Last edited by gunney_m; 11-19-2007 at 08:45 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

11-19-2007, 08:51 PM	#14
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,504 Trader Rating: (0)	My son the cop has taught me the tactics he learned at his Police Acadmy, some I have forgotton. To be honest if I had to draw on a person who had the intent to rob me or what ever. I would see what Instrument of crime he had ,if given time. If he had a knife or club I would oviously pull my pistol and holler a warning to Stop or Back Off ( until I'm put in that situation I'll say I don't want to shoot anyone) With that said if the bad guy didn't obey my command to stand down I would shoot him grave yard dead ! If the assailent had a gun It will be him or me...If he/she is weilding a gun, the best shot wins...A.H

11-19-2007, 08:53 PM	#15
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 10,865 Trader Rating: (0)	if there is absolutely no way for me to run away from the threat . then i will shoot and keep shooting until that threat is no more. i WILL NOT kill over property. if they want it that bad they can have it. that said . the smallest caliber handguns i own would make a devastating wound. __________________ i'll keep an eye out for ya! Last edited by billy; 11-19-2007 at 08:56 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

11-20-2007, 02:02 PM	#17
rckymtnboy Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: I am a dual resident. Posts: 340 Trader Rating: (0)	When I was younger, like Gunney, I had the same "Dirty Harry" mindset that I could just kill anyone that was a threat and have no problem with it. The older I get, the more I realize that the people you have to kill live with you forever in your head. You're not just killing a "bad guy", you're killing someone's son, brother, uncle, or dad. Shooting someone in real life isn't like a scene from a Hollywood movie, and no matter how prepared you think you are, it will change you forever. __________________ When they come for my guns, I'll give 'em the bullets first!

11-20-2007, 04:07 PM	#18
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Trader Rating: (0)	I think CrazyIvan's approach is a good one too. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

11-20-2007, 06:59 PM	#19
Windwalker Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 3,271 Trader Rating: (0)	Ivan is right. You must neutralize the threat. If it requires shooting, shoot. If it requires more than one shot keep shooting until the threat is neutralized.If the perp dies from his wounds it was his actions that caused them.