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[ArkansasHunter]

We need to show more sympathy for these people.
* They travel miles in the heat.
* They risk their lives crossing a border.
* They don't get paid enough wages.
* They do jobs that others won't do or are afraid to do.
* They live in crowded conditions among a people who speak a different language
* They rarely see their families, and they face adversity all day every day.
I'm not talking about illegal Mexicans;
I'm talking about our troops!
Doesn't it seem strange that many Democrats and Republicans are willing to lavish all kinds of social benefits on illegals, but don't support our troops and are now threatening to defund them?
Please pass this on; this is worth more than the short time it takes to read it.

[gunney_m]

Ok I will.

[troy2000]

I support our troops. I'd like to see them stop getting killed pulling someone else's chestnuts out of the fire. I'd like to see them home, instead of stuck between three or four different groups of Muslims, who hate each other so much the only thing they can agree on is killing the Americans who are trying to keep the peace between them.

I support our troops. I don't want more of them killed for nothing, just because people are afraid to admit it was a stupid, unnecessary mission from day one to invade Iraq.

I support our troops. I think if they'd all been sent to Afghanistan instead of Iraq, it might have made us safer instead of more at risk.

I support our troops. And in no way, shape or form does that mean I have to support the idiot who's gotten thousands of them killed and maimed for no good reason.

Don't try to tell me I don't support the troops. I support them more than the people who want them to keep getting killed thousands of miles away, in a country that wasn't even a threat to us at the time we invaded it.

[two-70]

Troy said it for sure

[Coulter]

Originally Posted by troy2000

I support our troops. And in no way, shape or form does that mean I have to support the idiot who's gotten thousands of them killed and maimed for no good reason.

Don't try to tell me I don't support the troops. I support them more than the people who want them to keep getting killed thousands of miles away, in a country that wasn't even a threat to us at the time we invaded it.

When you say you support them what do you mean?

I mean exactly how do you support them?

Do you think America would be safer if we brought them all home tomorrow?

Do you believe that a sizeable number of Muslims want to see America destroyed?

Or are you one of those liberals who believe that Islam is a religion of peace?

[Windwalker]

I can hardly wait for the reply. It should be a barn burner!

[FutureMarine9]

i think that taking the military out too quickly would be a mistake and would look more like a defeat to other countries and people that hate America, but at the time with the information that our government gave us,the American people. going to war with iraq seemed like the appropriate action but looking back on it the decision was made too hastily and more proof should have been given, but just because we didn't find any "WMD's" doesn't mean they weren't there at some point in time......

but anyways I love and appreciate our fighting men and women and hate hearing about KIA's in iraq...and I think that even though some people in the government don't support the war they should at least support the U.S. Armed Forces and and i really think they should be getting paid more not less and im not just saying that because i want to enlist, even if i wasn't going to i would still believe that they deserve better

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Coulter

When you say you support them what do you mean?
I mean exactly how do you support them?
Do you think America would be safer if we brought them all home tomorrow?
Do you believe that a sizeable number of Muslims want to see America destroyed?
Or are you one of those liberals who believe that Islam is a religion of peace?

4. By your definition, I'm a liberal. And I'm proud of it. While too many conservatives are looking backward and trying to recapture imagined days of glory gone by when everything was wonderful, liberals are looking forward and trying to deal with what's coming, instead.

The mere fact that you use the word liberal as an insult, instead of a description, pretty much tells me all I care to know about your politics.

3. Why are you asking me about my opinion of Islam? Let me think back...nope. I sure don't remember Bush mentioning that the invasion of Iraq is part of a religious crusade against Muslims.

If we're in a war against Islam, why are we supporting Mushareff in Pakistan, Karzai in Afghanistan, the Royal Family in Saudi Arabia, Abbas in the Palestinian Authority, Aliyev in Azerbaijan, miscellaneous sheiks and emirs in the United Arab Emirates, and other Islamic rulers and governments from Indonesia to Egypt?

2. Do I believe America would be safer if we brought our forces home tomorrow? I'd say it's a little late for that. We already broke Iraq. I doubt we can put it back together again, but we have an obligation to try.

But I think we need to start drawing down troops soon, regardless of what's happening. They aren't going to sort out their own problems there while they're busy shooting at us instead, so we need to reduce our presence until they realize we aren't going to do their dirty work for them any more.

Then we can send some of those troops to Afghanistan instead, where they should've been all along.

1. How do I support the troops? I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you over that; what I do on my own time is my own business.

But I'll tell you what I don't do: I don't encourage the fools in the White House to keep getting our men and women in uniform killed pointlessly, with no clear objectives or goals, because "it'll make us look bad and send the wrong message," or any other rot like that.

Originally Posted by Windwalker

I can hardly wait for the reply. It should be a barn burner!

Did that light enough fires for you, Windwalker? Or do I need to dig out another book of matches?

Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

Doesn't it seem strange that many Democrats and Republicans are willing to lavish all kinds of social benefits on illegals, but don't support our troops and are now threatening to defund them?
Please pass this on; this is worth more than the short time it takes to read it.

Sorry, Mike; I didn't really start out to hijack your thread. I know you're more interested in the well-being of our people over there than you are in the ins and outs of who's right or wrong at this point.

[wideym]

"I Support the Troops" is mostly a bumper sticker in America. People say they support the troops all the time on tv, radio, and in the Capitol. More people call and vote for American Idol than call their Congressman about continuing or ending troop prerecene in Iraq.

If everyone who claims to support the troops called the .gov and demanded troops be paid at a level they should be, there would be no enlistment problems and standards wouldn't be lowered, they would be raised.

It's pretty clear most if not all Democrats wish for a troop pullout in Iraq, if they truly belived that they would not cave to President Bush and the Republicans accusations they don't support the troops.

Everybody supports the troops in different ways, from sending letters and care packages to lobbying Congress for a pull out.

Don't be one of the bumper sticker crowd. Deeds not words. Call your Congressman today and let him know how you feel. (And don't forget to ask for a payraise for the troops

[ArkansasHunter]

troy no need to apolijize... I think the world of you feller and I'm somewhere in the middle ...Mike aka A.H

[Rave]

Originally Posted by troy2000

I support our troops. I'd like to see them stop getting killed pulling someone else's chestnuts out of the fire. I'd like to see them home, instead of stuck between three or four different groups of Muslims, who hate each other so much the only thing they can agree on is killing the Americans who are trying to keep the peace between them.
I support our troops. I don't want more of them killed for nothing, just because people are afraid to admit it was a stupid, unnecessary mission from day one to invade Iraq.
I support our troops. I think if they'd all been sent to Afghanistan instead of Iraq, it might have made us safer instead of more at risk.
I support our troops. And in no way, shape or form does that mean I have to support the idiot who's gotten thousands of them killed and maimed for no good reason.
Don't try to tell me I don't support the troops. I support them more than the people who want them to keep getting killed thousands of miles away, in a country that wasn't even a threat to us at the time we invaded it.

Well,Troy,in spite of me being no-count,I have to agree with every word you said,and then some that can't be said with out recriminations.

[Oxford]

At my 7 a.m. Rotary Club breakfast meeting this morning, two Army soldiers from the Leavenworth Advanced Military Training School attended our meeting and were the program.

Both were career officers working as M.P.'s. One was a West Point graduate, and had a tremendous resume which I couldn't even begin to repeat because of all actions that soldier had been involved in since 1998. The other had a similar history of U.S. Army service in both Afghanastan, Iraq and other sites around the globe. They were excellent communicators and represented the Army very well.

In listening to both discuss some of the "hot" spots they had served, it was clear they were totally dedicated to follow our military leaders, and were totally "positive" about their belief that the conditions in Afghanastan were significantly better than before the U.S. involvement...and that in Iraq our forces are working hard trying to win over the older citizen leaders because their system their seems to be that the elders lead the people and the young people follow them.

BTW, the first soldier I described was a young woman about 5'1" and had a higher rank than the other. The second soldier listed above was her husband.(ha) They had met in their earlier part of their career, served in different countries at various times...and eventually were married. Also, the young lady was pregnant, too. Couldn't tell, though, because of their loose fitting camo's. They even got to attend Command School at Leavenworth together.

[jerry]

Originally Posted by Oxford

In listening to both discuss some of the "hot" spots they had served, it was clear they were totally dedicated to follow our military leaders, and were totally "positive" about their belief that the conditions in Afghanastan were significantly better than before the U.S. involvement...and that in Iraq our forces are working hard trying to win over the older citizen leaders because their system their seems to be that the elders lead the people and the young people follow them.

Excellent representation Ox. When we go off to war, we don't have an opinion, we have a job. I served under Regan, Clinton, GWI, GWII, don't matter. We work our hardest for the average American & hope and pray it works out as it has for over 200 years. Our fate is in God's hands, not the politicians.

Regards,
Jerry

[Coulter]

Troy 2000
“By your definition, I'm a liberal.”

How do you know what my definition of a liberal is? Generally one of the criteria for being a liberal is being anti gun so I am a little puzzled by you.

What is your definition of a liberal? I mean you use it to describe yourself.

“While too many conservatives are looking backward and trying to recapture imagined days of glory gone by when everything was wonderful,”

I admit this is a fairly accurate statement.
Most conservatives believe that the country is close to being destroyed or past the brink of being saved and most of us are convinced that liberals are to blame. I must admit if it is the liberals goal to destroy America (and I believe it is) they are winning.

“liberals are looking forward and trying to deal with what's coming, instead.”

Exactly what are liberals looking forward to dealing with? What is coming?

“Why are you asking me about my opinion of Islam? Let me think back...nope. I sure don't remember Bush mentioning that the invasion of Iraq is part of a religious crusade against Muslims.
If we're in a war against Islam, why are we supporting Mushareff in Pakistan, Karzai in Afghanistan, the Royal Family in Saudi Arabia, Abbas in the Palestinian Authority, Aliyev in Azerbaijan, miscellaneous sheiks and emirs in the United Arab Emirates, and other Islamic rulers and governments from Indonesia to Egypt?”

I ask if “YOU believe that a sizeable number of Muslims want to see America destroyed?” Not why Bush wanted to go to war in Iraq.

Come on now I'm not going to “waste more time on someone who's either deliberately misunderstanding me to keep an argument going, or has such flawed reading comprehension that he can't understand plain English.”

So what is your answer?

“Then we can send some of those troops to Afghanistan instead, where they should've been all along.”

Why should we be in Afghanistan?

“How do I support the troops? I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you over that;”

To me saying that thousands of our soldiers have been “killed and maimed for no good reason” is something the enemy loves hearing.

I have to wonder does saying that embolden our enemy to kill more of our soldiers or just demoralize our troops?

So in reality does the person who said it really support our troops or the enemy?

I also wonder if the liberals would have supported the war instead of trying to bring Bush down would we be in the mess were in. Not to mention how many of our troops would be alive today. Maybe just maybe the war would be over right now.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Coulter

Troy 2000
“By your definition, I'm a liberal.”
How do you know what my definition of a liberal is? Generally one of the criteria for being a liberal is being anti gun so I am a little puzzled by you.
What is your definition of a liberal? I mean you use it to describe yourself.
“While too many conservatives are looking backward and trying to recapture imagined days of glory gone by when everything was wonderful,”
I admit this is a fairly accurate statement.
Most conservatives believe that the country is close to being destroyed or past the brink of being saved and most of us are convinced that liberals are to blame. I must admit if it is the liberals goal to destroy America (and I believe it is) they are winning.
“liberals are looking forward and trying to deal with what's coming, instead.”
Exactly what are liberals looking forward to dealing with? What is coming?
“Why are you asking me about my opinion of Islam? Let me think back...nope. I sure don't remember Bush mentioning that the invasion of Iraq is part of a religious crusade against Muslims.
If we're in a war against Islam, why are we supporting Mushareff in Pakistan, Karzai in Afghanistan, the Royal Family in Saudi Arabia, Abbas in the Palestinian Authority, Aliyev in Azerbaijan, miscellaneous sheiks and emirs in the United Arab Emirates, and other Islamic rulers and governments from Indonesia to Egypt?”
I ask if “YOU believe that a sizeable number of Muslims want to see America destroyed?” Not why Bush wanted to go to war in Iraq.
Come on now I'm not going to “waste more time on someone who's either deliberately misunderstanding me to keep an argument going, or has such flawed reading comprehension that he can't understand plain English.”
So what is your answer?
“Then we can send some of those troops to Afghanistan instead, where they should've been all along.”
Why should we be in Afghanistan?
“How do I support the troops? I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you over that;”
To me saying that thousands of our soldiers have been “killed and maimed for no good reason” is something the enemy loves hearing.
I have to wonder does saying that embolden our enemy to kill more of our soldiers or just demoralize our troops?
So in reality does the person who said it really support our troops or the enemy?
I also wonder if the liberals would have supported the war instead of trying to bring Bush down would we be in the mess were in. Not to mention how many of our troops would be alive today. Maybe just maybe the war would be over right now.

Why did you come to this forum, Coulter? Just so you could follow me around and quibble with everything I say? Jeez, kid...get a life.

I've told you once I wasn't going to waste any more time with you. And for you to accuse liberals of somehow being responsible for Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld's mess is an act of such breathtaking hypocrisy that it just reinforces my decision.
From now on, I won't bother to read anything you post.

But on my way out the door, let me point out that I used to be one of "our troops." I have the ribbons, the medical boards and the scars to prove it. And you know what? "Our troops" don't "demoralize" nearly as easily as people like you would have us believe; they aren't a bunch of candy-*** teenybopper girls, with fragile self-esteem that needs protection and nurturing. Stop insulting them by pretending we need to shelter them from the truth.

[Coulter]

Originally Posted by troy2000

"Our troops" don't "demoralize" nearly as easily as people like you would have us believe; they aren't a bunch of candy-*** teenybopper girls, with fragile self-esteem that needs protection and nurturing. Stop insulting them by pretending we need to shelter them from the truth.

Tell me how you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the 99 American soldiers who have commited suicide since going to Iraq is not a result of the constant anti war anti Bush anti soldier liberal media's influence to some degree.

Shelter them from the truth? I think they are well aware of the liberal media's influence in strenghening the enemy's desire to kill them and at the same time restricting their ability to respond to these attacks resulting in our soldiers deaths.