Wolf ammo revisted

mosineer · 01-13-2008, 07:51 AM

OK, oldjarhead got me thinking with a comment on Wolf ammo in a recent post. So I delved back into the G&G archives. And it appears there is a consensus that Wolf is not good for the old carbine. We have so many new members with the carbines, thought it might be a good time to re-hash discussion on Wolf and ammo in general for the carbines. Now, I have not experienced or seen the problems that many have spoken of with Wolf, in fact it has performed better than expected. However, if there is any possibility it will damage one of my favorite firearms, what I have left will go in the last resort ammo can for storage. So some questions:
Has anyone seen any damage occur attributed to use of the metal casings, or Wolf ammo in general in the M1 carbine?
What part of the carbine could be affected the most?
Is the newer production ammo any better than older?
Is there any brass cased ammo that should be avoided?

Mos

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doctor rizz · 01-13-2008, 10:57 AM

The only problems that I have had with the Wolf ammo is that it seems that it does not feed right sometimes, like the round will jam the bolt back and not feed a new round. I have used Winchester and Remington and have never had problems with either. The only reason I shoot the ammo is because it is cheap.

gwhaling · 01-13-2008, 11:43 AM

I have used 100 rds of wolf ammo with no disasters. Had a couple of rds that did not feed, this was steel cased. Probably will not buy anymore. I have used pmc ammo with good results.

Orlando · 01-13-2008, 02:20 PM

If its no good for carbines why did CMP sell it for them? Some say its hard on extractors? , Matbe but they are cheap and easily replaced parts. I don't use Wolf in my carbines as I have a good supply of Brass but know many who do and if thats all I had I would use it also

NRAJOE · 01-13-2008, 02:21 PM

I use WOLF 7.62X39 and 9mm only.

Orlando · 01-13-2008, 08:28 PM

CMP Discussion Forum - .30 M1 Carbine Wolf Ammo

jimb2 · 01-13-2008, 09:11 PM

Orlando, I have broken extractors on other firearms using Wolf steel case ammo. Since extractors are the weak point on the carbine, I see no reason to subject them to ammo that is known to be hard on extractors. And I also know of others who have had to replace carbine extractors after using Wolf Steel case. Aside from the extractor issue, Wolf also tends to be quite dirty compared to most other ammo. Plus it is not reloadable....another big minus in my book.

Orlando · 01-14-2008, 05:29 AM

Like I stated already yes it may be hard on extractors but with the money you save on ammo it will buy many of them plus some. Yep it is dirty but then again whats a little dirt compared to tyhe money you save. Personally I don't use it in my carbine but have shot thousands of rds through my AR without any damage . The ammo isn't perfect but saying that it is "not good for the carbine" I can't agree

jimb2 · 01-14-2008, 09:23 PM

That is fine if you have an ordinary shooter grade, but if you have a collector grade that you like to shoot, the potential for damage to the extractor can be costly. Sometimes finding the correct replacement extractor can take a very long time and be fairly pricey.

oldjarhead · 01-15-2008, 01:15 AM

It's not only the extractor that could be damaged but the chamber, over time, could experience excessive wear. I'm sure it would take several thousand rounds but steel-on-steel is not a good thing. Brass being a softer metal will not cause the abrasive reaction to the chamber. I will shoot Wolf and other steel cases in my Ruger Mini-30 because I don't care what happens to the Ruger; it's a POC and only good for plinking or spraying anyway. But my better rifles and carbines deserve brass. Of course the steel stuff is cheaper but it has it's other prices...and you can't reload it.
It's a personal choice.
Have you ever worn your brake pads down to a steel-on-steel situation? Same effect.

GlockMeister · 01-15-2008, 01:28 AM

This is only my personal statement and opinion.

The only Wolf ammo I'll ever use will be the green lacquer/clear coated ammo and I'll only use it in the eastern bloc countries firearms, SKS,AK etc.etc.etc. Those firearms seem to eat that stuff up. My personal opinion as to why, is because the tolerances on them (the SKS and AK) is no where near as specific or as tight as our American or mil. spec firearms are. Not to mention those firearms seem to be cheaper to replace.

In the many posts, on this forum and the many others that I've read on this, the Wolf ammo I mentioned, the green lacquer/clear coated stuff, which in my opinion, is only put on it to help keep it from corroding and to keep the powder and primers dry. The primer and bullet shaft also get the red sealer. But that lacquer or clear coat tends to gum up the American made firearms. I've read as well as been told that the hotter the firearm gets from cycling rounds, the more that coating heats up and then starts to stick to the chamber walls and begins to gum up the works. I've heard so many complain, after using it and the gun getting hot, that the rounds are hard to chamber and ejection problems occur. I've yet to experience that myself, but then I more then likely never will. Because I refuse to use that particular ammo in any American made firearm I have or may have or get.

As for the Wolf brass ammo, I've never even considered buying it because there is so much more brass ammo out there that unless that is all I can buy, there is no need to start buying it until then. So I honestly can give no useful information, good or bad, about the Wolf brass ammo.

G-Meister

Orlando · 01-15-2008, 05:27 AM

Yes on a collector carbine I agree it may be best not to use but I call BS on the wear on the chamber

oldjarhead · 01-15-2008, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orlando

Yes on a collector carbine I agree it may be best not to use but I call BS on the wear on the chamber

Only time will tell, meanwhile I'll stick to brass.

GM, I've experienced sluggish extraction and chambering with the 7.62x39...never thought about the clear-coat sticking to the chamber. Thanks for mentioning it. I've used Wolf and Brown Bear...prefer the Brown Bear but it seems to be getting hard to find out here.

I've never seen brass cased Wolf in this area, in any caliber.

CMP's Aguila works well. It's not as 'dirty' shooting as it used to be.

jimb2 · 01-16-2008, 07:05 PM

Try their ammo in a Mosin....see how badly it sticks in the chamber. Sometimes it is almost impossible to open the bolt! I think they issued a wooden maul with the ammo!

jmp8927 · 01-16-2008, 07:15 PM

I use Wolf in my SKS and it loves it! However, I haven't used it in anything else.

Orlando · 01-16-2008, 07:15 PM

Jimb2, just curious did you use the laquer coated or the new poly coated? Never heard anyone have any problems with the new coating sticking.

jimb2 · 01-19-2008, 08:25 PM

Lacquer coated....After the bad luck I've had with that ammo, I have no inclination to try anything it again. There are better products on the market, in my opinion, so why bother. Besides, I reload everything anyway, so I almost never buy ammo anymore.

01-13-2008, 07:51 AM	#1
mosineer Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 1,299	Wolf ammo revisted OK, oldjarhead got me thinking with a comment on Wolf ammo in a recent post. So I delved back into the G&G archives. And it appears there is a consensus that Wolf is not good for the old carbine. We have so many new members with the carbines, thought it might be a good time to re-hash discussion on Wolf and ammo in general for the carbines. Now, I have not experienced or seen the problems that many have spoken of with Wolf, in fact it has performed better than expected. However, if there is any possibility it will damage one of my favorite firearms, what I have left will go in the last resort ammo can for storage. So some questions: Has anyone seen any damage occur attributed to use of the metal casings, or Wolf ammo in general in the M1 carbine? What part of the carbine could be affected the most? Is the newer production ammo any better than older? Is there any brass cased ammo that should be avoided? Mos *************************************************** All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing**

01-13-2008, 11:43 AM	#3
gwhaling Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 13	wolf amm I have used 100 rds of wolf ammo with no disasters. Had a couple of rds that did not feed, this was steel cased. Probably will not buy anymore. I have used pmc ammo with good results.

01-13-2008, 02:21 PM	#5
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,043 Images: 3	I use WOLF 7.62X39 and 9mm only. __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

01-13-2008, 09:11 PM	#7
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 511	Orlando, I have broken extractors on other firearms using Wolf steel case ammo. Since extractors are the weak point on the carbine, I see no reason to subject them to ammo that is known to be hard on extractors. And I also know of others who have had to replace carbine extractors after using Wolf Steel case. Aside from the extractor issue, Wolf also tends to be quite dirty compared to most other ammo. Plus it is not reloadable....another big minus in my book. __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...

01-14-2008, 09:23 PM	#9
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 511	That is fine if you have an ordinary shooter grade, but if you have a collector grade that you like to shoot, the potential for damage to the extractor can be costly. Sometimes finding the correct replacement extractor can take a very long time and be fairly pricey. __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...

01-13-2008, 10:57 AM	#2
doctor rizz Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 86	The only problems that I have had with the Wolf ammo is that it seems that it does not feed right sometimes, like the round will jam the bolt back and not feed a new round. I have used Winchester and Remington and have never had problems with either. The only reason I shoot the ammo is because it is cheap.

01-13-2008, 02:20 PM	#4
Orlando Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 530	If its no good for carbines why did CMP sell it for them? Some say its hard on extractors? , Matbe but they are cheap and easily replaced parts. I don't use Wolf in my carbines as I have a good supply of Brass but know many who do and if thats all I had I would use it also

01-13-2008, 08:28 PM	#6
Orlando Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 530	CMP Discussion Forum - .30 M1 Carbine Wolf Ammo

01-14-2008, 05:29 AM	#8
Orlando Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 530	Like I stated already yes it may be hard on extractors but with the money you save on ammo it will buy many of them plus some. Yep it is dirty but then again whats a little dirt compared to tyhe money you save. Personally I don't use it in my carbine but have shot thousands of rds through my AR without any damage . The ammo isn't perfect but saying that it is "not good for the carbine" I can't agree

01-15-2008, 01:15 AM	#10
oldjarhead Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Mansfield, MO Posts: 814	It's not only the extractor that could be damaged but the chamber, over time, could experience excessive wear. I'm sure it would take several thousand rounds but steel-on-steel is not a good thing. Brass being a softer metal will not cause the abrasive reaction to the chamber. I will shoot Wolf and other steel cases in my Ruger Mini-30 because I don't care what happens to the Ruger; it's a POC and only good for plinking or spraying anyway. But my better rifles and carbines deserve brass. Of course the steel stuff is cheaper but it has it's other prices...and you can't reload it. It's a personal choice. Have you ever worn your brake pads down to a steel-on-steel situation? Same effect.

01-15-2008, 01:28 AM	#11
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 5,410	This is only my personal statement and opinion. The only Wolf ammo I'll ever use will be the green lacquer/clear coated ammo and I'll only use it in the eastern bloc countries firearms, SKS,AK etc.etc.etc. Those firearms seem to eat that stuff up. My personal opinion as to why, is because the tolerances on them (the SKS and AK) is no where near as specific or as tight as our American or mil. spec firearms are. Not to mention those firearms seem to be cheaper to replace. In the many posts, on this forum and the many others that I've read on this, the Wolf ammo I mentioned, the green lacquer/clear coated stuff, which in my opinion, is only put on it to help keep it from corroding and to keep the powder and primers dry. The primer and bullet shaft also get the red sealer. But that lacquer or clear coat tends to gum up the American made firearms. I've read as well as been told that the hotter the firearm gets from cycling rounds, the more that coating heats up and then starts to stick to the chamber walls and begins to gum up the works. I've heard so many complain, after using it and the gun getting hot, that the rounds are hard to chamber and ejection problems occur. I've yet to experience that myself, but then I more then likely never will. Because I refuse to use that particular ammo in any American made firearm I have or may have or get. As for the Wolf brass ammo, I've never even considered buying it because there is so much more brass ammo out there that unless that is all I can buy, there is no need to start buying it until then. So I honestly can give no useful information, good or bad, about the Wolf brass ammo. G-Meister __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

01-15-2008, 05:27 AM	#12
Orlando Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 530	Yes on a collector carbine I agree it may be best not to use but I call BS on the wear on the chamber

01-16-2008, 07:05 PM	#14
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 511	Try their ammo in a Mosin....see how badly it sticks in the chamber. Sometimes it is almost impossible to open the bolt! I think they issued a wooden maul with the ammo! __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...

01-16-2008, 07:15 PM	#15
jmp8927 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Walterboro, SC Posts: 1,136 Images: 15	I use Wolf in my SKS and it loves it! However, I haven't used it in anything else. __________________ Doing the unexpected makes the unexpected the expected and thus the expected becomes the unexpected.

01-19-2008, 08:25 PM	#17
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 511	Lacquer coated....After the bad luck I've had with that ammo, I have no inclination to try anything it again. There are better products on the market, in my opinion, so why bother. Besides, I reload everything anyway, so I almost never buy ammo anymore. __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...