Where to go when the shtf

stikbutter · 01-13-2008, 01:00 PM

Here is a viable quetion?
Where to go, bugging out to a different state not knowing anybody is a bad idea in my mind.
This also depends on what kind of shtf. Nuclear, jet stream pushes to the east dropping radiation. Most nuclear silos are west of us, thus this a concern. Where do you hide not just from blast but from fallout, full scale water contamination live stock everything. Now I dont think that is our biggest concern anymore but it needs to be thought about.
I think goverment collapsing and martial law would be first, even race wars are on the rise. Where do you go?
I've seen some posts where some guys have said move now out to the sticks where you can dig in and survive. But not everybody is in a financial point in life to do that. Where do you go ideas please.
Worried I've got alot of little ones to protect to asure survival for the future, and please dont call me a conspiracy nut.

mos19k · 01-13-2008, 04:02 PM

This is just my opinion, you have kids, I don't know their ages but I'll assume they're pre-teen. Unless staying put would kill you, you shouldn't bug out, make preparations for a long stay where you are at. Now Murphy being the unpleasant fellow that he is, you may have to vacate. Ask yourself these questions.
Where will I go?
How will I get there?(drive or hike)
How long will it take me?(2days, 2weeks, 2months)
How much gear and supplies can you carry?
Plus a million other questions that will probably show that trying to bug out may be a bad move. Now that being said, if you plan now, find a place you can go to that is with in reasonable distance, bugging out then can be achievable.
If you can't financially afford to purchase a place, how about getting together with another family or two and buying a "vacation" spot. Wherever you decide to bug out to, go there now and get to know the people, you don't want to be just another refugee trying to get into their town.
Again, if at all possible try to make the place you're at now as prepared as you can.

All the best.

Big Dog · 01-13-2008, 07:21 PM

Yep, anyone who bugs out with no clear destination is simply a well-equipped Refugee.
I consider a BO only as a temporary option, IF a Katrina-level hurricane or tsunami is on the way. Go far enough inland for safety, wait til safe, then return.
Anything else, I shelter-in-place.

So it depends on the type of "S" and from wence it is blown and by what fan!

357maxm · 01-14-2008, 09:31 PM

It would be best if you start hiking/camping in your local national parks. Learn the areas, map them out. Also carry some large pvc pipes (8" by 4'-6' long, capped on one end, and a screw-on top at the other end), bury them in a number of points that you can find without a GPS (use markers that can't be moved or destoryed easily... large rock formations, etc.). Later come back & put stuff in them that you will need. (Remember the key is things you would NEED.)(change out food stuff every 6 months or so). Tie the stuff together so it will come out easily.

Bugg out Kit: Water purifer & canteen, .22lr stainless revolver and different ammo for it, dehydrated food stuff, rain gear, fishing gear, snares, fire maker, quality pack, etc.

stikbutter · 01-14-2008, 11:47 PM

Mos19k and Big Dog your right if you dont have anywhere to go your up the creek without a paddle. And to just land somewhere will probably bring more trouble than help, people will be worried about the same thing we are. Are they going to to take our stuff at the extreme kill and take are home, people do strange things in such times as those. And your right it depends on where the "S" is comeing from. But I do agree that we do need to be prepared and dig in if need be.
357maxm those are some good ideas, didnt even think of that stashing a pipe with supplys and then going to them if the need arrises. I'm going to go this weekend a get a map of the national parks in the area. Their are quite a few and check them out thanks a bunch.
Its really funny shortly after I made this thread my sister called me and wanted to know if I was interested in 40 acres she has in ARK. Shes hurting for money and theirs only 16000.00 owed on the property. Its about 6 hours from me I told her I would make a weekend of it with the kids and wife and go look at the land and see. If nothing else its a good investment she use to shoot deer off the back porch when they were in her garden so its a thought.
Anyways thanks for the input. Ed

Big Tool · 01-15-2008, 11:23 AM

My dad buys and sell real estate, and he just bought the mother of all get away properties. Its outside of Natchez MS. It's about 7,000Acres all in one continious block of land. The Land is very hilly making it very easy to block off entrances. Right smack in the middle of the property there is Lake "about 10Acres Lots of fish" On the lake there is a raised camp with a big kitchen "all propane" and a 4Bedroom bunk house. There are also two other bunk houses that can sleep probably 20 people the way they are set up now.

Down by the Lake there is a a huge poured concrete skinning shed that has four hand winches so you can skin 4 deer at once. There is also a huge walk in freezer.

All that would need to be done is take one of the larger food plots and convert it to crops and you would be completely self sustained.

Few pictues of the property, and a few deer my fiance shot on her first deer hunt. It was a long story but the small 10pt wasn't supposed to be shot but things happen.

SpecOpOperator · 01-15-2008, 05:50 PM

My dad and I have pondered this point to no end.. as I agree, it is all dependant on what situation arises, but we have mapped out an old mining compound that has been deserted for numerous years.. The roads are all overgrown and you have to really hike and know where the shaft openings are to find them.. We've made some certain re-enforcements and stockpiled quite a bit there.. We picked a mine shaft for several reasons.. 1: it's easily defendable with 3 different entry/exit points 2: it will hold our entire family 3: there is a nearby creek 4: great hunting locale 5: nobody else around for miles.. Short of a fall out bunker, we think we've made a pretty good choice and visit there atleast 5-6 times a year to replace and replenish what is needed

mym1a · 01-15-2008, 05:57 PM

old mine shafts are dangerous and unpredictable but better then nothing

SpecOpOperator · 01-15-2008, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mym1a

old mine shafts are dangerous and unpredictable but better then nothing

we have re-enforced most of the shaft already and we actually plan to head up there in a couple of weeks to do some more.. nothing better than hauling a bunch of 2x4's up the side of a mountain..

mym1a · 01-15-2008, 06:12 PM

depending on the cituation?? probably best bet is to stay close to home stock up on dry goods a generator and grow a garden.knowing how to can food and dry/smoke for perserving is very important. I've heard a lot of people talk about heading for the hills,which is good if you own or have access to several acres.If you don't you will have to deal with locals and fellow squaters.I'm sure there will be other like minded individuals seeking the same.Nows the time to sharpen up on our skills.

two-70 · 01-15-2008, 06:29 PM

I think i am just going to rely on Jesus christ to get me through, and see me through

22-rimfire · 01-21-2008, 09:51 PM

I'd stay at home unless forced out. I would try to return as soon as possible after whatever event happened and survive there as best I could. I don't want to be a "well equipped refugee", but I have to admit I would be pretty well equipped on most essentials.

Do I have backup plan? No. Should I? Yes.

neophyte · 01-22-2008, 07:02 AM

stikbutter: if it were just me. Very easily slip off and hide anywhere. Survival yes; my nature; attack.
With family; everything changes.
Which way does the wind come from
Where is water
Where is food
Where is the now survival medications.

Picking an area out of the ?normal? wind weather patterns, picking an area away from ?normal? drops, picking an area that doesn't allow viewing or being viewed. Picking an area that couldn't be crowded.
Survival mode or just existing.

KGunner · 01-24-2008, 11:19 AM

I'm less than an hour away from the luscious Rocky Mountains of Colorado and their vast safety. I'd take the Bronco and disappear in Roosevelt National Forest or the Poudre Wilderness.

elmer fudd · 01-24-2008, 06:47 PM

Get some horses stay close to water and then you dont have to go to civilization of course if you have a gun and lots of bullets and dont forget a ssinlencer so some hiker or someone dosnt find you just my opinian though

Quote:

Originally Posted by elmer fudd

Get some horses stay close to water and then you dont have to go to civilization of course if you have a gun and lots of bullets and dont forget a sinlencer so some hiker or someone dosnt find you just my opinian though

[quote=elmer fudd;406073]Get some horses stay close to water and then you dont have to go to civilization of course if you have a gun and lots of bullets and dont forget a ssinlencer so some hiker or someone dosnt find you just my opinian though

mym1a · 01-24-2008, 07:20 PM

silencer??? I don't know about a silencer or how that would affect rifle performance,I know many folks who think a machine gun with 30+ round magazines are the cure all for eveything but??? I don't see it that way,first off I doubt in the time of some emergency folks are going to be frolking in the woods,hikers hiking, people laugh at me but, this is a classic example were one shot one kill applies,if you can take down game with one shot it's rather difficult for others to trace you, If i had a place to keep a large animal It wouldn't be a horse,rather a pack mule and pack saddle,mules are easier to care for and are more sure footed,If your in the hills and staying off of trails as much as you can I doubt you can cover any distance with a horse anyway,In rugged terain were it rains, snows ,dust dirt of every day living in the back country,im not sure i would want a scoped rifle if it was the only rifle I could have.I would invest in a good wind up radio tho and try to obtain as much info as I could, along with other essential gear. thats my humble opinion!!!!!!
not always succesful but I try to think like people who would of lived 100 + years ago, before the days of all the fancy bells and whistles we enjoy in our lives today, people lived with very little but generaly had the right tools to get them by.how many folks know how to grow a garden preserve food hunt fish forage for food read a map and compass ?forget gps! many folks have good intentions but would they survive with todays gadgetry?????? maybe im wrong but the more complex something is
the easier for it to brake down! thats my humble opinion!!!

LarryO1970 · 01-24-2008, 08:05 PM

mym1a, back to basics. I agree...

Gadgetry will only do so much, do what is and has been proved. Back to basics is a great idea... for most everything. Look at it this way... in this modern age, when the computers are down, you can't do anything, right? Why not go back to paper and a typewriter? It gets the same job done, right?

Anyone can get a 30 round magazine for their gun and get crazy, but realistically, how will that serve you? The supply lines as we know them will not be there... so conservation is key. One shot, one kill is applicable, not just a sniper saying. Whose to say how long the emergency will last...

Fudd ... a silencer will be moot at that point. Shelter, a good amount of ammo, food and water is a great start. As for communication, maybe the best way is a runner or emergency transmissions, depending on the nature of the emergency and what remains of the emergency notification systems. I agree that a pack mule would be best... easier to care for and it can also be utilized as transportation.

As for a rifle... you use what you have. We can all easily say what we would LIKE... but when the SHTF, you use what you have on hand. In a perfect world, it would probably be helpful to have something with iron sights in case your optic does not survive... it is always good to have redundancy... with your rifle and everything else.

Kgunner... disappearing into a forest is a great idea, we all saw that in "Red Dawn". There is merit there... realistically, who is going to come looking for you in a forest? Set up shelter, shop , food, water and wait it out.

mym1a · 01-24-2008, 08:27 PM

Larryo1970 I have read some of your threads let me ask you something? is that gps all that good for civilian use? the government can shut those satelites down any time they want to?military is always going to be first priority!

Punisher · 01-30-2008, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Tool

My dad buys and sell real estate, and he just bought the mother of all get away properties. Its outside of Natchez MS. It's about 7,000Acres all in one continious block of land. The Land is very hilly making it very easy to block off entrances. Right smack in the middle of the property there is Lake "about 10Acres Lots of fish" On the lake there is a raised camp with a big kitchen "all propane" and a 4Bedroom bunk house. There are also two other bunk houses that can sleep probably 20 people the way they are set up now.

Down by the Lake there is a a huge poured concrete skinning shed that has four hand winches so you can skin 4 deer at once. There is also a huge walk in freezer.

All that would need to be done is take one of the larger food plots and convert it to crops and you would be completely self sustained.

Few pictues of the property, and a few deer my fiance shot on her first deer hunt. It was a long story but the small 10pt wasn't supposed to be shot but things happen.

Nice hideout. Nice piece of land.

LarryO1970 · 01-30-2008, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mym1a

Larryo1970 I have read some of your threads let me ask you something? is that gps all that good for civilian use? the government can shut those satelites down any time they want to?military is always going to be first priority!

mym1a, honestly, GPS is excellent and a great navigational aid. They are excellent for any outdoor activity such as ice fishing, hiking, camping, etc. and have been known to help save peoples' backsides.

Knowing basic land navigation (in case GPS is shut down for whatever reason) is probably a very prudent idea. There are plenty of Army Handbooks that are great teaching aids for LandNav.

I'm a back-up kinda guy... need to have options.

If the Govt. shuts down their satellites, I would think they are equally screwed... but I'm not in that business to know sharing or redundancy options on satellites or if the Govt. even controls all of them, which I seriously doubt. As it is, I do not believe that military and civilians even use the same satellites or same system. As you are probably well aware, the military GPS is much more accurate.

01-13-2008, 01:00 PM	#1
stikbutter Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Keystone Hieghts FL Posts: 365	Where to go when the shtf Here is a viable quetion? Where to go, bugging out to a different state not knowing anybody is a bad idea in my mind. This also depends on what kind of shtf. Nuclear, jet stream pushes to the east dropping radiation. Most nuclear silos are west of us, thus this a concern. Where do you hide not just from blast but from fallout, full scale water contamination live stock everything. Now I dont think that is our biggest concern anymore but it needs to be thought about. I think goverment collapsing and martial law would be first, even race wars are on the rise. Where do you go? I've seen some posts where some guys have said move now out to the sticks where you can dig in and survive. But not everybody is in a financial point in life to do that. Where do you go ideas please. Worried I've got alot of little ones to protect to asure survival for the future, and please dont call me a conspiracy nut.

01-13-2008, 07:21 PM	#3
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,645	Yep, anyone who bugs out with no clear destination is simply a well-equipped Refugee. I consider a BO only as a temporary option, IF a Katrina-level hurricane or tsunami is on the way. Go far enough inland for safety, wait til safe, then return. Anything else, I shelter-in-place. So it depends on the type of "S" and from wence it is blown and by what fan! __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

01-14-2008, 09:31 PM	#4
357maxm Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 37	go camping/hiking deep into a national park It would be best if you start hiking/camping in your local national parks. Learn the areas, map them out. Also carry some large pvc pipes (8" by 4'-6' long, capped on one end, and a screw-on top at the other end), bury them in a number of points that you can find without a GPS (use markers that can't be moved or destoryed easily... large rock formations, etc.). Later come back & put stuff in them that you will need. (Remember the key is things you would NEED.)(change out food stuff every 6 months or so). Tie the stuff together so it will come out easily. Bugg out Kit: Water purifer & canteen, .22lr stainless revolver and different ammo for it, dehydrated food stuff, rain gear, fishing gear, snares, fire maker, quality pack, etc. Last edited by 357maxm; 01-14-2008 at 09:35 PM.

01-15-2008, 06:29 PM	#11
two-70 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: ponca city, oklahoma Posts: 1,783	I think i am just going to rely on Jesus christ to get me through, and see me through __________________ What Would Jesus Do ????? Just Ask Him.

01-22-2008, 07:02 AM	#13
neophyte Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 4,811 Blog Entries: 2	survive stikbutter: if it were just me. Very easily slip off and hide anywhere. Survival yes; my nature; attack. With family; everything changes. Which way does the wind come from Where is water Where is food Where is the now survival medications. Picking an area out of the ?normal? wind weather patterns, picking an area away from ?normal? drops, picking an area that doesn't allow viewing or being viewed. Picking an area that couldn't be crowded. Survival mode or just existing. __________________ Craig May the Lord's face radiate with joy because of you. Numbers 6:24

01-13-2008, 04:02 PM	#2
mos19k Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Miami, Fl. Posts: 331	This is just my opinion, you have kids, I don't know their ages but I'll assume they're pre-teen. Unless staying put would kill you, you shouldn't bug out, make preparations for a long stay where you are at. Now Murphy being the unpleasant fellow that he is, you may have to vacate. Ask yourself these questions. Where will I go? How will I get there?(drive or hike) How long will it take me?(2days, 2weeks, 2months) How much gear and supplies can you carry? Plus a million other questions that will probably show that trying to bug out may be a bad move. Now that being said, if you plan now, find a place you can go to that is with in reasonable distance, bugging out then can be achievable. If you can't financially afford to purchase a place, how about getting together with another family or two and buying a "vacation" spot. Wherever you decide to bug out to, go there now and get to know the people, you don't want to be just another refugee trying to get into their town. Again, if at all possible try to make the place you're at now as prepared as you can. All the best.

01-14-2008, 11:47 PM	#5
stikbutter Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Keystone Hieghts FL Posts: 365	Mos19k and Big Dog your right if you dont have anywhere to go your up the creek without a paddle. And to just land somewhere will probably bring more trouble than help, people will be worried about the same thing we are. Are they going to to take our stuff at the extreme kill and take are home, people do strange things in such times as those. And your right it depends on where the "S" is comeing from. But I do agree that we do need to be prepared and dig in if need be. 357maxm those are some good ideas, didnt even think of that stashing a pipe with supplys and then going to them if the need arrises. I'm going to go this weekend a get a map of the national parks in the area. Their are quite a few and check them out thanks a bunch. Its really funny shortly after I made this thread my sister called me and wanted to know if I was interested in 40 acres she has in ARK. Shes hurting for money and theirs only 16000.00 owed on the property. Its about 6 hours from me I told her I would make a weekend of it with the kids and wife and go look at the land and see. If nothing else its a good investment she use to shoot deer off the back porch when they were in her garden so its a thought. Anyways thanks for the input. Ed

01-15-2008, 11:23 AM	#6
Big Tool Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: MS Posts: 650	My dad buys and sell real estate, and he just bought the mother of all get away properties. Its outside of Natchez MS. It's about 7,000Acres all in one continious block of land. The Land is very hilly making it very easy to block off entrances. Right smack in the middle of the property there is Lake "about 10Acres Lots of fish" On the lake there is a raised camp with a big kitchen "all propane" and a 4Bedroom bunk house. There are also two other bunk houses that can sleep probably 20 people the way they are set up now. Down by the Lake there is a a huge poured concrete skinning shed that has four hand winches so you can skin 4 deer at once. There is also a huge walk in freezer. All that would need to be done is take one of the larger food plots and convert it to crops and you would be completely self sustained. Few pictues of the property, and a few deer my fiance shot on her first deer hunt. It was a long story but the small 10pt wasn't supposed to be shot but things happen.

01-15-2008, 05:50 PM	#7
SpecOpOperator Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Washington Posts: 57	My dad and I have pondered this point to no end.. as I agree, it is all dependant on what situation arises, but we have mapped out an old mining compound that has been deserted for numerous years.. The roads are all overgrown and you have to really hike and know where the shaft openings are to find them.. We've made some certain re-enforcements and stockpiled quite a bit there.. We picked a mine shaft for several reasons.. 1: it's easily defendable with 3 different entry/exit points 2: it will hold our entire family 3: there is a nearby creek 4: great hunting locale 5: nobody else around for miles.. Short of a fall out bunker, we think we've made a pretty good choice and visit there atleast 5-6 times a year to replace and replenish what is needed

01-15-2008, 05:57 PM	#8
mym1a Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,313	old mine shafts are dangerous and unpredictable but better then nothing

01-15-2008, 06:12 PM	#10
mym1a Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,313	depending on the cituation?? probably best bet is to stay close to home stock up on dry goods a generator and grow a garden.knowing how to can food and dry/smoke for perserving is very important. I've heard a lot of people talk about heading for the hills,which is good if you own or have access to several acres.If you don't you will have to deal with locals and fellow squaters.I'm sure there will be other like minded individuals seeking the same.Nows the time to sharpen up on our skills.

01-21-2008, 09:51 PM	#12
22-rimfire Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The Volunteer State Posts: 175	I'd stay at home unless forced out. I would try to return as soon as possible after whatever event happened and survive there as best I could. I don't want to be a "well equipped refugee", but I have to admit I would be pretty well equipped on most essentials. Do I have backup plan? No. Should I? Yes.

01-24-2008, 11:19 AM	#14
KGunner Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 552 Blog Entries: 5	I'm less than an hour away from the luscious Rocky Mountains of Colorado and their vast safety. I'd take the Bronco and disappear in Roosevelt National Forest or the Poudre Wilderness.

01-24-2008, 07:20 PM	#16
mym1a Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,313	silencer??? I don't know about a silencer or how that would affect rifle performance,I know many folks who think a machine gun with 30+ round magazines are the cure all for eveything but??? I don't see it that way,first off I doubt in the time of some emergency folks are going to be frolking in the woods,hikers hiking, people laugh at me but, this is a classic example were one shot one kill applies,if you can take down game with one shot it's rather difficult for others to trace you, If i had a place to keep a large animal It wouldn't be a horse,rather a pack mule and pack saddle,mules are easier to care for and are more sure footed,If your in the hills and staying off of trails as much as you can I doubt you can cover any distance with a horse anyway,In rugged terain were it rains, snows ,dust dirt of every day living in the back country,im not sure i would want a scoped rifle if it was the only rifle I could have.I would invest in a good wind up radio tho and try to obtain as much info as I could, along with other essential gear. thats my humble opinion!!!!!! not always succesful but I try to think like people who would of lived 100 + years ago, before the days of all the fancy bells and whistles we enjoy in our lives today, people lived with very little but generaly had the right tools to get them by.how many folks know how to grow a garden preserve food hunt fish forage for food read a map and compass ?forget gps! many folks have good intentions but would they survive with todays gadgetry?????? maybe im wrong but the more complex something is the easier for it to brake down! thats my humble opinion!!! Last edited by mym1a; 01-24-2008 at 07:43 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

01-24-2008, 08:05 PM	#17
LarryO1970 Give the GOV a Harumph ! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Johnson Creek, WI Posts: 4,358	mym1a, back to basics. I agree... Gadgetry will only do so much, do what is and has been proved. Back to basics is a great idea... for most everything. Look at it this way... in this modern age, when the computers are down, you can't do anything, right? Why not go back to paper and a typewriter? It gets the same job done, right? Anyone can get a 30 round magazine for their gun and get crazy, but realistically, how will that serve you? The supply lines as we know them will not be there... so conservation is key. One shot, one kill is applicable, not just a sniper saying. Whose to say how long the emergency will last... Fudd ... a silencer will be moot at that point. Shelter, a good amount of ammo, food and water is a great start. As for communication, maybe the best way is a runner or emergency transmissions, depending on the nature of the emergency and what remains of the emergency notification systems. I agree that a pack mule would be best... easier to care for and it can also be utilized as transportation. As for a rifle... you use what you have. We can all easily say what we would LIKE... but when the SHTF, you use what you have on hand. In a perfect world, it would probably be helpful to have something with iron sights in case your optic does not survive... it is always good to have redundancy... with your rifle and everything else. Kgunner... disappearing into a forest is a great idea, we all saw that in "Red Dawn". There is merit there... realistically, who is going to come looking for you in a forest? Set up shelter, shop , food, water and wait it out.

01-24-2008, 08:27 PM	#18
mym1a Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,313	Larryo1970 I have read some of your threads let me ask you something? is that gps all that good for civilian use? the government can shut those satelites down any time they want to?military is always going to be first priority!