Winchester M1 ???

Srssr · 01-19-2008, 09:04 PM

I bought a M1 when I was 10 years old for 35.00. It says on the reciever that it is Winchester. I took it apart to see just what I have, 42 years later. All there is on the barrel is a "p" with no circle. There is a "3" on the flat top bolt. The serial number does not fall into the Winchester production time frame. It is 560xxxx. There is some kind of triangle on the front band, no bayonet clip. The sight says R1A. The stock has SCP in the sling well. Any clues what I have here besides, what I would like to think is a good investment??

M14man · 01-19-2008, 09:49 PM

Winchester did make them in that ser# range. A decent Winchester is worth 25 times what you paid.You need a good book on the M1 Carbine to see just what parts are original, and what parts may have been switched.Craig Riesch's M1 Carbine is a good book to order.

Wingwiper · 01-19-2008, 09:56 PM

I have a Winchester where as the Stock is stamped Winchester and all serial numbers match. It has a flip rear sight. I paid $275 for it back in about 1978 or 79

nathangdad · 01-19-2008, 09:57 PM

You very likely do have a good gun for long term investment, if for nothing else, it has Winchester stamped on it! I would carefully clean and consider professional restoration if needed.
For the price you spend way back when all I can say is congratulations on your gun.

Mooseman684 · 01-19-2008, 10:04 PM

Winchesters were assigned serial numbers 5549922 to 5834618 so it is Real Winchester !
Good Investment you made...Somebody like Jimb2 will tell you about the other stampings...
Rich

Srssr · 01-20-2008, 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Srssr

I bought a M1 when I was 10 years old for 35.00. It says on the reciever that it is Winchester. I took it apart to see just what I have, 42 years later. All there is on the barrel is a "p" with no circle. There is a "3" on the flat top bolt. The serial number does not fall into the Winchester production time frame. It is 560xxxx. There is some kind of triangle on the front band, no bayonet clip. The sight says R1A. The stock has SCP in the sling well. Any clues what I have here besides, what I would like to think is a good investment??

Thanks everyone. All the information I found was online. So it looks like I am going book shopping. I didn't mention that the rear sight was a 100/300 flip. We are off to a military arms only shoot in May. It will be the first time I have shot this gun in about 25 years. Any trapdoor buffs out there? I have 2 of them, one is 95% and is unrestored with a bayonet.

Wingwiper · 01-20-2008, 08:30 AM

I just dug mine out of storage.

it is stamped

Winchester
trademark
1025615
behind the flip rear sight

on the right side of the butt stock it is stamped

WRA
GHH and an Ordanance symbol

top of chamber it is stamped

Carbine
cal .30

behind front sight it is stamped

Ordinance symbol
WRA
12-42

Srssr · 01-20-2008, 09:08 AM

Mine just has numbers under the gas slide on the barrel. It is stamped Winchester and trademark behind the rear sight. 30 cal. u.s. carbine in front of the bolt. Nothing else that I can find. If I can figure out how to attach pics I will post a photo or two.

Wingwiper · 01-20-2008, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Srssr

Mine just has numbers under the gas slide on the barrel. It is stamped Winchester and trademark behind the rear sight. 30 cal. u.s. carbine in front of the bolt. Nothing else that I can find. If I can figure out how to attach pics I will post a photo or two.

Where in Vermont were you a Fish Cop??? and when???? My Winchester was bought at Norm's Gun Shop in WRJ from Danny. and I know a lot of Vermont Fish Cops... not all by choice

Ben Day
Norm Brown
Tom Stearns
Don Gallus
Al Blow
Winston Churchill
Dan Gregory
Lt Kapuska
Don Isabel
Dick Aslop
and more

Srssr · 01-20-2008, 09:58 AM

I worked with Norm Brown. I know a lot of the guys you listed. We used to live near Winston Churchill when I was a kid. Covered the western side of the state. I got my carbine from Durham's gun shop in Poultney.

Shaun · 01-20-2008, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Srssr

Thanks everyone. All the information I found was online. So it looks like I am going book shopping. I didn't mention that the rear sight was a 100/300 flip. We are off to a military arms only shoot in May. It will be the first time I have shot this gun in about 25 years. Any trapdoor buffs out there? I have 2 of them, one is 95% and is unrestored with a bayonet.

Srssr I have a trapdoor here they are great rifles PM me

M14man · 01-20-2008, 12:38 PM

I have 2 trapdsoor carbines. One is in original condition, a Custer era 18,XXX. The other is a 'cutdown' from a long rifle made in 1890.

Srssr · 01-20-2008, 01:28 PM

Mine are put up for now as we are trying to sell our house. But same here one is a beauty and the other was a cutoff. I have put regular rifle sights on the cutoff and crowned the barrel as it was a hack saw job. But both rifles shoot nice.

jimb2 · 01-21-2008, 07:13 PM

Wingwiper! You have a very nice early spring tube Winchester! Dated barrels are scarce too. You've got a grear collectable there. WRA/GHD on the stock, not GHH....
Srssr, isn't that an SC-B in the sling bevel? The stock was made by Sprague and Carlton for IBM. And I suspect the marking on the front band is a PI in a pennant. Look close and see if I'm right. There should ba an intertwined WP in an oval on the barrel. It is probably under the barrel band. That is the Winchester proof mark. It will be there unless you have a replacement barrel. Although I think M14man has overestimated its value, I do have to agree that you investment is worth a lot more than you paid...perhaps 15-18 times what you originally pain (~$600-$650) It is an arsenal rebuild, but still is a collectable carbine.

Wingwiper · 01-22-2008, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimb2

Wingwiper! You have a very nice early spring tube Winchester! Dated barrels are scarce too. You've got a grear collectable there. WRA/GHD on the stock, not GHH....
Srssr, isn't that an SC-B in the sling bevel? The stock was made by Sprague and Carlton for IBM. And I suspect the marking on the front band is a PI in a pennant. Look close and see if I'm right. There should ba an intertwined WP in an oval on the barrel. It is probably under the barrel band. That is the Winchester proof mark. It will be there unless you have a replacement barrel. Although I think M14man has overestimated its value, I do have to agree that you investment is worth a lot more than you paid...perhaps 15-18 times what you originally pain (~$600-$650) It is an arsenal rebuild, but still is a collectable carbine.

Thanks, It probably is GHD, the stamp wasn't complete on the last letter so I couldn't be certain.
Nice to know it a good one, that rarely happens with me, I usally have the garbage.

tristan · 01-24-2008, 01:31 AM

WW, do you have picture capability? I'd love to see your Winchester carbine, sounds like a nice early rifle.

Wingwiper · 01-24-2008, 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tristan

WW, do you have picture capability? I'd love to see your Winchester carbine, sounds like a nice early rifle.

I can take pictures, but do not have a website to host it. Tell me how and I will comply and post a pic.

jimb2 · 01-24-2008, 09:15 PM

Hey Tristan....did the white bag sell?

Srssr · 01-25-2008, 04:01 PM

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tristan · 01-25-2008, 07:31 PM

Hi Jim, It was great to have a chance to meet you and chat FTF at OGCA. You've certainly helped me and many others on the various carbine forums with your sage advice and I very much appreciate it. No, the White Bag didn't sell and neither did anything else on our table with a price tag over $300. All of my sidekick's junk guns flew OTD on Saturday but anything worth something went home with us. I guess everyone's Christmas bills must have come home to roost.

WW, please email me your pictures if you can't find a way to make 'em work and I'll try to post them for you.

01-19-2008, 09:04 PM	#1
Srssr Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Upstate New York, not by choice either. Posts: 7	Winchester M1 ??? I bought a M1 when I was 10 years old for 35.00. It says on the reciever that it is Winchester. I took it apart to see just what I have, 42 years later. All there is on the barrel is a "p" with no circle. There is a "3" on the flat top bolt. The serial number does not fall into the Winchester production time frame. It is 560xxxx. There is some kind of triangle on the front band, no bayonet clip. The sight says R1A. The stock has SCP in the sling well. Any clues what I have here besides, what I would like to think is a good investment??

01-19-2008, 09:56 PM	#3
Wingwiper Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 789	I have a Winchester where as the Stock is stamped Winchester and all serial numbers match. It has a flip rear sight. I paid $275 for it back in about 1978 or 79 Last edited by Wingwiper; 01-20-2008 at 08:31 AM.

01-19-2008, 09:57 PM	#4
nathangdad Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,501	Yes You very likely do have a good gun for long term investment, if for nothing else, it has Winchester stamped on it! I would carefully clean and consider professional restoration if needed. For the price you spend way back when all I can say is congratulations on your gun.

01-19-2008, 10:04 PM	#5
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,702 Images: 2	Winchesters were assigned serial numbers 5549922 to 5834618 so it is Real Winchester ! Good Investment you made...Somebody like Jimb2 will tell you about the other stampings... Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

01-20-2008, 01:28 PM	#13
Srssr Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Upstate New York, not by choice either. Posts: 7	Mine are put up for now as we are trying to sell our house. But same here one is a beauty and the other was a cutoff. I have put regular rifle sights on the cutoff and crowned the barrel as it was a hack saw job. But both rifles shoot nice. Last edited by Srssr; 01-20-2008 at 01:29 PM. Reason: adding more info

01-19-2008, 09:49 PM	#2
M14man Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: FLA Posts: 437 Images: 10	Winchester did make them in that ser# range. A decent Winchester is worth 25 times what you paid.You need a good book on the M1 Carbine to see just what parts are original, and what parts may have been switched.Craig Riesch's M1 Carbine is a good book to order.

01-20-2008, 08:30 AM	#7
Wingwiper Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 789	I just dug mine out of storage. it is stamped Winchester trademark 1025615 behind the flip rear sight on the right side of the butt stock it is stamped WRA GHH and an Ordanance symbol top of chamber it is stamped Carbine cal .30 behind front sight it is stamped Ordinance symbol WRA 12-42

01-20-2008, 09:08 AM	#8
Srssr Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Upstate New York, not by choice either. Posts: 7	Mine just has numbers under the gas slide on the barrel. It is stamped Winchester and trademark behind the rear sight. 30 cal. u.s. carbine in front of the bolt. Nothing else that I can find. If I can figure out how to attach pics I will post a photo or two.

01-20-2008, 09:58 AM	#10
Srssr Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Upstate New York, not by choice either. Posts: 7	I worked with Norm Brown. I know a lot of the guys you listed. We used to live near Winston Churchill when I was a kid. Covered the western side of the state. I got my carbine from Durham's gun shop in Poultney.

01-20-2008, 12:38 PM	#12
M14man Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: FLA Posts: 437 Images: 10	I have 2 trapdsoor carbines. One is in original condition, a Custer era 18,XXX. The other is a 'cutdown' from a long rifle made in 1890.

01-21-2008, 07:13 PM	#14
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 513	Wingwiper! You have a very nice early spring tube Winchester! Dated barrels are scarce too. You've got a grear collectable there. WRA/GHD on the stock, not GHH.... Srssr, isn't that an SC-B in the sling bevel? The stock was made by Sprague and Carlton for IBM. And I suspect the marking on the front band is a PI in a pennant. Look close and see if I'm right. There should ba an intertwined WP in an oval on the barrel. It is probably under the barrel band. That is the Winchester proof mark. It will be there unless you have a replacement barrel. Although I think M14man has overestimated its value, I do have to agree that you investment is worth a lot more than you paid...perhaps 15-18 times what you originally pain (~$600-$650) It is an arsenal rebuild, but still is a collectable carbine. __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...

01-24-2008, 01:31 AM	#16
tristan Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 10	WW, do you have picture capability? I'd love to see your Winchester carbine, sounds like a nice early rifle.

01-24-2008, 09:15 PM	#18
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 513	Hey Tristan....did the white bag sell? __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...

01-25-2008, 04:01 PM	#19
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01-25-2008, 07:31 PM	#20
tristan Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 10	Hi Jim, It was great to have a chance to meet you and chat FTF at OGCA. You've certainly helped me and many others on the various carbine forums with your sage advice and I very much appreciate it. No, the White Bag didn't sell and neither did anything else on our table with a price tag over $300. All of my sidekick's junk guns flew OTD on Saturday but anything worth something went home with us. I guess everyone's Christmas bills must have come home to roost. WW, please email me your pictures if you can't find a way to make 'em work and I'll try to post them for you.