what happens if i get denied for a gun?

[neophyte]

Crud; I was making between .7-.11cent per hour. Something was wrong with me.
Never done anything 'bad' just wasn't one to follow along with some of the "thinking"

The song went like this

"Hey Mister Custer I don't want to go"

and 'he' said "forward ho"

crammed me into the bus;
and off we go and me trying to convince them "I" wasn't no 'ho'

[Loveguns]

exactly what i thought would happen, happened. the reason i thought it would is because i didn't know too much about guns when i first entered the place and i wasn't too comfortable i guess. anyway i go back after the 7 day waiting period and the guy says i was asking dumb questions the first time i was in there, so he didn't feel comfortable selling me a gun. what a b/s reason to deny me! all i've been doing is studying up on guns during the waiting period. he told me to buy some gun magazines and read up on guns before i buy one. what a waste of my time and effort. I had to go back to that place 3 times and it's like 20-30 miles away. man i'm mad

[PistolCity]

That would bother me as well. All he had to do was be straight up front. Heck he might have made you feel more comfortable. One of the places I go buy stuff from, the owner talks your ear off. You dont go in there with at least a hour to spare even if all you want is a 1 box of ammo. He will be selling one guy a gun and if he shows him how to field strip it the entire store knowns by the time he's done. Ive struck up friendships with him Ive even watched the store on a few occansions while he or he his wife had to step out in a hurry. And another place I get guns from, from time to time will play show and tell where I may handle anywhere from 5-50 guns at a given time.

I also use to work in a liqour store and when someone came in drunk I told them no sale as soon as they walked in the store. Regardless what they was wanting. This guy should have talked to you as soon as you started asking questions. I dont know you, and I dont know your background or state your from. But in my opinon letting a guy wait for 7 days to tell them "he didnt feel comforable selling him a gun" is bogus. And not the proper way to run a buisness.

[Midas]

If you have obeyed the law, and have a clean record, you have nothing to fear. Like other members have stated, you should only be concerned if you are a convicted felon.

[mym1a]

maybe its as simple as some one with the same name and dob as yours ?? if you haven't been convicted of any crimes or was placed in a institution for mental problems I don't see were they can deny you ??

[PistolCity]

One thing you could do is apply for a permit.

[neophyte]

Loveguns: Sir: my heart goes out to you.

I am surprised in this day and age. The salesclerk wouldn't sell to you.

All about the money theory is out the door.

Do I dare say 'ethics'

Sir; as frustrated, aggravated, embarrassed by the turn of event.
Do appreciate that there are still
"concerned honorable" shop owners.

now to fix your situation.

Don't give up. Educate yourself. Find a model; learn all you can through mags. on line and here.

Now that we know; maybe we can answer your questions or at least get you to discuss with folks who care.
Knowledge begets confidence.

[Loveguns]

Originally Posted by PistolCity

That would bother me as well. All he had to do was be straight up front. Heck he might have made you feel more comfortable. One of the places I go buy stuff from, the owner talks your ear off. You dont go in there with at least a hour to spare even if all you want is a 1 box of ammo. He will be selling one guy a gun and if he shows him how to field strip it the entire store knowns by the time he's done. Ive struck up friendships with him Ive even watched the store on a few occansions while he or he his wife had to step out in a hurry. And another place I get guns from, from time to time will play show and tell where I may handle anywhere from 5-50 guns at a given time.

I also use to work in a liqour store and when someone came in drunk I told them no sale as soon as they walked in the store. Regardless what they was wanting. This guy should have talked to you as soon as you started asking questions. I dont know you, and I dont know your background or state your from. But in my opinon letting a guy wait for 7 days to tell them "he didnt feel comforable selling him a gun" is bogus. And not the proper way to run a buisness.

definitely. that's what got me so mad. turning me down for lack of knowledge on day one is one thing, but turning me down after i put the deposit on it and waiting 7 days is something else. he wasn't even friendly. operating a shotgun isn't rocket science. it's not something that is too hard to be learned.

Originally Posted by neophyte

Loveguns: Sir: my heart goes out to you.

I am surprised in this day and age. The salesclerk wouldn't sell to you.

All about the money theory is out the door.

Do I dare say 'ethics'

Sir; as frustrated, aggravated, embarrassed by the turn of event.
Do appreciate that there are still
"concerned honorable" shop owners.

now to fix your situation.

Don't give up. Educate yourself. Find a model; learn all you can through mags. on line and here.

Now that we know; maybe we can answer your questions or at least get you to discuss with folks who care.
Knowledge begets confidence.

thanks neophyte. it's good to know there are more involved gun sellers who don't just turn you down for no reason and ple willing to share their knowledge here. i think what i'm going to do is order a gun online that way i won't have to ever deal with such a thing ever occurring again. do you know if gun shops charge you fees for having guns sent to them from online?

Originally Posted by PistolCity

One thing you could do is apply for a permit.

a permit for what? long guns? no permits needed for those.

[Mooseman684]

Being knowledgeable Helps, But my best advice...
KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT.... Don't ask Questions,ESPECIALLY if you don't know which questions to ask !!!
Know what you want before you go in to buy...
Ask to see a gun, Look it over, Say I'll take it...
pull out your ID and some down ,or full purchase money, and start the Paperwork...
Rich

[bigbuddy21]

[quote=Loveguns;410465] i think what i'm going to do is order a gun online that way i won't have to ever deal with such a thing ever occurring again. do you know if gun shops charge you fees for having guns sent to them from online?

YES THEY DO. I JUST SENT A SHOTGUN TO MY BRO. FROM ONE GUNSHOP TO ANOTHER,AND IT COST ABOUT $50

[PistolCity]

permit might not be needed for a long gun but by having one it will make him not as likely to question your ethics.

[SilverRun]

Originally Posted by Loveguns

exactly what i thought would happen, happened. the reason i thought it would is because i didn't know too much about guns when i first entered the place and i wasn't too comfortable i guess. anyway i go back after the 7 day waiting period and the guy says i was asking dumb questions the first time i was in there, so he didn't feel comfortable selling me a gun. what a b/s reason to deny me! all i've been doing is studying up on guns during the waiting period. he told me to buy some gun magazines and read up on guns before i buy one. what a waste of my time and effort. I had to go back to that place 3 times and it's like 20-30 miles away. man i'm mad

I have never heard of this before? Is this dealer just an idiot or is there more to the story? Did he run the background check on you? Pass?

What kind of questions did you ask the first time you went in there? He should be used to typical novice questions.

Not trying to pin you down here - just trying to understand what is going on. I can't imagine why the guy would turn down a sell for no good reason. I am confused. Maybe we can figure out what went wrong and how to keep it from happening again.

[Loveguns]

[quote=bigbuddy21;410479]

Originally Posted by Loveguns

i think what i'm going to do is order a gun online that way i won't have to ever deal with such a thing ever occurring again. do you know if gun shops charge you fees for having guns sent to them from online?
YES THEY DO. I JUST SENT A SHOTGUN TO MY BRO. FROM ONE GUNSHOP TO ANOTHER,AND IT COST ABOUT $50

$50?? that's criminal. what are they doing really? just having it shipped to them and holding it for you? don;t see how thats worth nearly $50, is that a flat rate for every shop?

Originally Posted by SilverRun

I have never heard of this before? Is this dealer just an idiot or is there more to the story? Did he run the background check on you? Pass?
What kind of questions did you ask the first time you went in there? He should be used to typical novice questions.
Not trying to pin you down here - just trying to understand what is going on. I can't imagine why the guy would turn down a sell for no good reason. I am confused. Maybe we can figure out what went wrong and how to keep it from happening again.

they ran the background check during that 7 day waiting period, and i have a clean record so it has nothing to do with my history i don't think. i personally think the guy was prejudice. i think he didn't like the looks of me. i have long hair, he must have thought i was a hippie or something, who knows? i think i should call the place and ask the owner what his real problem with me is-that way i wouldn't have to wait another 7 days that way or pay a fee for online gun. think i should?

i must admit though i asked a pretty stupid question. i;m not sure what they're called but those caps that you use to make your own slugs i thought were for target practice. that's no reason to deny me a gun though. its not like i'm going to make my own ammunition

[Lng Rng]

Loveguns, do you have anybody that can take you out and shoot with you? I think that if you had basic gun handeling skills, you would feel a lot more confident going into a gun shop and getting what you want.

Another plus would be you would learn quicker once you have a gun of your own, and maybe even find a freind to shoot with.

[ghost_raven]

I can understand being "clean" and still being nervous. I was feeling much the same with buying my two guns. I've had depression issues, and received a medical discharge (honorable) from the military from it. Not something I'm proud of, but... anyway, clean criminal record, and I'm not a violent sort. Turns out I was fine, and the one I got my first gun from welcomed my questions.

[SilverRun]

Yea, I would call the owner of the place and ask nicely what the problem is. If you have a clean record and were not asking real stupid questions (like: how to make a bomb or something), I would want to know what the problem was. Of course the guy has the right to not sell you the gun, but you have the right to know why and not patronize his store anymore.

I think you should locate a gun training facility and get some training though. Shotguns are not the magic wand of death that they are made out to be in the movies. You still have to know how to shoot the gun for it to be effective.

Good Luck!

[Seabeescotty]

Everyone is right, the shop owner can refuse to sell to you. Find a friend and get some experience. Then go to a different store, keep the sweat to a minimum, and buy your shotgun. Store owners are aware that they can now be held liable for selling to the wrong person, and tend to be more cautious about who they sell to. You really can't blame them and, if you need to blame someone, blame the anti-gun crowd. They, after all, are the folks who caused so much grief with us.

[PistolCity]

Heck buddy go to a BPS, Cabelas, Gander Mountain or any big chain that still sells guns. They wont care what you look like. If your apperance is what it was I wouldnt go back. When I first started buying guns I probably resembled a white supremist which is the furtherst from the truth. But Im 6' 220lbs, slick bald, about a 6-8" go tee, and over 20 tattoos. No one turned a shoulder to me. I did finally trim the tee and grow some hair, I use the smallest guard I got nowdays. Only thing the tat's have hurt me with is my 2 attempts to join the military since 9/11. Its just the gargoyle on the back of my skull. Army told me that makes me a idividual and the Guard told me they could try to sneak me through basic but if they buzz me all the way down and it shows Id be shipped back home. Not worth the risk imo, might be a dishonorable discharge and I dont need that. And for that matter I have a PI charge, and a assulat charge that was dropped. Im still buying guns at least for now.

[jonthepain]

The last gun I bought was a Rem 1100. I told the guy straight up, hey, I've never owned an auto-loader before, tell me about auto loaders, my hunting buddy told me I should get one instead of using my 870s. Well the kid was kinda weird. I pulled the bolt back to check if it was loaded (force of habit) and asked him how to get it to close back up. He looks at me sideways and says "push that button on the bottom." Ok, what's up with that? Hey I told him I never handled that gun before. I know where everything is on a bunch of diff guns, but not that one.

Well anyway, I ended up buying the gun. Took it out in the field the next day and it didn't cycle. This is a used gun. So I called the store, and the manager says, bring it in. So I bring it in. The manager says, "here's the card of a good gunsmith. Take a hike." Nice.

I replaced the O-ring for 4 bucks from Midway, and now it works great. But will I ever go back to Davi's Guns in Raleigh? Hell no. I'll stick with the two or three mom & pop places I usually go to.

I guess I'm saying all that, to say this: If you are up front with the guy at the store, usually he'll be patient with you, especially if it's a small place. But not always. So find a place where they actually want your business, and stick with them. They will build a relationship with you.

[ghost_raven]

Yeah... I've got my two favorite places here: precision arms and ron peterson's. They're pretty friendly. Hell, the owner at precision helped me put my 1911 back together after my dad did it wrong. Seems my dad, self-proclaimed gun expert, was trying to install the guide rod backwards.

A lot of the other places I go to are rather snide toward me.