Red Dawn

[teenagegunwacho]

Read "Russia" before you read this

Do you think there will ever be a Red Dawn type scenario with this country or any other countries

[270wsm]

I don't think so.But,anything can happen.

[firebird45331]

Never know. You'd like to think no, but it's a matter of a power struggle between the old communist party and them wanting to turn Russia back to their glory years. For them it's a matter of their country's survival and I believe they view the U.S. for their economic hardships. I do believe the U.S. could've done more to be more supportive of Russia's economy. They would've been a whole new and broader market.

[damage855]

I dont trust Russia but now I think we should worry more about China. of course regardless whoever whats to envade us they will have to get past the navy and across one of the really big oceans first. that might be difficult.

[firebird45331]

i read somewhere that Russia was building AK-47 plants In Venezuela. It wouldn't take much for Hugo to use his oil to manipulate the world markets to try to collapse our economy

[Cyrille]

As an aside: I wonder what the world would be like now, if we had given Russia a "favorite nation" status over China and started importing Russian goods?
Would we have had the lead paint on toys; or various other products such as "Russian Crawfish, shrimp, and other food stuffs and I don't know whatall.
And Mr. Troy before you jump up and ask what other goods etc. or whatever; I can't think of all the other things. I'm just posing a question and asking for an answer to a purely rhetorical question. Just wondering "what if" sir.

[firebird45331]

Originally Posted by Cyrille

As an aside: I wonder what the world would be like now, if we had given Russia a "favorite nation" status over China and started importing Russian goods?
Would we have had the lead paint on toys; or various other products such as "Russian Crawfish, shrimp, and other food stuffs and I don't know whatall.
And Mr. Troy before you jump up and ask what other goods etc. or whatever; I can't think of all the other things. I'm just posing a question and asking for an answer to a purely rhetorical question. Just wondering "what if" sir.

Wouldn't that have been great, their economy would've been stronger and they wouldn't have resented us

[neophyte]

teenagegunwacho: Sir; lets hope not.

In some of my other postings; this is a great world; and we are caretakers. Nothing more or nothing less.

Other countries, and the USA have throughout history demolished, damaged, stripped, defaced, scarred and on and on.

China, Iran, N. Korea, some in Africa, South America should be our concern.
What do they need from the USA? What does the USA need from other countries.
Greed is the manipulator.
Individuals who feel the need to control.

Believers know better.

Those that want to control will fail, through death, through greed, and through others powers. History says they will fail.

Can we survive such an attack? Nothing; is for sure.

[nathangdad]

Russia does not need to invade smaller countries as it does not want more land and now has the wealth to just take over the economy of a smaller country.

No need to worry about an American invasion - just Russian and/or Russian back investments in America.

[meatloaf]

Originally Posted by nathangdad

Russia does not need to invade smaller countries as it does not want more land and now has the wealth to just take over the economy of a smaller country.

No need to worry about an American invasion - just Russian and/or Russian back investments in America.

We dont even need to worry about the us selling out to russia. Russia can just buy us from china.

[dogman2]

Red Dawn is how Russia invaded Afghanistan in the first place.
History will repeat itself.

[Big Dog]

A major nation invading us - NO!

BUT - once La Raza is ready, there will be beacoup bloodshed in the American Southwest. Google them up - THEY are a big-time danger, just biding their time. I'm betting Uncle Hugo is aiding them.

[mos19k]

Originally Posted by Big Dog

A major nation invading us - NO!

BUT - once La Raza is ready, there will be beacoup bloodshed in the American Southwest. Google them up - THEY are a big-time danger, just biding their time. I'm betting Uncle Hugo is aiding them.

I honestly believe that "La Raza" and other Aztlan organizations will use the 12/21/2012 date to create havoc here in the USA. Chavez will be more than happy to fund them in any way he can. With the hysteria that is slowly building concerning the Mayan End Of Days, it's a perfect time for them to make the prophecy self fulfilling.

[neophyte]

Isn't it interesting; all historically written; 12-21-12 is the last date written by many of the end of time keepers.
The world becomes the end.
Biblically; Revelations has a most interesting timing. All parts must fit, then by the grace of God life as we know will cease, many historians have tried to predict all have failed.

[teenagegunwacho]

if you read you know it says that NO MAN can predict the end of days

Rember 6-6-06 what they said about it

And sometime back in the 1800s people got ready for a certain predicted day
the day came and nothin happened

so who knows but if you believe what the Bible says and i do
you know that there will be 3 and a half good years and 3 and a half bad years then what we call Judgement day will come.

[jerry]

There are a handfull of us here who have been to judgement day already.

[teenagegunwacho]

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[LarryO1970]

Originally Posted by firebird45331

i read somewhere that Russia was building AK-47 plants In Venezuela. It wouldn't take much for Hugo to use his oil to manipulate the world markets to try to collapse our economy

Defense Focus: Venezuela's Kalashnikovs



UPI Senior News Analyst
WASHINGTON, Aug. 15 (UPI) -- International small-arms contracts usually don’t make the big headlines the way seven-figure, heavy weapons system sales of main battle tanks, warships or combat aircraft do. But they can be of equal or greater importance. The announcement earlier this month by Russia’s Izhevsk Manufacturing Plant in the Urals of its new deal to build two new factories to manufacture arms and ammunition in Venezuela is a case in point.

Not only were no top-dollar, high-profile items like anti-aircraft missiles or fighter-bombers involved, but the guns in question weren’t even new ones. IMP has undertaken to build a plant to manufacture under license the famous Kalashnikov, or AK-47 assault rifle for the Venezuelan government. The announcement was even made at a celebration of the 60th anniversary of the gun’s design.

The AK-47, like the old U.S. Army Jeep and the Lockheed Martin C-130 Hercules transport aircraft, is an example of a weapons system design that never grows old because it is virtually impossible to improve on it. The gun itself was the perfected product of a long line of previous rifles, most notably the U.S. Army's beloved Garand M-1 and the Wehrmacht's SturmGevehr StG44 during World War II. And variants or knockoffs of it have abounded, most ably the Israeli Army’s Galil assault rifle.

IMP announced last week it would construct two separate factories in Venezuela, one to make the AK-47s and the other to provide ammunition for the weapons, RIA Novosti reported. Both plants are scheduled to be completed by 2010, the report said.

The Izhevsk Mechanical Plant has already manufactured and supplied 100,000 AK-103 assault rifles to Venezuela under an earlier contract and signed a new contract licensing production of Kalashnikov rifles with the nation, RIA Novosti said.

"We will begin construction of two plants in Venezuela at the end of 2007," Vladimir Gorodetsky, the IMP general director, told a news conference to celebrate the 60th anniversary of the AK-47.

"One plant will manufacture AK-103 assault rifles and another plant will produce 7.62-mm ammunition for the rifle," he said, according to the report.

RIA Novosti said Gorodetsky announced the two factories would be built together at the same location and that Venezuela had also bought the rights to the necessary manufacturing technologies and production licenses.

"It is an absolutely legitimate license on the production of small arms in Venezuela legally purchased by the country," Gorodetsky said.

Gorodetsky said further deals were envisaged under which IMP would provide Venezuela with other weapons such as Dragunov sniper rifles. "Our goal is to re-equip the Venezuelan army with modern types of small arms, grenade launchers, and sniper rifles," he said.

The deal was in many senses no surprise. Venezuela’s fiercely anti-American President Hugo Chavez is awash with petrodollars as global oil prices remain around or well over $60 a barrel. And with China’s industrial demand for oil growing by the hour and India rapidly following suit, the global market may stay tight for many years to come.

Also, Chavez has been buying arms on a large scale from Russia for some years now.

RIA Novosti noted that Venezuela in 2005-2006 purchased $3.4 billion of weapons from Moscow, including 24 Su-30MK2V Flanker fighters, Tor-M1 air defense missile systems, Mi-17B multi-role helicopters, Mi-35 Hind E attack helicopters and Mi-26 Halo heavy transport helicopters.

The deal further confirms Russia’s effectiveness as a global arms exporter. Its prices are competitive; its weapons designs tend to be relatively simple, comparatively low-tech, and easy to use. That is especially the case with the AK-47, an assault rifle that, as U.S. combat soldiers 40 years ago during the Vietnam War learned to their cost, almost never jammed, in contrast to the standard U.S. Army issue M-16 of those days, which was heavy and jammed often.

But the deal also underlines Chavez’s ambitions, his challenge to U.S. influence across Latin America, and Russia’s willingness to accommodate those ambitions, especially if the opportunity is there to make a healthy free-market profit at the same time.

It also serves notice that the most important arms deals and the most valuable and useful weapons may not be high-prestige, high-tech, cutting-edge super-aircraft or nuclear submarines. Over the past 60 years Kalashnikovs have killed millions of people in wars; nuclear submarines have killed as far as is known, almost none. (About 1,000 Argentine sailors drowned when the British nuclear submarine HMS Conqueror torpedoed and sank the Argentine heavy cruiser General Belgrano during the 1982 Falklands/Malvinas War.)

Just because the AK-47 is an old design and “only” an assault rifle doesn’t mean it isn’t important. Scores of thousands of AK-47s can kill a lot of people -- and they are guaranteed to work.

[jerry]

Originally Posted by teenagegunwacho

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Never mind

[mym1a]

Originally Posted by teenagegunwacho

Read "Russia" before you read this

Do you think there will ever be a Red Dawn type scenario with this country or any other countries

If we crumble it will be within, we have plenty of home grown anti americans who parade in suits talking of change,oh some may or may not elect to wear an american flag on their lapel, none the less they are there in your states capitol, nations capitol, schools, colleges, welfare offices, jails, prisons and on the streets!