Gun question

[Gotta_Fly]

Hi Folks,
New to this forum, and I have question, I am looking for a rifle for my son & I to shoot targets. But, I also want it to shoot small game, squirrels & starlings mostly.
My problem is I live in townhome community. I would like something that is quiet and doesn't make too loud of a sound. My property backs up on to 1000 achers of forest land, so travel is not an issues.
Thanks,
GF

[binfordw]

The first and probably biggest criteria, is your budget.

How much are you willing to spend?

What would you expect out of the air rifle? i.e, accuracy, useable range, quality of the rifle itself.

The fact that you live in a populated area isn't as bad as it seems. You can use an air rifle, some of which are nearly silent, and the good ones rank right up with top of the line rimfires when it comes to performance. You won't have the power a rimfire offers, but you don't need it for the majority of smaller furbearers anyway.

[neophyte]

Gotta_Fly: Sir; first check your hunting regulations for your state and county.
Many counties have outlined: what how when
Ruger 10-22 out of the box, anywhere to better than you'll ever be to better than you can imagine.
Ruger 10-22 has a tremdous following with many many dedicated after market parts to continue to make something good even better.

Pellet guns and Air Guns too have a following.

First and foremost; hunting is a sport to us. The 'game' needs hunters to be responsible, and not made to suffer a horrendous death of undue pain.
Accuracy and speed of the projectile are the most important.
Knowing your 'practiced' range
and practice until you get good and then start practicing more.

[Gotta_Fly]

Craig,
first and foremost thank you for the help & advise. Being the son of a hunter I am well versed in the responsibilities & duty of not only owning a gun, but how & when to use it. As for the regulations, I am in the process of getting that information from my township.
As for the other questions:

"How much are you willing to spend?"
I want to be reasonable, I am thinking of not going over $250.00, but would like to get a good quality item for as cheap as possible!!

"What would you expect out of the air rifle? i.e, accuracy, useable range, quality of the rifle itself."
Accuracy - isn't that dependent on the shooter?
Useable range - any where from 50 to 1000 feet
quality of rifle - I want something that will last an not need to be repaired constantly- I don't want junk!!

Thanks,
Ed

[squirrelbaster]

sounds to me like you need a ruger 10/22!!! i love mine, and there are LOTS of after market parts for this gun, so can costamize it almost any way you want, not that you NEED to its a great gun right out of the box, and not very expensive around here they cost $175 new. and you totaly correct accuracy DOES depend on the shooter! but this gun will do its part if you do yours.

[GlockMeister]

First off, I'd like to welcome to G&G.
As for your question, if by small game you mean, rabbits and squirrels, then by all means, the Ruger 10-22 is the rifle to get. Another caliber to consider would be the .17. But the .22 is far cheaper. Not to mention the norm when it comes to a child's first gun.
Good luck and remember to teach your son safety and responsibility first. He's the future to represent gun ownership in America. Good luck and I hope you both not only bond, but find it to be as much fun and enjoyable as my son and I do.

[Rye-man]

Uhm guys, I think he's looking for an AIR RIFLE (since it's posted in the air rifle section)

[binfordw]

Originally Posted by Gotta_Fly

I want to be reasonable, I am thinking of not going over $250.00, but would like to get a good quality item for as cheap as possible!!

Accuracy - isn't that dependent on the shooter?
Useable range - any where from 50 to 1000 feet
quality of rifle - I want something that will last an not need to be repaired constantly- I don't want junk!!

Thanks,
Ed

Are you after an Air rifle- or a firearm?

[GlockMeister]

Originally Posted by Rye-man

Uhm guys, I think he's looking for an AIR RIFLE (since it's posted in the air rifle section)

True, but I answered based on the description of property backs up into 1000 acres of forest. Plenty of distance for a .22. Plus, small game can cover a vast array of small animals, some,yes an air rifle would take out, but only to certain distances. So again, why I, along with others suggested the or a .22. Also, this is where being a tad bit more specific could and can help?

[Rye-man]

Ok, makes sense why you made those suggestions. I just unwisely assumed that maybe people hadn't noticed which section he had posted it in.

[Gotta_Fly]

Guys,
Here is what I am looking for and Air rifle or Air pistol.
Something to shoot with my son (10yrs old) & something to shoot squirrel & starlings. I need it to be quiet so my neighbors don't here it. I live in townhouse community and I have an end unit with a lot of forest behind the home. But I still don't want to alert anyone.

The rifles are 1000fps and the pistols are 350 to 430fps approx. I will be most likly shooting squirrel & starlings from bedroom window when wife & kids are not home.

I have looked at:
Crossmen Quest 1000x - to loud - bought one then returned it

Walther Nighthawk Tach Air Pistol

Gamo PT-80 Tactical & Whisper
Let me know what you think,
Ed

[binfordw]

Look into a Beeman R-7.


Very quiet, Quality is second to none. Accuracy is excellent, One-hole at 30yards if the shooter does his part.

They are more expensive than the Crosman and Gamo's you've been looking at, but you get what you pay for. The R-7 is a gun you'll have for life, that is if your son doesn't claim it as his own first!


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There is another option, and Thats the weilrauch HW-30.

They are nearly identical to the R-7, but they have a simpler stock, and don't have the famous "Rekord" trigger. They are nearly $100 cheaper though.

Beeman HW30 Air Rifle. Air rifles - PyramydAir.com

[neophyte]

Gotta_Fly: Sir; I did a quick and dirty search "air rifle forums".

There is a bunch there. Google and let us know.

You have a very narrow band that you are working from.

Sir; sometimes we get folks around us that haven't any experiences with hunting and the regulations.

Sometimes "youngsters'. That is why I generally lead them to the law. This thing doesn't tell me anything about the receiving party.

I want you and your son to enjoy this new adventure. Keep posting and let us know how it's going.

[Gotta_Fly]

I completely understand, you really never know who you are "chatting with."
I will follow your advise folks!!
Thanks!!

Ed

[binfordw]

Originally Posted by neophyte

Sir; sometimes we get folks around us that haven't any experiences with hunting and the regulations.

Sometimes "youngsters'. That is why I generally lead them to the law. This thing doesn't tell me anything about the receiving party.

.

I'm not sure if that statement was to be directed towards my advice or not....


I've been actively involved in precision airgunning and airgun hunting for over a decade now.. I try to help others keep from making the same mistakes as myself when starting out into this hobby.

I own several quality airguns and can answer any questions you have regarding the airgunning hobby. I too would like to see you get started on the right foot and be on your way to a fun and rewarding pastime, instead of ending up frustrated from spending money on market-hyped, low quality garbage.

[fishnfool1991]

there is a pellet/.22 dual combo as i can see you are in kind of a residential area and you do need to be quiet i guess lol but beeman Beeman SS1000H dual caliber air rifle combo
2 interchangeable barrels
.177 & .22 caliber barrels has 1000fps plenty to kill a rabbit but also if you move or go somewhere else you can use .22 also gamo has a varmint hunter that is really nice its also a pellet gun but it runs about $177, and the beeman is a about $145 i like the gamo better though

[neophyte]

binfordw: Sir; absolutely not.
I intended it for 'Gotta_Fly'
and I do believe he totally understood;

Majority of the time I identify the individual directly. That is how that I can remember what my thought was

Sir; your information is good clear and concise.
At times; maybe; our knowledge and willingness to share about the specific; with new-bees;
we haven't a clue about their background. They in turn haven't a clue about the "other" parts.= the law.

Craig

[29er savoy]

go with a beeman .20 cal R-7

[Gotta_Fly]

Hi Guys,
I just want to thank everyone again for the help!!
I am going to try the Gamo Whisper w/PBA pellets and see how it goes. I found a store about 10 min from my home who sells them and the guys there liked it and understood what I needed.
The great thing is if it doesen't work after the first week I can take it back for refund.

I will let you all know, watch out Starlings!!!!!!!!!!
Ed

[binfordw]

Originally Posted by Gotta_Fly

I am going to try the Gamo Whisper w/PBA pellets
Ed

Save your reciept.


After you return it, do yourself a huge favor and call Straightshooters at

(320)240-9062

Talk to them. They actually know airguns. They won't claim they do and then sell you a silly marketing ploy-of-a-rifle and useless "super" pellets.