C&R questions - Page 2

jimb2 · 02-12-2008, 08:03 PM

Just mail them a hard copy. That is all you need. They put it on file and it is there when you need it.
In re inspections: they must make an appointment no matter where you live. They cannot just show up at your door. You must record in your book ALL C&R firearms that you obtain while you have the license whether you use the license or not. When you cease to have a license, you are NOT required to turn in your bound book.
I should be getting the paperwork shortly for my 3rd renewal....Best money I ever spent.

mdj696 · 02-17-2008, 12:47 AM

I've had my C&R over a year now, bought one No 4 Enfield, advertised Curio & Relic. Sent them a signed copy in ink as requested, no problem. Question: Do companies have the option to list rifles, receivers, C&R or FFL dealer required. Example: Found a No 1 Mark III Enfield receiver, Theyt advertised had to be sent to a FFL holder. You would think a C&R license would be suficiant.

Paper · 02-17-2008, 06:22 AM

Your C&R is an FFL license, as it's a FFL 03. Did they advertise a FFL 01 only?
Also, you need to remember that they have the right not to accept a Curio and Relic license if they don't want to. Even if a C&R is eligible and completely legal, they don't have to sell to a C&R holder if they don't want to.

I've got a local shot that sells a bunch of guns, and always has a selection of Mil-Surp guns. He doesn't accept a C and R because he doesn't want the hassle of proving that the gun was C and R eligible to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms when they check his records.. It's his store and he can do as he wishes..

I bought a 43 Husky Swedish Mauser from him a couple months ago and I had to fill out a 4473.. Wasn't really an issue since I was buying a new Savage at the same time.

He's up front about it, and it's his store.. I could boycot him for not being able to purchase with a C&R, but since I find deals in there on guns I want, why do that to myself?

mdj696 · 02-17-2008, 09:08 PM

In the advertisement it's listed as "Must be shipped to a FFL Dealer. So its my guess that since I'm not a dealer my C&R doesn't count, would I be right? I have severals FFL dealers its really not a problem. Seems that a dealer doesn't want the hassel os sending them a copy of their license.

Paper · 02-17-2008, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdj696

In the advertisement it's listed as "Must be shipped to a FFL Dealer. So its my guess that since I'm not a dealer my C&R doesn't count, would I be right? I have severals FFL dealers its really not a problem. Seems that a dealer doesn't want the hassel os sending them a copy of their license.

Yup.. We're lowly collectors..
One thing.. Most of the time I'll email and ask if they'll accept my FFL03 license, since the item is C and R eligible.. Usually, I'll get a "Sure" and go about the purchase.. Occasionally you'll get someone who won't do it, but most will when asked..

mdj696 · 02-18-2008, 05:43 AM

Thanks, I'll give it a try. Would like to cut out the middle man.

jimb2 · 02-18-2008, 06:17 PM

C&R requires that the firearm be both complete AND in essentially original configuration. The laws specifically state that a receiver is NOT C&R since it can be used as the basis for an entirely different firearm.

mdj696 · 02-19-2008, 08:19 PM

Thanks, that surely answers trhe question, let my dealer handle it.

roadie · 02-28-2008, 06:22 PM

Heres a question, it may be answered but I didn't read through all the posts. I am still waiting for my c&r to arrive, once I get it. when i purchase a firearm, will I have to pay the backgound (brady tax) check fee if what I am buying is not a c&r weapon, I know the transfer fee would apply if bought online, but if I went into a store and got a new gun, would the background fee still apply? I would think not, since a would be a license holder, but I thought i'd ask anyway.

M14man · 02-28-2008, 10:58 PM

In Florida, you still have to pay even if you have the C&R. You will probably have to also.

cheapblaster · 03-13-2008, 10:31 PM

Roadie,

Your C&R is good ONLY for C&R classified weapons. If you by a modern firearm at a gun store you are just another customer, you will have to do all of the paperwork needed where you live and pay appropriate fees.

I'm not sure if having a C&R means anything if you buy a C&R gun at a store. At least here in California it means nothing, I still have to do the paperwork, pay DROS fees and wait ten days. If someone living elsewhere has a different experience please chime in.

Basically the C&R allows interstate shipment of eligible guns to your door. Guns have to be shipped to an FFL holder, having a C&R makes you an FFL holder able to receive C&R guns. And the gun has to be legal in your state (I'm in California, don't get me started on that....)

alice sanchez · 04-07-2008, 11:29 AM

Do you know anything about the "little Scout"? 14 1/2" single shot by Stevens Arms. It says pat July 02 07. I know this little guy has been in the family over 50 years. How can I find out mor?
Thanks,
A Sanchez
harveyal75440@yahoo.com

phoenix79 · 04-07-2008, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alice sanchez

Do you know anything about the "little Scout"? 14 1/2" single shot by Stevens Arms. It says pat July 02 07. I know this little guy has been in the family over 50 years. How can I find out mor?
Thanks,
A Sanchez
harveyal75440@yahoo.com

You may be able to contact stevens and see if they can check on the serial number of that firearm. I know other companies will do that.

Paper · 04-07-2008, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phoenix79

You may be able to contact stevens and see if they can check on the serial number of that firearm. I know other companies will do that.

Or, if it doesn't have a serial number, check Gun Trader's Guide to see when it was last made. I have a few Mossberg 151K .22 rifles, and they're C and R because the last time they were manufactured was over 50 years ago. None of them had serial numbers, though..

WestTex · 04-10-2008, 10:21 PM

Thanks for all the good information. I've just sent for my C & R application.
I've already bought a couple of Mosin 91/30s and a M-44. Can't wait to add some to the collection with the License

Paper · 04-10-2008, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WestTex

Thanks for all the good information.

It's OK to thank us, and we're more than happy to help, but remember.. You can't BLAME us for what happens 6 months from now..

WestTex · 04-11-2008, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paper

It's OK to thank us, and we're more than happy to help, but remember.. You can't BLAME us for what happens 6 months from now..

I've been banned to the dog house several time during my marriage. It is quite confortable

once you get used to it.......

PONTIACDM · 04-13-2008, 02:16 PM

If you buy firearms that aren't C&R eligible and fill out the paper work or buy from a friend. Do you still have to record it in your book?

billy · 04-13-2008, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PONTIACDM

If you buy firearms that aren't C&R eligible and fill out the paper work or buy from a friend. Do you still have to record it in your book?

on serious matters such as this.
call the ATF to find out for sure.

roadie · 04-13-2008, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PONTIACDM

If you buy firearms that aren't C&R eligible and fill out the paper work or buy from a friend. Do you still have to record it in your book?

I asked the ATF that same question and they said only the items you buy with the c&r need to be logged. But they did say that you ought to keep records of everything you have for security/insurance reasons. I'm in week 10 of waiting for mine...I called the license center and they said it was still processing...they said average now is about 90 days. so those who got it quicker are pretty lucky.

02-12-2008, 08:03 PM	#21
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 494 Trader Rating: (0)	Just mail them a hard copy. That is all you need. They put it on file and it is there when you need it. In re inspections: they must make an appointment no matter where you live. They cannot just show up at your door. You must record in your book ALL C&R firearms that you obtain while you have the license whether you use the license or not. When you cease to have a license, you are NOT required to turn in your bound book. I should be getting the paperwork shortly for my 3rd renewal....Best money I ever spent. __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...

02-17-2008, 06:22 AM	#23
Paper One Buwwit Weft Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: IL/WI Border Posts: 848 Trader Rating: (0)	Your C&R is an FFL license, as it's a FFL 03. Did they advertise a FFL 01 only? Also, you need to remember that they have the right not to accept a Curio and Relic license if they don't want to. Even if a C&R is eligible and completely legal, they don't have to sell to a C&R holder if they don't want to. I've got a local shot that sells a bunch of guns, and always has a selection of Mil-Surp guns. He doesn't accept a C and R because he doesn't want the hassle of proving that the gun was C and R eligible to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms when they check his records.. It's his store and he can do as he wishes.. I bought a 43 Husky Swedish Mauser from him a couple months ago and I had to fill out a 4473.. Wasn't really an issue since I was buying a new Savage at the same time. He's up front about it, and it's his store.. I could boycot him for not being able to purchase with a C&R, but since I find deals in there on guns I want, why do that to myself? __________________

02-17-2008, 09:08 PM	#24
mdj696 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 238 Trader Rating: (0)	In the advertisement it's listed as "Must be shipped to a FFL Dealer. So its my guess that since I'm not a dealer my C&R doesn't count, would I be right? I have severals FFL dealers its really not a problem. Seems that a dealer doesn't want the hassel os sending them a copy of their license. Last edited by mdj696; 02-17-2008 at 09:10 PM. Reason: additional info

02-18-2008, 06:17 PM	#27
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 494 Trader Rating: (0)	C&R requires that the firearm be both complete AND in essentially original configuration. The laws specifically state that a receiver is NOT C&R since it can be used as the basis for an entirely different firearm. __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...

02-28-2008, 06:22 PM	#29
roadie Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 585 Trader Rating: (0)	Heres a question, it may be answered but I didn't read through all the posts. I am still waiting for my c&r to arrive, once I get it. when i purchase a firearm, will I have to pay the backgound (brady tax) check fee if what I am buying is not a c&r weapon, I know the transfer fee would apply if bought online, but if I went into a store and got a new gun, would the background fee still apply? I would think not, since a would be a license holder, but I thought i'd ask anyway. __________________ Blaming guns for violent acts is like blaming the keyboard for your poor spelling.

02-17-2008, 12:47 AM	#22
mdj696 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 238 Trader Rating: (0)	I've had my C&R over a year now, bought one No 4 Enfield, advertised Curio & Relic. Sent them a signed copy in ink as requested, no problem. Question: Do companies have the option to list rifles, receivers, C&R or FFL dealer required. Example: Found a No 1 Mark III Enfield receiver, Theyt advertised had to be sent to a FFL holder. You would think a C&R license would be suficiant.

02-18-2008, 05:43 AM	#26
mdj696 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 238 Trader Rating: (0)	Thanks, I'll give it a try. Would like to cut out the middle man.

02-19-2008, 08:19 PM	#28
mdj696 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 238 Trader Rating: (0)	Thanks, that surely answers trhe question, let my dealer handle it.

02-28-2008, 10:58 PM	#30
M14man Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: FLA Posts: 353 Trader Rating: (0)	In Florida, you still have to pay even if you have the C&R. You will probably have to also.

03-13-2008, 10:31 PM	#31
cheapblaster Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: SF Bay area, California Posts: 87 Trader Rating: (0)	Roadie, Your C&R is good ONLY for C&R classified weapons. If you by a modern firearm at a gun store you are just another customer, you will have to do all of the paperwork needed where you live and pay appropriate fees. I'm not sure if having a C&R means anything if you buy a C&R gun at a store. At least here in California it means nothing, I still have to do the paperwork, pay DROS fees and wait ten days. If someone living elsewhere has a different experience please chime in. Basically the C&R allows interstate shipment of eligible guns to your door. Guns have to be shipped to an FFL holder, having a C&R makes you an FFL holder able to receive C&R guns. And the gun has to be legal in your state (I'm in California, don't get me started on that....)

04-07-2008, 11:29 AM	#32
alice sanchez Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2 Trader Rating: (0)	Do you know anything about the "little Scout"? 14 1/2" single shot by Stevens Arms. It says pat July 02 07. I know this little guy has been in the family over 50 years. How can I find out mor? Thanks, A Sanchez harveyal75440@yahoo.com

04-10-2008, 10:21 PM	#35
WestTex Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: West Texas Posts: 26 Trader Rating: (0)	Thanks for all the good information. I've just sent for my C & R application. I've already bought a couple of Mosin 91/30s and a M-44. Can't wait to add some to the collection with the License

04-13-2008, 02:16 PM	#38
PONTIACDM Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: OHIO Posts: 526 Trader Rating: (0)	If you buy firearms that aren't C&R eligible and fill out the paper work or buy from a friend. Do you still have to record it in your book? __________________ I'm Safe Inside My Helmet