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Derf · 02-19-2008, 10:45 PM

Greetings,
I have been monitoring this site for quite some time, but I have never posted. Now I need your help. I have two Inland trigger housings, one of which I'm certain is a type 5. The other seems to contradict the book by Craig Riesch. He states that the oil hole was not put into use untill the Inland type 5. However, I have what appears to be a type 2, but with an oil hole. So now I'm not sure what I have. The pics show the two trigger housings together, easily ID'd, the one in question being the one with the beveled corners at the rear. Supposedly only type 1 & 2 had this bevel. The only other difference being the Inland stamp. The type 5 being vertical, and the other horizontal. Both are near mint, but its hard to tell, as they both show a very light blasting prior to the parkerizing. Any and all opinions greatfully accepted.
Derf
Gresham, Or.

jimb2 · 02-20-2008, 06:39 PM

Actually what you probably have is a type 2 that has gone through an arsenal rebuild. When the carbines were overhauled for the Korean war, many of the trigger housings were retrofitted with the oil hole. That isn't too unusual. In fact the rebuilding often took early housings and converted them to M2 configuration, so don't let modifications throw you too much. A lot of strange things were done to those parts. You can even find some that are blued and others with a strange purple/plum color.

Derf · 02-20-2008, 08:59 PM

Good info, thanks for the reply. I know things aren't an exact science, but still a lot of fun.
Derf

jimb2 · 02-22-2008, 09:59 AM

The more you learn, the more you realize there is to learn!

Kodiak32 · 02-22-2008, 11:02 PM

Welcome to the site!!

Elarski · 02-23-2008, 05:13 AM

I've been into firearms since my teens, and I consider myself knowledgeable on the subject, until...

I recently got interested in the M1 Carbine. Wow! I had no idea how much there is to learn about this cool little rifle. So far I'm having a blast learning, and looking forward to buying an Underwood from a friend in a couple of months. I also look forward to learning from the threads from you fine folks on this forum.

jimb2 · 02-23-2008, 08:11 PM

Carbines are probably the most complex rifle ever built in terms of makers and subcontractors. There are 9 military manufacturers with three distinct model variations and four time variants as well as around 400 subcontractors. This means that there could be nearly a million possible combinations of parts, and that is before you start to include parts transfers! There is even one carbine that has NO parts manufactured by the company that assembled it! It makes my head hurt just to think about these possibilities, and I'm an advanced collector! *LOL*

Derf · 02-23-2008, 08:39 PM

Considering the many different possible combination of parts, is there a good reference that I might use to figure out which parts to buy? I'm making an attemt to bring my M1's up to a more correct level. I have been using the Craig Riesch 5th edition book which has helped a ton. I have two and a half guns at this point. Inland, Rockola, and IBM. Thanks for the info and support.
Derf

sexysete · 02-24-2008, 08:51 AM

are you including civilian makers also

alpo · 02-24-2008, 09:22 AM

Welcome.

Derf · 02-24-2008, 02:11 PM

Thanks for the input. I have been using the book by Craig Riesch as my only guide to what is correct for which parts to buy when upgrading my guns. Is there another book anyone would recomend for this purpose? I currently have two and a half m1's I tinker with on a regular basis.
Derf

jimb2 · 02-24-2008, 07:10 PM

Reisch is an excellent place to start. The other top book is very expensive....War Baby by Ruth. There is a lot more info in there including the history of carbine development and production.
Sexysete, I'm NOT including commercial carbines in that list! If you start including those, you will more than double the number. Nor am I including the post WWII rebuilds which would add another 200 or so additional parts makers. The numbers are huge!

02-20-2008, 06:39 PM	#2
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 513	Actually what you probably have is a type 2 that has gone through an arsenal rebuild. When the carbines were overhauled for the Korean war, many of the trigger housings were retrofitted with the oil hole. That isn't too unusual. In fact the rebuilding often took early housings and converted them to M2 configuration, so don't let modifications throw you too much. A lot of strange things were done to those parts. You can even find some that are blued and others with a strange purple/plum color. __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...

02-20-2008, 08:59 PM	#3
Derf Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Oregon Posts: 7	Thanks Good info, thanks for the reply. I know things aren't an exact science, but still a lot of fun. Derf

02-22-2008, 09:59 AM	#4
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 513	The more you learn, the more you realize there is to learn! __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...

02-23-2008, 08:11 PM	#7
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 513	Carbines are probably the most complex rifle ever built in terms of makers and subcontractors. There are 9 military manufacturers with three distinct model variations and four time variants as well as around 400 subcontractors. This means that there could be nearly a million possible combinations of parts, and that is before you start to include parts transfers! There is even one carbine that has NO parts manufactured by the company that assembled it! It makes my head hurt just to think about these possibilities, and I'm an advanced collector! LOL __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...

02-23-2008, 08:39 PM	#8
Derf Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Oregon Posts: 7	M1 jig saw puzzel Considering the many different possible combination of parts, is there a good reference that I might use to figure out which parts to buy? I'm making an attemt to bring my M1's up to a more correct level. I have been using the Craig Riesch 5th edition book which has helped a ton. I have two and a half guns at this point. Inland, Rockola, and IBM. Thanks for the info and support. Derf

02-22-2008, 11:02 PM	#5
Kodiak32 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 292	Welcome to the site!!

02-23-2008, 05:13 AM	#6
Elarski Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Santa Maria, CA Posts: 45	I've been into firearms since my teens, and I consider myself knowledgeable on the subject, until... I recently got interested in the M1 Carbine. Wow! I had no idea how much there is to learn about this cool little rifle. So far I'm having a blast learning, and looking forward to buying an Underwood from a friend in a couple of months. I also look forward to learning from the threads from you fine folks on this forum.

02-24-2008, 08:51 AM	#9
sexysete Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oak Harbor, Wa Posts: 32	are you including civilian makers also

02-24-2008, 09:22 AM	#10
alpo Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 135	Welcome.

02-24-2008, 02:11 PM	#11
Derf Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Oregon Posts: 7	Thanks for the input. I have been using the book by Craig Riesch as my only guide to what is correct for which parts to buy when upgrading my guns. Is there another book anyone would recomend for this purpose? I currently have two and a half m1's I tinker with on a regular basis. Derf

02-24-2008, 07:10 PM	#12
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 513	Reisch is an excellent place to start. The other top book is very expensive....War Baby by Ruth. There is a lot more info in there including the history of carbine development and production. Sexysete, I'm NOT including commercial carbines in that list! If you start including those, you will more than double the number. Nor am I including the post WWII rebuilds which would add another 200 or so additional parts makers. The numbers are huge! __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...