Troops with no weapons.

[Mooseman684]

It seems that a LOT of Americans ( Not ALL) are turning into a bunch of Whining Panty-Waists ! While I may not agree with Everything George W. Does, He is Our President and he had a job to do after the War was brought to our soil. We HAD to show the world that we will Not stand to be attacked or threatened by terrorists or some pipsqueak dictator, otherwise it would have been open season on America from every terror outfit in the world.
War is necessary, but the damn Politicians need to stay out of it and let our Generals do their job, Period. Had we been attacked 2 or 3 times a year people would be screaming at George to go kick butt and do something about it.Now it's onoz_omg2.gif

[LarryO1970]

Agreed Mooseman ... another factor people are "forgetting" is that the Congress and Senate vote to approve most actions.

Whose to say that ammo and supplies were requested and the Congressional and/or Senate members were on "vacation" or delaying the vote to add their "pork"? Like I said, place blame where due... it is not the Presiden't job to approve supply requests.

[rick343]

" I voted for it before I voted against it or was it the other way around?"
Civilians don't know how to wage war but Palocy and that mob know more than our military professionals. So we are where we are. One great thing that has happened, you don't hear too much about the war from these ass holes, they know we are winning.

_________________________
I'm your huckleberry

[JBS]

Our military has NEVER FAILED, at anything they undertook. As far as VietNam goes we NEVER lost a battle, NEVER FAILED. We in the military were FAILED BY PEOPLE LIKE YOU!! My last comment on this dead horse is...MISS ON YOU PISTER!!

Originally Posted by nathangdad

It is not defeat we must declare. It is failure we must realize.
Failure to own up to the fact that it was a Bush administration
lie that lead us into a national disgrace. Failure to plan. Failure to consider options. Failure to admit we are often our own worst enemy.
But mostly it is the failure to admit failure that keeps it going
and, for those of us who care about conservatism, the sad reality
that like Vietnam the current war and its association with conservatism
will move the nation to the more liberal stance endangering further
our freedoms under the second amendment.
The Bush war policy and "spying on Americans" legislation is the
greatest gift to liberalism since Barry Goldwater's presidential
campaign against Lyndon Johnson.

[LarryO1970]

Originally Posted by rick343

" I voted for it before I voted against it or was it the other way around?"
Civilians don't know how to wage war but Palocy and that mob know more than our military professionals. So we are where we are. One great thing that has happened, you don't hear too much about the war from these ass holes, they know we are winning.

_________________________
I'm your huckleberry

LOL ... Rick, you either read my mind or we come from the same kind of background. I actually had put in the Kerry statement through editing but it didn't take.

Pelosi and the Democrats like Murtha, Kennedy, Reid, etc. (in my opinion) want the public to believe we are losing the war to further their political ambitions. Again, in my opinion, I feel they are doing so for their own personal benefit. They know we are making a huge difference to the people there but will continually deny that fact to further their political ambitions. A loss of the war... through public perception is their strongest card. They (Democrats) control most of the media, so this is easy to do. Hollywood types like Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins are mouthpieces for the Democrats ideals.

If people REALLY want to know what is TRULY happening in IRAQ, they need to ask the Veterans returning from Iraq. They will tell the truth.

Some Democrats believe these returning Veterans are being told what to say... that is bulls**t.

[mym1a]

lol Bush hating, will probably never end in our life time. the dems have a past present and future patsy.

[samuel]

Originally Posted by mym1a

lol Bush hating, will probably never end in our life time. the dems have a past present and future patsy.

How true!How sad! sam.

[fishnfool1991]

Im just stating my opinion in this and i think that this Obama guy is a lying *** what is our country comming to. Im moving to canada any one wanna come? i also talked to alot of my friends that are in the military high ranking officers and medics and they are all republicans and woaaaa look at there they have all had guns from the united states military is that possible?

[nathangdad]

If you think the Bush Wars and Domestic Spy Bills aren't the best gift to liberalism since Goldwater's presidential campaign run against Lyndon Johnson you might want to check CNN.

61 congressional districts that voted for Bush in 2004
have elected Democratics to the House.

As of today 12 additional Republicans will not seek House
re-election as opposed to 2 Democrats.

As of today 5 Republican senators will not seek re-election
as opposed to zero Democrats.

Some people say we are winning in Iraq yet the mortar
rounds falling in the Green Zone a day or so ago raise the
interesting yet sad point we cannot point to one sqare inch of
Iraq as secure.

I remain a Texas Conservative (one of many) who see
the Bush Wars and Domestic Spy Bills as a gift to liberalism
and a trajedy to conservatism.

I will remain open minded to any members of this forum
who will present facts (not emotionalism) to show me where
the Bush foreign policy has bettered America either at home
or abroad. I will remain open minded to any members of this
forum who will present facts (not emotionalism) to show any
one of us, as American citizens, have not suffered an erosion
of basic human rights and freedoms under the Bush administration.

How can anyone say Bush has been a benefit to the
conservative cause?

[LarryO1970]

Originally Posted by nathangdad

If you think the Bush Wars and Domestic Spy Bills aren't the best gift to liberalism since Goldwater's presidential campaign run against Lyndon Johnson you might want to check CNN.

61 congressional districts that voted for Bush in 2004
have elected Democratics to the House.

As of today 12 additional Republicans will not seek House
re-election as opposed to 2 Democrats.

As of today 5 Republican senators will not seek re-election
as opposed to zero Democrats.

Some people say we are winning in Iraq yet the mortar
rounds falling in the Green Zone a day or so ago raise the
interesting yet sad point we cannot point to one sqare inch of
Iraq as secure.

I remain a Texas Conservative (one of many) who see
the Bush Wars and Domestic Spy Bills as a gift to liberalism
and a trajedy to conservatism.

I will remain open minded to any members of this forum
who will present facts (not emotionalism) to show me where
the Bush foreign policy has bettered America either at home
or abroad. I will remain open minded to any members of this
forum who will present facts (not emotionalism) to show any
one of us, as American citizens, have not suffered an erosion
of basic human rights and freedoms under the Bush administration.

How can anyone say Bush has been a benefit to the
conservative cause?

... so, how are we supposed to take the Democrats GIVING away our country to the U.N. ? You speak of basic human rights when the U.N. coveted by the Democrats created the Balkans and the murderous genocides in Africa?

Stick to your anti Bush rhetoric ... once you can justify Klinton. How about his empty lies in "finding those responsible" for the murders of American citizens?

Texas conservatives huh? Is that a new political party of your leadership?

Get a clue...

Originally Posted by nathangdad

If you think the Bush Wars and Domestic Spy Bills aren't the best gift to liberalism since Goldwater's presidential campaign run against Lyndon Johnson you might want to check CNN.

61 congressional districts that voted for Bush in 2004
have elected Democratics to the House.

As of today 12 additional Republicans will not seek House
re-election as opposed to 2 Democrats.

As of today 5 Republican senators will not seek re-election
as opposed to zero Democrats.

Some people say we are winning in Iraq yet the mortar
rounds falling in the Green Zone a day or so ago raise the
interesting yet sad point we cannot point to one sqare inch of
Iraq as secure.

I remain a Texas Conservative (one of many) who see
the Bush Wars and Domestic Spy Bills as a gift to liberalism
and a trajedy to conservatism.

I will remain open minded to any members of this forum
who will present facts (not emotionalism) to show me where
the Bush foreign policy has bettered America either at home
or abroad. I will remain open minded to any members of this
forum who will present facts (not emotionalism) to show any
one of us, as American citizens, have not suffered an erosion
of basic human rights and freedoms under the Bush administration.

How can anyone say Bush has been a benefit to the
conservative cause?

... so, how are we supposed to take the Democrats GIVING away our country to the U.N. ? You speak of basic human rights when the U.N. coveted by the Democrats created the Balkans and the murderous genocides in Africa?

You quote, yet you show no proof or name to the quote. Empty in my opinion.

Stick to your anti Bush rhetoric ... once you can justify Klinton. How about his empty lies in "finding those responsible" for the murders of American citizens?

Texas conservatives huh? Is that a new political party of your leadership?

Are you a Veteran, yes or no? Try asking a Veteran before you spew baseless statements.

YOU know not what you are referring to. I said 90% of Iraq... so by your basis, 90% of Iraq is Baghdad? Let me guess, nothing positive is happening in Iraq? Nice try genius...

Originally Posted by nathangdad

If you think the Bush Wars and Domestic Spy Bills aren't the best gift to liberalism since Goldwater's presidential campaign run against Lyndon Johnson you might want to check CNN.

61 congressional districts that voted for Bush in 2004
have elected Democratics to the House.

As of today 12 additional Republicans will not seek House
re-election as opposed to 2 Democrats.

As of today 5 Republican senators will not seek re-election
as opposed to zero Democrats.

Some people say we are winning in Iraq yet the mortar
rounds falling in the Green Zone a day or so ago raise the
interesting yet sad point we cannot point to one sqare inch of
Iraq as secure.

I remain a Texas Conservative (one of many) who see
the Bush Wars and Domestic Spy Bills as a gift to liberalism
and a trajedy to conservatism.

I will remain open minded to any members of this forum
who will present facts (not emotionalism) to show me where
the Bush foreign policy has bettered America either at home
or abroad. I will remain open minded to any members of this
forum who will present facts (not emotionalism) to show any
one of us, as American citizens, have not suffered an erosion
of basic human rights and freedoms under the Bush administration.

How can anyone say Bush has been a benefit to the
conservative cause?

Nathangdad, since this post was obviously directed to me, go on believing the politicians when you should be believing the troops on the ground. I would have thought you’d know better by now. Apparently, that is not the case.

So, the war in Afghanistan is a gift to Liberals? Should we have turned the other cheek? Maybe we should have invited them over for peace talks? Is that why Klinton did not take Osama Bin Laden when he was offered up by Sudan in the late 1990's?

So ... the electronic measures that have deterred attacks on this country should not be used? Let me ask... ever been on the receiving end of a terrorist attack? You have no idea what the hell you are talking about. To look at foreigners talking about attacking our country, apparently, you are against it.

Senators not seeking re-relection... are they tied to President Bush or are there other reasons? Funny, you never specified why ... just said they were leaving BECAUSE of President Bush.

Whose side are you on?

[MagMT]

While I was in, we were never without weapons or ammo. That being said, though we had the latest technology, it was kept locked up and out of the troops hands because if something was broken, it would be too expensive to replace. However, this was not the case with other units. Rumor had it that my unit was not as well funded as others because as the time there wasn't much of a chance of us getting used. I know that's changed since the events that have taken place since my discharge. Just some food for thought I suppose...

[samuel]

LarryO1970:Right on even if you did have to post it twice to get your point across. sam.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by rick343

You know this Bush hating is going to stop eventually. I just wonder how long you liberal comunists will continue to blame Bush for the whoes of the world. This war could have been where we are today 3 1/2 years ago if the military was allowed to conduct this war like a war and not like a sunday picnic. I blame the loss of our troops on the congress and house for continually disgracing our fine men and women. Threatening to defund the war, and cut off any other necessities out troops needed. I blame every congressman in DC weather dem or republican. I'm pissed !!!!!!!!
_______________________
I'm your huckleberry

Us "liberal commies" will probably be at it for a while, Huck, if we follow the example the conservative fascists have set us. They've been blaming Clinton for all the troubles in the world for fifteen years now, and he hasn't even been president for seven of them...

You're telling us that if Congress had been better at kissing Bush's heiney, no one would've died in Iraq? Somehow, I doubt that. It wasn't Congress who started a war with absolutely no planning on how to hold the country afterward, and ignored the advice of our top military officers on how many troops it would take to keep a lid on things and prevent chaos. And it certainly isn't Congress who's been running it. Do you think maybe the Commander-in-Chief himself, Mr. "I'm the Decider Guy" Bush bears a little responsibility, since he's the one actually issuing the orders?

And where do Bush supporters get the odd notion that the minute Bush decided to invade Iraq it made him dictator or king, and it's treason to disagree with him?

[nathangdad]

I have a source I listed in my quote: CNN
I am not making up any election results.
I am not making up any numbers as to
the number of politicians and their party
affiliations wishing to not run this fall.

If you wish an opinion I will give you mine:
The American nation passed the point of no
return on both support for the war
and the hope for a genuine conservative
to win in this fall's presidential elections
when the failure to find weapons of mass
destruction occured. It was a political
mistake of catastrophic proportions for the
war to be linked to the conservative political
cause rather than to stress it as a bipartisan
effort. Support for the war is so low it is
lost on the home front without regard for
whatever may or may not be happening in Iraq.
We are now in a state of paralysis as to
initiating options to deal with Syria and Iran.
The Turkish military is operating in Northern Iraq,
Syria is again playing loose and free with the borders
of Lebanon, and Iran has a billion dollar deal
with the Russians for updated military equipment
while we have to sit by and watch all this going
on.


I can appreciate others may have differences
of opinion and/or emotional intensity as to Bush,
the war, etc. I rather doubt I will impact many
opinions on this forum and I will state catagorically
I have seen nothing to change my view. To win a
war it must be won both on the field of battle and
on the home front. We have further destabilized
the Mid-East by empowering Syria and Iran.
In the world of realpolitik our next president has
no choice but to withdraw American military
combat involvement then plan new strategies
for whatever emerges in the Mid-East.

[samuel]

Everyone has a right to agree or disagree.I just dont understand why liberals keep saying we are losing when,for the first time we are winning.Are votes and agenda so important to liberals that they have to harm the troops and the nation by only finding bad things and never seeing the gains lately? sam.

nathangdad:I am delighted to see you still feel you are the one that has the answer and know more than anyone else.I will bet you,no matter who gets elected,they wont withdraw from the mideast. sam.

[troy2000]

I wouldn't go so far as to say we're winning, Sam. But for the first time since the war started, I'm starting to hope that with a little luck maybe we'll break even instead of losing the pot.

I don't think Nathangdad was saying we'll withdraw from the whole Mideast; he just said the next president will withdraw our military operations in Iraq. Which is supposedly what everyone wants anyway, isn't it? Aren't the Iraqis supposed to start standing on their own two feet someday, instead of us needing to prop them up forever?

I think this is way beyond a liberal/conservative issue. Not everyone who thinks Bush blew it badly is a liberal. As a matter of fact, a lot of retired high-ranking military people believe the same thing.

[samuel]

Troy2000:Isnt it obvious to you that the biggest slowdown in bombings over there is caused by the withdrawl talk.They are just waiting for liberals to take over and start a drawdown.Then we will see alkiada start bombing and building up a base for themselves.I really intended to say the liberals wont withdraw from Iraq.If such a disaster ever happened the whole world would lose.Sure the surge did some damage but they are only waiting for someone to be elected over here that thinks more of politics than they do our nation and declairs defeat and runs.They still have the ability to defeat the Iraqis if the U.S. is out of the way.I think a lot of mistakes were made.Bush said there were a lot made.But if the U.S. pulls out you will see the mistakes compounded. sam.

[ArkansasHunter]

I watch CBN news and honest News Show. We've won the war in Iraq our troops and Military leaders have done and outstanding job.
It's a crying shame our liberal media doesnt tell the truth.
Bush really has done a good job in this unpopular war. It's the homeland Security stuff that gives me cause for concern.

...A.H

[snuffysmith]

Obama has been misquoted I think, what he really said was that it was easier for HIM to get guns from the Talaban since he has a connection. LOL

Seriously though, I think it is just a ploy to get us to believe that he gives a sh*t about our boys over there and garner a few votes from anyone dumn enough to believe anything he says.

Snuffy

[LarryO1970]

Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

I watch CBN news and honest News Show. We've won the war in Iraq our troops and Military leaders have done and outstanding job.
It's a crying shame our liberal media doesnt tell the truth.
Bush really has done a good job in this unpopular war. It's the homeland Security stuff that gives me cause for concern.

...A.H

A.H., I completely agree. The Liberals and their media (CNN, MSNBC, etc.) are all in it for their ownership, not the truth.

Again nathangdad, ask a Veteran... if you trust any one of us. You obviously trust your Liberal media...