Gray Wolf Hunting

[Bravo]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/22/us/22wolves.html?hp

There are very few wolves in Maine, and unless something changes, I'm not going to see a hunting season around here for a very long time. I wonder how a wolf hunt will differ from a coyote hunt?

[samuel]

Wolves would be a much larger target.I never shot one.I emagine they would be about the same as far as will to live. sam.

[Idaho Dave]

any luck and we will be selling tags within the year

[roadie]

It's a shame that the second an animal comes off a protected list there are folks lined up ready to kill em'. I don't hunt, but if I did I'd probably stick with game that was not ever on an endangered list, like deer...ect. Please don't misinterpret, I'm not up for an argument. I just don't get hunting an animal unless you're going to eat it, and I can't imagine wolf as a good meal like venison. Plus, if they just came off the list, why put them back on it? In my opinion if they're threatening your crop, your animals or family then do what you need to do, otherwise eat em' or leave them alone, hunt them but have respect for the creature and not take the shot. I'm not bashing hunters, I just don't get it sometimes that's all. My father was a hunter for a long time, and I know the skill it takes to track an animal, but it takes the same skill and dedication to track it and let it go. Just like to sport fishermen...the take thrill in catching the big fish, and then respect it by letting it go.

[Idaho Dave]

your respect for life is just admriable (of coures life that agrees with you turst me when I say this with many experinces to back me they dont return your respect. they would kill you when you started to run. it's thier way)that is the typical, city minded, egocentric atttitude I would assume would be a response. opening a hunting season is a way to maintain and control a population. it also raises money to pay for the damage the these animals do and further "protect" them. and just because you think it isnt right to hunt something you arent going to eat, doesnt mean everyone has to. When there are mice in your house do you just live in harmony with them? if you trap them do you eat them? get over it. I dont care about your dads hunting claims or your peacfully desire to say what you want with out an argument becasue you want to speak and not be challenged because you are sure you are right. this has some to do with hunting and some to do with us not wanting the likes of you to shove a wild, killing machine down our throats. I live with them, I have seen them in action on wildlife as well as domesticated animals, i have seen the bodies of elk, cows, sheep and deer with two or three bites taken out and left to rot. wolves are vicious killers and their numbers have expolded here. they are responsible for the death of thousands of elk and deer here every year they hunt sleep eat and hunt. they dont have causes to champion to take thier time. they are sharks with fur. some times a lot of the time, they dont eat thier kill, perhaps you should be angry with them. you want them put them in your back yard not mine then tell use what a shame it is. by your egocentric logic I feel its a shame that small pox has been eradicated lets keep a small group alive and well in las vegas Im sure that it wont spread anyplace else, and who are we to eliminate such an interesting speices that sure desrves our protection. Hey why dont you get have some respect for some ebola and grow a culture in your lunch box, why would you want to eradicate that interesting life form. What's more is wolves are not an indangered animal, tada you were lied to. canada has lots so does alaska and much of russia (I have gone to alaska and bought a license to legally hunt them before)

Worldwide Wolf Population
Idaho Governor Calls for Gray Wolf Kill, Idaho Governor Wants to Kill All but 100 Gray Wolves When Animals Are Stripped of Protection - CBS News

[roadie]

Well, I would have expected a more mature response, but I guess I was wrong. Some folks just love to argue and spout off. As I said in my post, I was not looking for an argument, I was just not understanding. Oh, I'm not city folk either, nor am I an activist. I completely understand the hunting of some animals for population control, not that I like the idea, but I do get it. But the hunting of some animals I just don't understand, unless the pose a a threat to people. And You shouldn't just bash on me for not "getting it" So relax pal, calm yer jets. I never said I was right, I just asked a question and gave an opinion...but as I re-read your response, it sounds like you have an issue with anger...you obviously need an outlet for your agression. Ya know I hear that our boys overseas can always put a good shot to use, how about taking that aggression out on the taliban. I mena really, read your post, little over the top ain't it? Can a guy not have an opinion, and then speak it. You're in-titled to yours, so I just wanted to state mine....relax.

[Idaho Dave]

Originally Posted by roadie

Well, I would have expected a more mature response, but I guess I was wrong. Some folks just love to argue and spout off.

ha well i am imature and you started spouting vailed judgment calls about killing for fun. so just go and raise that small pox. for us here it is a matter of safety of our animals, stock and people. by the way your anti war statement doesnt phase me ive been over seas, would go back if needed, and my daughter is there now, so use that empty mature threat on your anti war buddies. And of course anyone that dissagrees with you would be needing anger control, take it anyway you want but the root of my anger (and most of my neighbors) is I just dont like having no say about this issue. and all my anger aside I have been pretty good about it, having seen many in the wild I could have shot with no one knowing and I have not. I have jsut watched them do there thing and kept out of thier way. I know they are pretty and I appreciate that but they dont stay in the wilderness areas and there are way more then people think. and yes they were forced on us, and lots of us dont like them. I am understand that the concept of personal property rights and state rights may seem strange, just wait till we vote to out law prostitution or gambeling in navada. then tell me about being angry when we legislate your choices of what you can do in your state

[killer]

Ok I know the post is way too long for anyone to read but I love to talk about wolves so sorry...

Originally Posted by Idaho Dave

any luck and we will be selling tags within the year

Hopefully your State will have the backbone to stand up to the onslaught of outsiders that will be jamming your State fax machines, emails, phone lines, etcetera.

Minnesota is full of the politically correct that idolize the wolf. The Feds gave us the green light to manage them but instead of managing them they opened the decision to some stupid round table of "interested parties." Well you can guess the outcome...no outcome. The wolf lovers refused to allow one wolf to be harvested. So the locals that have to deal with the wolf in Northern MN shoot, shovel and shut their mouth.


Don't get me wrong I like hearing them howl up north and seeing them. I just don't want to see more wolf than deer. They must be managed.

Two days ago it hit the papers up here how the mooose herd is being decimated by an unknown source, they want to blame it on some mysterious virus, or brain worm or yes...Al Gore's global warming. Not once did they interject the possibility the wolves are eating them down to nothing, although they always find radio collared moose being eaten by the wolve's but feel they are simply stumbling across it as a scavenger meal.

I would gladly give the State of MN $500.00 for a one time wolf license similar to our moose season. One moose per lifetime...and one wolf per lifetime sounds fair to me.

Here's a big wolf print under 12 hours old around my cabin from a year ago. He's still in the area this winter too although I have never seen him. He come's within 50 yards of my shack.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l8...1-07xp1017.jpg


If you are hunting coyote/fox at night over bait the wolf will come in and you can tell their demeaner right away. Very layed back, not like a coyote which is herky, jerky looking around. Like samuel says the size is always a give away too. I've tried taking some pics of a smaller female at night but no go so far. I might try a trail camera down the road. I'm seeing some modifications guys are doing with better digital cameras looking pretty good.

Originally Posted by Bravo

I wonder how a wolf hunt will differ from a coyote hunt?

Not at all differrent. They respond to a hand call or bait. I have hunted them in Ontario...all you need is a non-resident small game license last time I was there.

I did call in a pack one time in Northern MN with a rabbit squealer. They never saw me and went about 100 yards off to my side and started howling. That was cool. Hair stood up on the back of my neck.

The very first time I saw a wolf was Nov 1989. I had six of them in a good stiff wind walk 20 yards from me. They were heading North into the wind and I could hear more of them howling on a place we call Buck Mountain.

They come and go where I am over the years. The population seems very stable and I know for a fact the locals are doing what the State refuses to do....MANAGE THEM.

About 7 years ago a small town in Northern MN (Silver Bay) had a female wolf eat about a dozen pet dogs before the Feds came in and trapped it. Kids were seeing it in the morning as they stood waiting for the school bus. The St Paul and Mpls papers and news channels refused to print or broadcast the story. People might think of the wolf in a bad light. Kids might get scared. When I'm at my cabin and have my dogs I have a gun close by for my pets protection. My buddy has a bird feeder half mile from me at his cabin and had a ground hog sitting on top of it all day in the hot sun. He thought, "That's odd." He got his binoc's out and scanned and sure enough there was a black wolf face peering out of the weeds waiting for Mr Groundhog. The wolf left soon as he saw he had been spotted.

Here's a story about a trapper up by me in 1972 that was attacked by a wolf that was eating a dead animal in his trap.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l8...attacked-1.jpg

I guess you can read it...best I can do. You'll have to enlarge the page.

WHY DO SOME OF MY PICS REFUSE TO POST....ARRRGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!

[Idaho Dave]

Originally Posted by killer

I would gladly give the State of MN $500.00 for a one time wolf license similar to our moose season. One moose per lifetime...and one wolf per lifetime sounds fair to me.

I too would pay 500 to take one and consider it a bargin.

[samuel]

Thanks Idaho and Killer for the posts on your personal expreiences.I am a varmint hunter and couldn't eat all of the animals I kill if I wanted to.PD hunters are worse than me,of course that is varmint.They are not wasted.Nature will find something that possibly is a benefit to eat them.Nature,unlike people that purchase their food at a market and then put half of it in a landfill or city sewer,never wastes anything.There usually has to be about 1.5 beef killed for what is eaten out of 1 beef purchased from the market.And yet these people without thinking,can say 'I eat what I kill'. sam.

[sell33]

Very true, varmints will be ate by something, not wasted. The thing is by destroying some of these varmints we are helping the farmers crops and livestock have a better chance of making it to your table. There are simply too many varmints around, not sure about wolves, but coyotes are just too densely populated and need to be limited for farmer's sake and for other wildlife populations to continue to grow.

[BPierce]

I live in MN a little further south of "killer". We to have witnessed the return of the wolf. As of now they are not much of a problem with the only complaints being from deer hunters who hunt a large federal wildlife area. Those hunters are seeing a decline in deer populations. They don't get much sympathy because deer numbers are actually quite high around here and for the most part the wolves keep to the deep woods.

What is clear is that these wolves came back fast. Part of that is because there are a lot more whitetail deer than there ever were historicaly. That's not because of a lack of wolves. It's because of a general change in deer behavior that concerns them fattening up on corn and soya beans in the fall and getting through the winter in good shape. This leads to most does having twins and a general high rate of reproduction.

So, with a ready source of food (whitetail deer are not limited to the deep woods), and a demonstrated ability to quickly increase in numbers, our wolves could quickly expand their habitat and become a problem. A really bad winter would kill off a lot of whitetail but the week and dead deer would provide a bonanza for wolves. What happens in the spring?

That, in a nutshell, is why those who live with them like to see wolves return but understand that their numbers have to be controlled. Yes, wolf hunting would be trophy hunting rather than hunting for food but is that necessarily bad. It would permit the DNR to closely regulate the size of packs and the overall number of wolves. Thus a beautiful creature would have returned to stay. Failure to manage them will eventually mean they become the pariah that they once were considered.

[Coeloptera]

Man...some people still think the old wolf-rep is real, huh?

They're not "sharks with fur". Never were. See...I have a somewhat different perspective here.

We got dogs from them. Now, if they were as bad as some people make out, we'd have never managed to domesticate them so totally successfully and for so very long. See, a lot of livestock attacks are actually from stray dogs. Wolves will also take a scavenged meal whenever the opportunity presents itself. It's easier. So the idea that the wolves are just coming across the moose carcasses is actually a pretty valid one.

They aren't mindless killing machines. They're just not. They never were, and if you think so...I'm sorry, but you're wrong. That doesn't mean I've ever discounted the threat any wild animal can present...you stand 50 feet from a Bobcat and think it's just a big housecat you'll deserve the mangling it can hand you.

Wolves were animals enough like us that we've lived with them and their descendants for over 15,000 years now. The smallpox argument is very specious as well. That particular virus was a direct threat to humans, globally. Eradicating it is one of the great triumphs of science, bar none.

Funny story killer, looks like the guy was careless and got jumped for it. Says he thought it was in the snare when he walked up. Probably spooked the holy hell out of that animal, big old human tromping right up.

But I won't ever deny we need wildlife management. We've changed the world enough that we just can't live alongside animals like that. It's just a little worrisome to see people so eager to go for it right after they're taken off the list.

- Coeloptera

[Wingwiper]

Idaho Dave and anyone else

Wolves have NEVER killed a human, in all of North America for the last 500 years. Research it and find me to be wrong. The case in Canada is still under investigation and if proven to be a Wolf would be the FIRST human killing in 500 years. Wolves very rarely attack a human unless provoked or sick, they may attack the Dog that is with the human and the human gets in the way. Wolves are of NO DANGER to humans, never have been, that is pure B.S. to even speculate that they are. German Shepards are more apt to attack their OWN Masters than a Wolf is to attack a human.

Wolves ONLY kill what they need and do not kill for sport as does the Coyote. Wolves will bury the carcass and return to it, many weeks or even months later.

Wolves were here before Livestock or Man and will be here long after our departure.
Wolves do NOT need to move over for a Farmer, the Farmer needs to learn to live with the Wolf.

The TWO states with the Largest and Healthiest Deer herds are Minnesota and Wisconsin, they are also the TWO states with the largest and healthiest Wolf Packs.

Wolves are like SOME humans in that they kill ONLY what they need. Some humans kill for thrills or for ego but not the Wolf. Wolves will kill the sick, lame or weak and through this practice they ensure the species they hunt will be more healthy and less apt to be killed off by sickness.

Wolves do more good than man does and leaves its enviroment better, man tries to imply they have a right to decide what is to live and what is to die and man destroys his enviroment.

Wolves have been on Earth for about 35 million years, Man for about 2 million.

If you want to study a Proud and very Social animal, read about the Wolf.

Wolves do not need to be MANAGED because Man can not even manage his own checkbook. Nature has been controlling this planet for billions of years and been doing a might fine job, Man is who with his philosphies and ideas have destroyed habitant, Enviroment and enroached on Wildlife and then when wildlife comes to the backyard, it is suddenly MORE management needed. B.S. Wolves do more good than all of man. This country didn't have crazy European influence for millions of years and WILDLIFE was abundant, it wasn't until the arrival of man and the Cattle and then the Sheep and then the Railroads. Man slaughtered Buffalo through his own ignorance and would do the same to every single animal, they had a notion about if they could.

Deer are not here ONLY for Man's pleasure they are here for Natures reasoning.
I too, am a hunter but I am a Sportsman and try to keep balance and FAIR CHASE in my hunts.

[samuel]

I was going to read about them but you know it all and now I dont have to because you will take care of it. sam.

[Wingwiper]

Originally Posted by samuel

I was going to read about them but you know it all and now I dont have to because you will take care of it. sam.

You know Sam, you should still read about them, even a real WISE a$$, like yourself could be enlighten.
I never said I knew it all, but I have studied the Wolves for a very long time and I side with them. Too many people have read too many fairy tales.

Killer

I can see your point. We have Moose that walk down Main St once in awhile. We have had Bears break into Car Dealerships and destroy the showroom. Animals will be where man is as long as man wants to buy all the land and live at the end of a country road. Soon the end of the country road is no longer the end to a country road.
In Calif they had a jogger killed and eatne by a Mtn Lion, in Colorado a Mtn Biker had the same fate. Animals are bieng animals and Nature will balance them.
In my state we will get a surplus of Rabbits and then the Fox population increases, then the rabbits die off and then the Fox dies off right behind them, Cycles has been going on for millions of years.

[Idaho Dave]

Originally Posted by Wingwiper

Idaho Dave and anyone else

Wolves are like SOME humans in that they kill ONLY what they need. Some humans kill for thrills or for ego but not the Wolf. Wolves will kill the sick, lame or weak and through this practice they ensure the species they hunt will be more healthy and less apt to be killed off by sickness.
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adapt, evolve, or move on. Good thing people werent around when the dinasours went extinct or you might have an awful run to your car at the end of the day. YOu may want to be ashamed to be a human but i sir am not. and to stop more lies look at the video and see how they kill before someone tells you they kill quickly and ethically. Unlike man (run bambie, man has come to the forest)

that is the biggest lie you liars tell about wolves, not wasting what they kill. it is a lie I know it, the fish and game know it, and everyone who lives where they are knows it. wolves wake up in the moring and hunt, no matter what they killed before, they dont go looking for old kills, they dont read stroies to thier kids, they dont get all politcally active about how the ground hogs want to manage thier burrows, and they seldom eat what they killed before, they have evolved to chase things and bite them. No lies will stop it, it is what they do. they hunt until they kill they eat what they will, the rest and then they hunt. you can lie to some people but not me I have seen for real firat hand and all you who doubt it look on the web there are sights, lots, offical and otherwise that show abandon kills of young animals and healthy animals with thier nose eaten off or just thier tounge eaten out. I dare you to prove to me that no time in the last 500 years a wolf never killed a man, you are as big a fool as you must think I am, those native americans didnt keep good records nor did the mountainmen or early pioneers and seatlers. But hey look at this, that is the same lame argument the people of california got feed to stop mountain lion hunting look what happened, there are reports of them kill people now. Keep trying and when your sitting in your internet coffee bar sipping capachinos keep in mind that we are our own state take the wolves to your yard if you whant them, hell I will help trap and pack them for you.
We will manage our wildlife and you start growing small pox to preserve that amazingly divers part of the bateriological gene pool. Why do you people always discriminate aginst the life forms you dont like, to stick up for the ones you do? there will be hunting here mark my words, It will be done legally and it will maintain a population of wolves that will be ample enough to continue hunting into the future for years. I will put in for the first round and every round until I draw out. and if drawn I will be successfull as, unlike most, I actually know where they are, I have seen them (by the way dont try to pet them if you do they arent the fuzzy love dogs you are lead to believe with all the cute pictures)and I will post pics of the hunt and what ever wolf I take into posession.

hey video of wolves doing what they do

YouTube - Two Wolves Hunting an Elk

YouTube - Grayling Lake wolves hunting a cow elk

on no two healthy bulls musta looked sick

YouTube - Wolves vs Elk Bull

hey wait those elk dont look sick and it isnt allways sad elk in the winter suffering the nice wolf kills they eat all year especially in the spring right after calfing.

YouTube - Wolves Hunting Elk in Snow

YouTube - Wolves Hunting Elk in Snow

Oh right from national geo

oh here is a guy that got attaked good thing he acted like a human and had friends or he would have ended your lie statistics

YouTube - Wolf Attack on Man

YouTube - Wolves kill female red deer

oh hey some more weak animals

YouTube - Wolf Love Deer

oh my wolves threaten people and eat dogs

YouTube - Wolves attack dogs

YouTube - Wolf attack

ouch and it is even cnn. hey maybe soon you wont have to say no one has been killed. look how upset these people are they had a great encounter with the respectful wolf.

you put these in your yard coming on to your land, going into your camping and hunting and range areas where you live and exist.


STOP THE LIES

[Lng Rng]

Originally Posted by Wingwiper

Idaho Dave and anyone else

Wolves have NEVER killed a human, in all of North America for the last 500 years. Research it and find me to be wrong. The case in Canada is still under investigation and if proven to be a Wolf would be the FIRST human killing in 500 years. Wolves very rarely attack a human unless provoked or sick, they may attack the Dog that is with the human and the human gets in the way. Wolves are of NO DANGER to humans, never have been, that is pure B.S. to even speculate that they are. German Shepards are more apt to attack their OWN Masters than a Wolf is to attack a human.


Wolves ONLY kill what they need and do not kill for sport as does the Coyote. Wolves will bury the carcass and return to it, many weeks or even months later.

Wolves were here before Livestock or Man and will be here long after our departure.
Wolves do NOT need to move over for a Farmer, the Farmer needs to learn to live with the Wolf.

Okay. You like to eat, don't you. Finding a balance is key, not telling the people that feed us to bend over, and take the losses.


The TWO states with the Largest and Healthiest Deer herds are Minnesota and Wisconsin, they are also the TWO states with the largest and healthiest Wolf Packs.

Minnesota is far away from having the top 2 in deer numbers, and Wisconsin blows us away in deer numbers. And our wolf population blows theirs away. And healthy? If you consider CWD, and a 20;1 buck to doe ratio healthy, then yes, we have a healty deer herd. We do, however, have the largest wolf pack. The DNR has been feeding us this 3000 wolves number for more than a few years. We have more than 3K wolves.


Wolves are like SOME humans in that they kill ONLY what they need. Some humans kill for thrills or for ego but not the Wolf. Wolves will kill the sick, lame or weak and through this practice they ensure the species they hunt will be more healthy and less apt to be killed off by sickness.

With a wolf population numbering over 3,000, most of the animals that get killed are not sick or wounded. Our winters will kill the sick/wounded animals.

Wolves do more good than man does and leaves its enviroment better, man tries to imply they have a right to decide what is to live and what is to die and man destroys his enviroment.

Can't argue with you much on that. But at this point, we have tried to control our environment so much, we are stuck in that cycle.

Wolves have been on Earth for about 35 million years, Man for about 2 million.

If you want to study a Proud and very Social animal, read about the Wolf.

Wolves do not need to be MANAGED because Man can not even manage his own checkbook. Nature has been controlling this planet for billions of years and been doing a might fine job, Man is who with his philosphies and ideas have destroyed habitant, Enviroment and enroached on Wildlife and then when wildlife comes to the backyard, it is suddenly MORE management needed. B.S. Wolves do more good than all of man. This country didn't have crazy European influence for millions of years and WILDLIFE was abundant, it wasn't until the arrival of man and the Cattle and then the Sheep and then the Railroads. Man slaughtered Buffalo through his own ignorance and would do the same to every single animal, they had a notion about if they could.

In a some aspects, our wildlife was healthier than before we came here. But, you know what? In the last few years, we have been shattering size records, harvest numbers and population goals that some people didn't think were possible? And do you know why? It is because we have found managment that works. Every year, there are more turkey permits available in my state. I can buy doe tags over the counter, prairie chickens have been re-established, there are surplus bear tag, we have more elk in my state than any year since I have been alive. All of this is due to our DNR and very sucsessful managment techniques.

Deer are not here ONLY for Man's pleasure they are here for Natures reasoning.
I too, am a hunter but I am a Sportsman and try to keep balance and FAIR CHASE in my hunts.

So, I agree that balance is absolute key. We need to find a happy medium between having wolves, and also having a huntable population of deer, and other game that we hunt, along with the wolf. We can't tell the farmers, guides and sportsmen to screw off, and we can't go and kill all of the wolves. Minnesota was actually the only state that never did kill all of its wolves.

I do have one question for you though, Wingpiper. You do seem to know some information on wolves, but how many do you have in your state that you are dealing with?

[Idaho Dave]

Originally Posted by Lng Rng

I do have one question for you though, Wingpiper. You do seem to know some information on wolves, but how many do you have in your state that you are dealing with?

that is what I am talking about!!!!
anyone south of us be ready, they are spreading much faster then you are being told. what these kind of people are spreading is lies either intentionally or just through ignorance.

Originally Posted by Wingwiper

You know Sam, you should still read about them, even a real WISE a$$, like yourself could be enlighten.
I never said I knew it all, but I have studied the Wolves for a very long time and I side with them. Too many people have read too many fairy tales.

we are part of the life cycle you as a man are not above it not the great controler of ecosystems. millions of years (probably hundreds) after the wolves and us are gone no one will remember and care. come to my house and live the fairy tail. I will tie a round stake to your pants and send you running to the ranch across the hill from us. Maybe if you get down on thier level and show submission they will let you go.
hey what do you know I havent studdied wolves for a long time but I have a bit as they have gotten more of our stock. and looky here I found a report of wolves killing people with in the last 500 years in the good old usa reported by john james audubon (of all people) in the 1850's read it here just click on the attacks on humans place at the left. Wolf Kills wonder why the pro wolf people couldnt find it? was it because of the race of the man killed? first no small pox then no ebola now this. by the way I love the quote at the top of the page.
please look at this page before jumping on the wagon to try and force some one elses wildlife handeling ideas on our state!!!!
Oh hey and look a bunch of pics of abandon wolf kills with almost nothing eaten out of them. Dont be lied to folks they are lying, look it up, look past the tireless minority.
visit this site
Wolf Kills
Jackson Hole, WY March 19, 2002
Wyoming Citizens,
My wife and I went snow machining up the Gros Ventre last Friday March 15. Saw 4 wolves run across the road in front of us just east of the Red Rock ranch. Stopped and talked to two volunteers from federal fish and wildlife service, one from Maine and one from North Dakota. Noticed elk tracks everywhere. ( very unusual) Asked how many wolves were here? "About 13" How many elk are they killing? "Three or more a night" (not counting pregnant cows aborting because of being run and stressed.)
Continued up the road, appalled by the amount of running elk tracks everywhere. (They have been conditioned for years to stay on the feed grounds) Stopped at the Goose Wing feed grounds. Pile of about 20 to 30 dead elk (cows and calves) by the road pulled there by elk feeders. Some had small amounts of flesh eaten (10 to 15) pounds from hind quarters, left to die. Others caught by nose. Nose, lips and tongue eaten off and left to die. Wounded and stressed elk laying away from herd, unable to get up. (4 or more)
Threw up---went home---haven't slept since.
Folks, night after night Canadian wolves are killing (not eating) your local elk herds. Don't let the elk go the way of the American Bison!!! Stop the carnage before it's to late! It's worse than you have been led to believe.
Jerry Wilson
Hey look another report of a Man being Killed By wolves in North america. Whoa I havent studdied wolves a lot but I can read and this was pretty recent folks adn.com | wolves : Alaska biologist certain wolves killed Canadian
Dont trust what they say when they dont tell the truth.
Alaska biologist certain wolves killed Canadian
PACK OF FOUR: Man was attacked, eaten in northern Saskatchewan.
The Associated Press
Published: November 21, 2007
Last Modified: November 21, 2007 at 06:17 PM
FAIRBANKS -- A Fairbanks wolf biologist testified at a recent Canadian coroner's inquest in what has been declared North America's first documented fatal attack by a wild, healthy wolf or wolves.

Originally Posted by Wingwiper

Idaho Dave and anyone else
Wolves have NEVER killed a human, in all of North America for the last 500 years. Research it and find me to be wrong. LIE, I researched it and found you to be wrong! So dont tell that lie around here again
Wolves ONLY kill what they need and do not kill for sport as does the Coyote. Wolves will bury the carcass and return to it, many weeks or even months later. LIE wolves dont do that it is a lie. animals run wolves chase then bite it is thier way. No kill left for months in any part of the wilderness i have ever been to is going to be there when you come back
Wolves were here before Livestock or Man and will be here long after our departure. so were mesquitoes so stop swatting them when they bite you
Wolves do NOT need to move over for a Farmer, the Farmer needs to learn to live with the Wolf. wolves dont eat farm stuff they hate corn and wheat. they eat ranchers stuff, and unless it can hide shoot or climb a tree anything else.
The TWO states with the Largest and Healthiest Deer herds are Minnesota and Wisconsin, they are also the TWO states with the largest and healthiest Wolf Packs. prove it
Wolves are like SOME humans in that they kill ONLY what they need. Some humans kill for thrills or for ego but not the Wolf. Wolves will kill the sick, lame or weak and through this practice they ensure the species they hunt will be more healthy and less apt to be killed off by sickness. BIGGEST LIE YOU CAN THINK OF TELLING BUT WE SPORTSMEN KNOW YOU ARE LYING wolves will dog thier healthy victim until it is weak, or over run it with numbers. I have seen with my own eyes. (see other entries I have made)
Wolves do more good than man does and leaves its enviroment better, man tries to imply they have a right to decide what is to live and what is to die and man destroys his enviroment. ALL creatures alter thier envorinment adapt, evolve or die and make way for what the earth has next
Wolves have been on Earth for about 35 million years, Man for about 2 million. BIG lie, come on did you really study or just cut and paste this from the first anti hunting site you found? the animals related to the wolf, the Hesperocyon, that were here 35 million years ago were small about the size of the raccon. The precursor to the prairie wolf of today evolved in North America between 4 and 2 million years ago. Dogs - facts dont lie I will check your facts
If you want to study a Proud and very Social animal, read about the Wolf. Wolves capable of pride? Really? you sir are an animal too. get over yourself.
Wolves do not need to be MANAGED because Man can not even manage his own checkbook. I do fine. Nature ( we are nature you fool you are not a god with a pony tail) has been controlling this planet for billions of years and been doing a might fine job, Man is who with his philosphies (like I should save the wolf cause man is bad philosophy?) and ideas have destroyed habitant (lots of animals have desimated thier ecosystem look most recetnly at the snow goose. do some real research sir and you will find it happening all the time, has happend in the past and will in the future with little need for man's intervention. Once you reach carrying capacity, and there is no management, bad things happen), Enviroment and enroached on Wildlife and then when wildlife comes to the backyard, it is suddenly MORE management needed. B.S. Wolves do more good than all of man (like protect themselves form extinction and aid the the plight of the spotted owl. Get over it dude man inst the enemy. the world is in constant state of change you arent making a difference). This country didn't have crazy European influence for millions of years and WILDLIFE was abundant Lie. most comonly accepted theories of the end of the myan and other early mezoamerica populations was over use of limited environmental resources including over hunting, yet you cant even tell where they lived in the jungle, it wasn't until the arrival of man and the Cattle and then the Sheep and then the Railroads. Man slaughtered Buffalo through his own ignorance and would do the same to every single animal, they had a notion about if they could. Wolves like man, hunt and kill it is what they do they arent smart enough to say hey lets not kill the pregnant ones and babies that are easy to kill. wolves hunt an area of prey, move on to preditors then hunt eachother look it up.
Deer are not here ONLY for Man's pleasure they are here for Natures reasoning.
I too, am a hunter but I am a Sportsman and try to keep balance and FAIR CHASE in my hunts. 8 wolves on one pregnant cow elk is your idea of fair chase? chewing the face off a calf eating the nose and genitals then leaving it for me to shoot to put it out of it's misery fair chase? but one man with a gun isnt? you sir make me laugh LOLOLO

They are a dog not a God

[Wingwiper]

Idaho Dave

I really don't know what you are trying to establish with your YOUTUBE videos.
In order for you to call what I said is wrong, you must have some wicked good evidence to reinforce your claims. Yes! Wolves hunt and YES! wolves kill, as they have for a very long time.

What is suppose to make Man different from animals is Man's ability to have reasoning and logic.

You are pretty free with your mouth, do you eat with the same mouth?

If you researched and found more than one human to have been killed by North American Wolves in the last 500 years, please share your resources, I am afraid you can not produce it. You have reference to the Canadian I gave reference to, and there is NO FACTUAL evidence that Wolves killed him. It was claimed at first to be Bears, for bears wer ein the area. Please get your facts straight. The only proof they had was footprints and what appeared to be stalking. Last I knew Wolves really didn't stalk, they chased in relays and nipped the heels and the neck. Then again. Maybe and I gave that doubt when I said ONE CANADIAN. You will not find any other proof of North America Wolves killing humans in the last 500 years.. Keep trying, try not to refernce the same story too many times.

You can study or you can assume. Your comparisions don't mean a thing they are rather empty.

No! I am not a LIAR, you are pretty free with your wrods and in so doing lost your credibility with me. I have nothing further to discuss with a young man who seems to think that Research is Lies and Assumptions are Facts. You wouldn't know how to have a Civil Discussion if it hit you square in the face.

Good Luck, Sir and Good day.



Lng Rng

You had a very good post and a very good civil counter post. I am sure we could all argue over this till the Sun burns out.

"Okay. You like to eat, don't you. Finding a balance is key, not telling the people that feed us to bend over, and take the losses."

Well! we could surely start by sending up to 30 million Illegal Aliens home. Many of the problems that occur seem to occur on Federal Leased land. I have no doubt there may be livestock killed on Privately owned land, but really whose land is it? When I plant a garden, I plant more than I need for I know I will lose some to Rabbits, to insects to Deer etc, I plant more than I need so after my losses I have what I need. There was also Federal Subsidized Money for those who can prove they have lost their livestock to Transplanted Wolves. As far as feeling for the Farmer, I do, a little, but not a whole lot, no more than I do for any other business and to me the Wolf, is the COST OF DOING BUSINESS. Many other businesses have shopplifting, embezzlements, fire etc as some of the many hazards, nature is something the Farmer chose to gamble with. SO if he can't gamble with Nature, time to pick a new business.