.308 or 7.62X51mm

twisterx44 · 03-03-2008, 01:23 PM

Hello,

I own an AR-15 but am looking to buy a long range bolt action rifle, in a larger caliber than .223, like a .308 or .30cal, something like that. I dont need an 800.00 rifle, I wouldnt wanna spend more than around 500.

Pretty new to bolt actions, but want to get into presicion shooting.

Any ideas? Personal favorites or reccomendations?

Thanks.

utahvarminter · 03-03-2008, 01:51 PM

Savage 10FP!!

mitch_mckee · 03-03-2008, 02:01 PM

Savage Arms Model 10FP

rfc357 · 03-03-2008, 04:18 PM

Lots of used .308s around. Find a nice one and don't pay too much.

I have four .308 bolt guns. Two Rugers, one Steyr, one Mossberg. Bought them used. Did not pay much. All MOA (or so) guns.

evilblackrifle · 03-03-2008, 04:31 PM

.308 or 30-06

twisterx44 · 03-03-2008, 06:24 PM

Does anyone have a specific gun to suggest that i could look at and research online? Make, Model, ect.?

mitch_mckee · 03-03-2008, 06:34 PM

Hit the link in my previous post.

billy · 03-03-2008, 06:44 PM

ive got a 10-fp.
i put a different stock and a scope.

well under 1 MOA

$560 after taxes ,shipping and such

closer to under 1/2MOA with handloads

twisterx44 · 03-03-2008, 07:21 PM

hmm that savage is enticing...but i want to put away a rifle including scope + rings for 500 or under. If i had my choice i'd take the remington 700 but those run in the 7 and 800's...

mitch_mckee · 03-03-2008, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by twisterx44

hmm that savage is enticing...but i want to put away a rifle including scope + rings for 500 or under. If i had my choice i'd take the remington 700 but those run in the 7 and 800's...

You are asking for two opposite things. There is nothing cheap about long range shooting (shooting 500m - 1,000 yds). Guys who are serious get thousands, even tens of thousands, into the game. The Savage is about the best you can get on the cheap end.

Having said that, the rifle is just a wall hanger with out a top quality scope. Many people spend far more on the scope than on the rifle.

My Savage cost about $400.00 in 2002. I put $450.00 in a Leupold scope, $80.00 in a Harris bipod, $80.00 in a Timney trigger, and a bit more in bedding, mounts, scope caps, sling, and cheek piece.

I've spent hundreds more on ammo.

I don't want to dissuade you, I just suggesting that you may not be ready for a long range target rifle. Why not get a .308 and learn to shoot it well out to 300 yards, gain experience in ranging and wind, and then upgrade.

I think it's a crawl before you walk issue. You can get a really nice 300 yard rifle with an adequate scope for $500 or so.

twisterx44 · 03-03-2008, 08:04 PM

...I never said I was shooting at 500+ yards...300 yards is plenty for me, your right the scope ends up being the real investment but I'm not shooting anymore than 350yds. That being said, do you have a good entry level rifle in mind? preferably .308

mitch_mckee · 03-03-2008, 08:16 PM

See, 300 yards is not long range.

The only option I see for getting you under $500 for a is a used gun. There are some Enfields out there in .308 cheap but they are rough compared to a new rifle.

twisterx44 · 03-03-2008, 08:22 PM

300 yards is longer than i am shooting currently, sorry for the misconception there. with My 16in AR15 with stock irons i can shoot about 150yds decently. I dunno if thats terrible, havent tried farther but you cant see much past that without a scope.

I'm just looking for a .30cal bolt action, surely I dont need to buy a used rifle to stay under 500.00?

just_a_car · 03-03-2008, 08:27 PM

If I recall correctly, our military folk are required to qualify out to 300 yards on irons... anyone with recent service able to substantiate that?

mitch_mckee · 03-03-2008, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twisterx44

300 yards is longer than i am shooting currently, sorry for the misconception there. with My 16in AR15 with stock irons i can shoot about 150yds decently. I dunno if thats terrible, havent tried farther but you cant see much past that without a scope.

I'm just looking for a .30cal bolt action, surely I dont need to buy a used rifle to stay under 500.00?

As far as I can find, there are no good, new .308 bolt guns under $500.

But wait! You already have a nice rifle easily capable of 300 yard shots!

I know little about the AR but I think you can get a heavy barrel upper and make that thing a 400 yard tack driver.

I know nothing of these people but it is an example of an option. AR Upper with heavy barrel for $395.00.

Del-Ton, Inc. AR-15 20" Custom Upper

and here:

24 Tactical - 5.56mm (shown with optional 4-rail handguard) [uh24tact5.56] - $445.00 : Ranger Sales LLC, Your Source for Military AR-15 Spec Rifle Parts and Kits!

twisterx44 · 03-03-2008, 08:36 PM

My AR-15 I am setting up in a tactical set up. I already have my eotech on the way, I don't want a heavy barrel on it. I use it for shooting while moving, standing, sometimes kneeling. I'm looking for a bolt action for a different purpose; prone shooting. Yes, i can prone shoot my ar15 and shoot good groupings at 300 yards, but I am looking to buy a bolt action to do that with.

Perhaps i should look into a milsurp rifle like a mauser or enfield...the only problem with the Kar98's is the 8mm ammo is horrendously expensive

Palladin8 · 03-03-2008, 08:39 PM

In the Army we had to qualify out to 300 meters with open sights. You shot at the "crazy Ivan" target which is from about the waist up. It is very easy to do.

billy · 03-03-2008, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twisterx44

hmm that savage is enticing...but i want to put away a rifle including scope + rings for 500 or under. If i had my choice i'd take the remington 700 but those run in the 7 and 800's...

if you are really REALLY lucky you might find something worth a hoot that has a scope for 500 bucks.
but i doubt it and it wont be new!

that savage ended up costing $1100

and thats a bottom feeder

twisterx44 · 03-03-2008, 08:43 PM

I believe you. Look, I know my rifle is well capable of 300+, but thats not what i am using it for. I want to shoot 300+, but with a bolt action and a larger round than a .223

billy · 03-03-2008, 08:46 PM

$230 for that mueller scope +$30 rings +$30 bases
thats a cheap scope
that still is quality
that doesnt leave much for a new rifle.

03-03-2008, 01:23 PM	#1
twisterx44 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: (SW) Portland, OR Posts: 406	.308 or 7.62X51mm Hello, I own an AR-15 but am looking to buy a long range bolt action rifle, in a larger caliber than .223, like a .308 or .30cal, something like that. I dont need an 800.00 rifle, I wouldnt wanna spend more than around 500. Pretty new to bolt actions, but want to get into presicion shooting. Any ideas? Personal favorites or reccomendations? Thanks.

03-03-2008, 01:51 PM	#2
utahvarminter Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Utah Posts: 487	Savage 10FP!! __________________ My Photo Album

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evilblackrifle Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 194	.308 or 30-06 __________________ The patriot's blood is the seed of Freedom's tree.

03-03-2008, 06:44 PM	#8
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 12,106 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	ive got a 10-fp. i put a different stock and a scope. well under 1 MOA $560 after taxes ,shipping and such closer to under 1/2MOA with handloads __________________ Last edited by billy; 03-03-2008 at 06:46 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

03-03-2008, 08:27 PM	#14
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,521	If I recall correctly, our military folk are required to qualify out to 300 yards on irons... anyone with recent service able to substantiate that? __________________

03-03-2008, 02:01 PM	#3
mitch_mckee Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 1,085 Images: 3	Savage Arms Model 10FP

03-03-2008, 04:18 PM	#4
rfc357 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 741	Lots of used .308s around. Find a nice one and don't pay too much. I have four .308 bolt guns. Two Rugers, one Steyr, one Mossberg. Bought them used. Did not pay much. All MOA (or so) guns.

03-03-2008, 06:24 PM	#6
twisterx44 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: (SW) Portland, OR Posts: 406	Does anyone have a specific gun to suggest that i could look at and research online? Make, Model, ect.?

03-03-2008, 06:34 PM	#7
mitch_mckee Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 1,085 Images: 3	Hit the link in my previous post.

03-03-2008, 07:21 PM	#9
twisterx44 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: (SW) Portland, OR Posts: 406	hmm that savage is enticing...but i want to put away a rifle including scope + rings for 500 or under. If i had my choice i'd take the remington 700 but those run in the 7 and 800's...

03-03-2008, 08:04 PM	#11
twisterx44 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: (SW) Portland, OR Posts: 406	...I never said I was shooting at 500+ yards...300 yards is plenty for me, your right the scope ends up being the real investment but I'm not shooting anymore than 350yds. That being said, do you have a good entry level rifle in mind? preferably .308

03-03-2008, 08:16 PM	#12
mitch_mckee Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 1,085 Images: 3	See, 300 yards is not long range. The only option I see for getting you under $500 for a is a used gun. There are some Enfields out there in .308 cheap but they are rough compared to a new rifle.

03-03-2008, 08:22 PM	#13
twisterx44 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: (SW) Portland, OR Posts: 406	300 yards is longer than i am shooting currently, sorry for the misconception there. with My 16in AR15 with stock irons i can shoot about 150yds decently. I dunno if thats terrible, havent tried farther but you cant see much past that without a scope. I'm just looking for a .30cal bolt action, surely I dont need to buy a used rifle to stay under 500.00?

03-03-2008, 08:36 PM	#16
twisterx44 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: (SW) Portland, OR Posts: 406	My AR-15 I am setting up in a tactical set up. I already have my eotech on the way, I don't want a heavy barrel on it. I use it for shooting while moving, standing, sometimes kneeling. I'm looking for a bolt action for a different purpose; prone shooting. Yes, i can prone shoot my ar15 and shoot good groupings at 300 yards, but I am looking to buy a bolt action to do that with. Perhaps i should look into a milsurp rifle like a mauser or enfield...the only problem with the Kar98's is the 8mm ammo is horrendously expensive

03-03-2008, 08:39 PM	#17
Palladin8 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 404	In the Army we had to qualify out to 300 meters with open sights. You shot at the "crazy Ivan" target which is from about the waist up. It is very easy to do.

03-03-2008, 08:43 PM	#19
twisterx44 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: (SW) Portland, OR Posts: 406	I believe you. Look, I know my rifle is well capable of 300+, but thats not what i am using it for. I want to shoot 300+, but with a bolt action and a larger round than a .223

03-03-2008, 08:46 PM	#20
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 12,106 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	$230 for that mueller scope +$30 rings +$30 bases thats a cheap scope that still is quality that doesnt leave much for a new rifle. __________________