3 day bug out kit

SpecOpOperator · 02-29-2008, 10:06 PM

Most of us here plan for long term bug-outs, but how much can you realistically carry if all hell breaks loose? I've compliled a 3 day bug out kit that is light weight and easily carried..

The weapons are:
M4 with holographic sight (BUIS are in the mail)
Walther P22 with threaded barrel (???)
Sig Sauer P220
The M4 has 10 magazines that I carry in a light load chest rig (in the sew shop right now being customized to hold 2 extra magazines)
The Walther has 5 ten round magazines with an extra 150 rounds in a small size stuff sack.
The Sig has 5 7 round magazines all carried on the chest rig...

The Maxpedition is a Jumbo Versipak with the following:
Home made survival kit (fishing line, hooks, matches, razors, TP, aspirin, bandaids) all in a waterproof small tackle box
More waterproof matches in a military type container with striker.
LED headlamp with 6 spare AAA batteries
Surefire 6P with 4 spare CR123 batteries
4 High Protein malt shakes (just add water)
4 CLIF bars
Benchmade straight edge blade
6 MRE toilet papers
100 ft of parachute cord
1 pair of wool socks

The MOLLE pack has the following:
Heavy duty emergency blanket (silver on one side and OD green on the other) rolled up in a small stuff sack with 6 bungee cords and 6 lightweight titanium tent stakes
light weight butane stove with 3 canisters
water purifier
matches in waterproof container with striker
2 pairs of wool socks
shemagh (large scarf)
surefire 6P with 4 extra batteries
Gerber Pack Axe with Saw
Leatherman
100 ft parachute cord
GPS
cleaning kit for firearms
Under Armor gloves and balaclava
camo face paint
toiletries (toothbrush, toothpaste, MRE TP, eye drops, and aspirin)
backpackers first aid kit
3 MRE's stripped down to crackers, spread and main meal..
Polypropolene top and bottom
Knife sharpener
disposable camera (i want proof of what i saw and how i survived)
homemade tin burner- corrugated cardboard tightly wrapped in a tuna can with parafin wax.. burns for hours and easy to put out

I know this sounds like a lot, but it actually only weighs about 50lbs with firearms.. I take this stuff out atleast once a month to the state land and hike about 10 miles with it to make sure my body can handle it.. I jog about 1 mile of it just to be prepared for a FAST bug-out..

Now I know that 3 days is just the tip of the iceburg, but that will get me going until I can "barter" for more needed items like food or shelter. Just thought I'd share this with you guys.....

mos19k · 03-01-2008, 10:46 PM

Looks like a good pack, I was glad to see at least 3 sets of socks, add foot powder and make sure your first aid kits have neosporin. Due to my Wife's allergy I make sure none of our kits have any iodine, it's replaced with rubbing alcohol or bleach depending on it's intended use. How do you carry your water I didn't see any water bladders or canteens? I may have missed it, if so I apologize. A good three day pack can sustain a skilled woodsman for an indefinite amount of time. In my case it'll sustain me just about three days, four if I'm near a Denny's.

P.S. Make sure you have at least one compass, two is better and a topo map of the area to back up your GPS in case it dies on you.

mitch_mckee · 03-02-2008, 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpecOpOperator

Most of us here plan for long term bug-outs, but how much can you realistically carry if all hell breaks loose? I've compliled a 3 day bug out kit that is light weight and easily carried..

The weapons are:
M4 with holographic sight (BUIS are in the mail)
Walther P22 with threaded barrel (???)
Sig Sauer P220
The M4 has 10 magazines that I carry in a light load chest rig (in the sew shop right now being customized to hold 2 extra magazines)
The Walther has 5 ten round magazines with an extra 150 rounds in a small size stuff sack.
The Sig has 5 7 round magazines all carried on the chest rig...

The Maxpedition is a Jumbo Versipak with the following:
Home made survival kit (fishing line, hooks, matches, razors, TP, aspirin, bandaids) all in a waterproof small tackle box
More waterproof matches in a military type container with striker.
LED headlamp with 6 spare AAA batteries
Surefire 6P with 4 spare CR123 batteries
4 High Protein malt shakes (just add water)
4 CLIF bars
Benchmade straight edge blade
6 MRE toilet papers
100 ft of parachute cord
1 pair of wool socks

The MOLLE pack has the following:
Heavy duty emergency blanket (silver on one side and OD green on the other) rolled up in a small stuff sack with 6 bungee cords and 6 lightweight titanium tent stakes
light weight butane stove with 3 canisters
water purifier
matches in waterproof container with striker
2 pairs of wool socks
shemagh (large scarf)
surefire 6P with 4 extra batteries
Gerber Pack Axe with Saw
Leatherman
100 ft parachute cord
GPS
cleaning kit for firearms
Under Armor gloves and balaclava
camo face paint
toiletries (toothbrush, toothpaste, MRE TP, eye drops, and aspirin)
backpackers first aid kit
3 MRE's stripped down to crackers, spread and main meal..
Polypropolene top and bottom
Knife sharpener
disposable camera (i want proof of what i saw and how i survived)
homemade tin burner- corrugated cardboard tightly wrapped in a tuna can with parafin wax.. burns for hours and easy to put out

I know this sounds like a lot, but it actually only weighs about 50lbs with firearms.. I take this stuff out atleast once a month to the state land and hike about 10 miles with it to make sure my body can handle it.. I jog about 1 mile of it just to be prepared for a FAST bug-out..

Now I know that 3 days is just the tip of the iceburg, but that will get me going until I can "barter" for more needed items like food or shelter. Just thought I'd share this with you guys.....

I suggest lightening up on the cooking gear. Here is a link for a "soda can stove". We have made dozens and they work better than anything you can find. Fueled with denat alchohol the stove weighs less than an ounce, is very fuel efficient, and if you tear it up, all the materials required is an aluminum soda or beer can.

Beverage-can stove - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Use the remainder of your weight savings in denat and you will have lots more burn time.

Why two handguns? That is an excellent combat rifle and two pistols seems redundant.I might consider swapping for a Henry survival instead.

If you think that you will be in the sticks for a long while, a decent, polyester sleeping bag and foam sleeping pad are invaluable. Sure, in the short haul, you can get by sleeping on a rock but to maintain better energy and alertness, I'd upgrade the sleeping system, no matter the extra weight.

You might add a box of liferaft rations. Couldn't hurt.

Thanks for the interesting post.

SpecOpOperator · 03-02-2008, 02:55 AM

Sorry, I forgot to show the water: My chest rig will carry 2 nalgene bottles and I have a camel back in the pack.. (it has it's own pouch)

As far as 2 pistols, the .22 is for small things that don't require the .45 or 5.56... never know, but a .45 or rifle round is a little large for squirrels, rabbits, etc...

Sleeping system and lightening the load are great ideas, but at the end my post you will see I put that this load will get me by for a few days until I can aquire more supplies...(meaning, I will find, fight for, take, whatever it takes etc) to get more supplies to last the long haul...

Thanks for the suggestions though guys.. I will check out the soda can kit.. sounds interesting

Skat · 03-02-2008, 02:20 PM

Hey, I actually have thought about what I'd do if if the $hit hit the fan but never really made a kit. Not a bad idea, pricey but, still.

Just thought I'd post my opinion about the .22. Id definitely take it. Long term that will keep you alive. Easily carry 1000 rounds, giving you plenty for hunting. .22 can kill ANYTHING. There was a crazy safari hunter that used to use it on elephant. Guess what it worked. Poachers use it nowadays over there also. If nothing else, atleast you will have something.

Second... and just thought about this. Instead of a disposable camera id get a digital. You've already put this much money into mind as well. Get an older one or used on ebay. More shots, probably smaller, only thing is battery life. Actually could go either way I guess.

Anyhow. Awesome post and got me thinking what I'd do and bring. Know where you'd go?
Thanks

-Skat

BlastMagnet · 03-02-2008, 03:01 PM

That's a mighty fine rig you've got there Spec. I'm more of a Bug-In kinda guy but if I had to do some runnin' I'd want a set up like that. Good post!

SpecOpOperator · 03-02-2008, 05:03 PM

Thanks guys... I live in a small college town, so I would definitely want to get out of town if all heck breaks loose.. I don't want a bunch of college kids coming my way.. I have some old mine shafts that my dad have set up for just the occasion.. I know I know, mine shafts are unsafe, but the ones that we have, we've re-enforced the main shafts (hauling 2x4's up a hill was not fun).. We've also started to cache some things up there, but not much.. closest town is about 45 miles and you pretty much have to know where exactly to look to find them.. easily defendable too.. there's enough room for about 4 families with kids to live in these...

As far as the digital vs disposable, I have a small digital too.. I just didn't put it in my post... My camera goes EVERYWHERE with me, so it's not always in my kit...

Price wise: I've actually kept it pretty cheap over time.. Alot of the survival gear is older or homemade (I forgot to add that I have two compasses in there, one military one and one on a whistle/keychain: thanks for reminding me Mos19K) The M4 was built by me keeping the cost WAY down.. But like I said, I built this over the years so out of pocket didn't cost to much right away..

Thanks again for the replies and suggestions.. all have been noted...

Skat · 03-02-2008, 06:22 PM

Just food for thought but.. have you seen the newish Mossberg Just in Case shotgun? I recently got a Gander Mountain Ad in the mail and it had a picture of it. 12 gauge shotgun with a pistol grip. (No long stock) Comes packaged in a watertight tube. Looks pretty neat. That would be cool to stash somewhere...

O.F. Mossberg & Sons, Inc. - Firearms, Shotguns, Rifles, Accessories, and Precision Machining

I'm not saying you need it. Just asking for opinions of it.

Thanks

-Skat

mitch_mckee · 03-02-2008, 07:21 PM

I have that shotgun. Mine came with both a pistol grip and full stock. It's a real good shotgun but I hate shooting a 12 gauge with a pistol grip. Hard to aim and I don't feel like I have good control.

SpecOpOperator · 03-02-2008, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Skat

Just food for thought but.. have you seen the newish Mossberg Just in Case shotgun? I recently got a Gander Mountain Ad in the mail and it had a picture of it. 12 gauge shotgun with a pistol grip. (No long stock) Comes packaged in a watertight tube. Looks pretty neat. That would be cool to stash somewhere...

O.F. Mossberg & Sons, Inc. - Firearms, Shotguns, Rifles, Accessories, and Precision Machining

I'm not saying you need it. Just asking for opinions of it.

Thanks

-Skat

i'll have to check that out.. i've been wanting a 12 gauge for awhile, but I had to wait until I got done building the M4.. that will be my next purchase though...

just_a_car · 03-03-2008, 06:34 AM

SOO, sounds like you're over on the East Side. You ever get over to the "liberal" side of the mountains much? If so, we should arrange to go shooting sometime and/or lunch/coffee.

SwedeSteve · 03-03-2008, 08:09 AM

Jus one small point. By "stripping" your MRE's you are robbing yourself of needed calories. MRE's were designed to provide you sufficient calories to burn in an exhaustive environment. You get these by eating the whole MRE.

SpecOpOperator · 03-03-2008, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

Jus one small point. By "stripping" your MRE's you are robbing yourself of needed calories. MRE's were designed to provide you sufficient calories to burn in an exhaustive environment. You get these by eating the whole MRE.

Well, seems the only thing I got rid of was the Kool-Aid packet, the coffee, the candy or chocolate, and the bulky cardboard and wrapping, I'm not robbing myself of anything but weight and room.. The protein malt shakes I carry have plenty of calories in them also.. Trust me, I've been stripping MRE's in the military for years, and never got "bogged" down by starving the calories out of my diet...

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Originally Posted by just_a_car

SOO, sounds like you're over on the East Side. You ever get over to the "liberal" side of the mountains much? If so, we should arrange to go shooting sometime and/or lunch/coffee.

I grew up over on that side of the mountains and can't stand it (no offense) just too much traffic, high cost of living, and population... I make it over there every so often for family business (Port Townsend, Snohomish, and Tacoma) but I like to stay over here with the rednecks and farmers.. they grasp the whole sport shooting, hunting, and gun collecting alot better... I'd love to go shooting with some fellow board members though...

just_a_car · 03-03-2008, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SpecOpOperator

I grew up over on that side of the mountains and can't stand it (no offense) just too much traffic, high cost of living, and population... I make it over there every so often for family business (Port Townsend, Snohomish, and Tacoma) but I like to stay over here with the rednecks and farmers.. they grasp the whole sport shooting, hunting, and gun collecting alot better... I'd love to go shooting with some fellow board members though...

Awesome, well, just send me a PM when you're going to be out this way (Snohomish would be easiest for me, due to being in Edmonds) and we can work something out.

I have the same attitude towards the people and the traffic, but the weather really makes it hard to like it over there more than here. I can't stand extreme hot and cold; I likes me some temperate goodness.

SwedeSteve · 03-03-2008, 07:31 PM

You are correct, I forgot you had additional supplements. But when all you get is one MRE a day, you need to eat it all. I agree with stripping them down to lose the paper products, and to reduce bulk.

SpecOpOperator · 03-04-2008, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by just_a_car

Awesome, well, just send me a PM when you're going to be out this way (Snohomish would be easiest for me, due to being in Edmonds) and we can work something out.

I have the same attitude towards the people and the traffic, but the weather really makes it hard to like it over there more than here. I can't stand extreme hot and cold; I likes me some temperate goodness.

I totally agree.. I would love to live in the Port Angales (sp) area or Port Townsend.. get away from most of the traffic and people.. I tried getting a job over there, but they didn't want to give me the hours I wanted.. maybe someday....... I will definitely PM you next time I'm over that way

just_a_car · 03-04-2008, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by SpecOpOperator

I totally agree.. I would love to live in the Port Angales (sp) area or Port Townsend.. get away from most of the traffic and people.. I tried getting a job over there, but they didn't want to give me the hours I wanted.. maybe someday....... I will definitely PM you next time I'm over that way

Sweet. At least, for the most part, the liberals over here are "gun-toting liberals", as quoted by two of the same that are friends of mine. It's kind of surprising how pro-gun some of our legislation is with the amount of granola-munchers we have in the state and especially in the state capitol.

Oh, and not to totally hijack this thread... I intend on bugging-in. No way I'd be able to carry enough ammo and such around these parts. Plus, W. Washington is just too urban to find anywhere to 'get away' from society.

SpecOpOperator · 03-04-2008, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by just_a_car

Sweet. At least, for the most part, the liberals over here are "gun-toting liberals", as quoted by two of the same that are friends of mine. It's kind of surprising how pro-gun some of our legislation is with the amount of granola-munchers we have in the state and especially in the state capitol.

Oh, and not to totally hijack this thread... I intend on bugging-in. No way I'd be able to carry enough ammo and such around these parts. Plus, W. Washington is just too urban to find anywhere to 'get away' from society.

Well, IMO, society is the best place to bug out with a light load.. that means there is plenty of supplies to "pick up" on your way out of town.. that is the whole meaning behind my bug out bags.. I will aquire any additional items needed while on my way or after I get there.. I figure that if a true SHTF happens, all is fair game, especially if someone takes the first pop shot at me.. then I will have to take their gear...

BaserRonin · 03-04-2008, 01:49 PM

For fire starter's I also keep balls of dryer lint soaked in Candle Wax or Vaseline. The candle wax soaked balls burn for a long time, and the Vaseline soaked ones are excellent for wet conditions; you can light one and throw it in the snow, it will keep burning. They are light, small, and reliable. I keep several in my go-bag (bugout kit) and hunting gear.

mitch_mckee · 03-04-2008, 04:09 PM

Question:

I've noticed that on several occasions that you have mentioned "picking up" or "just taking" what you need in bugout mode.

I'm sure that you are aware that stealing and murder are always wrong, even in an emergency. In addition, farmers and ranchers are pretty well able to fend for themselves and looters, thieves, or raiders get summarily shot.

It may not be a good survival strategy to plan on thievery from the locals to get you by.

02-29-2008, 10:06 PM	#1
SpecOpOperator Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Washington Posts: 57	3 day bug out kit Most of us here plan for long term bug-outs, but how much can you realistically carry if all hell breaks loose? I've compliled a 3 day bug out kit that is light weight and easily carried.. The weapons are: M4 with holographic sight (BUIS are in the mail) Walther P22 with threaded barrel (???) Sig Sauer P220 The M4 has 10 magazines that I carry in a light load chest rig (in the sew shop right now being customized to hold 2 extra magazines) The Walther has 5 ten round magazines with an extra 150 rounds in a small size stuff sack. The Sig has 5 7 round magazines all carried on the chest rig... The Maxpedition is a Jumbo Versipak with the following: Home made survival kit (fishing line, hooks, matches, razors, TP, aspirin, bandaids) all in a waterproof small tackle box More waterproof matches in a military type container with striker. LED headlamp with 6 spare AAA batteries Surefire 6P with 4 spare CR123 batteries 4 High Protein malt shakes (just add water) 4 CLIF bars Benchmade straight edge blade 6 MRE toilet papers 100 ft of parachute cord 1 pair of wool socks The MOLLE pack has the following: Heavy duty emergency blanket (silver on one side and OD green on the other) rolled up in a small stuff sack with 6 bungee cords and 6 lightweight titanium tent stakes light weight butane stove with 3 canisters water purifier matches in waterproof container with striker 2 pairs of wool socks shemagh (large scarf) surefire 6P with 4 extra batteries Gerber Pack Axe with Saw Leatherman 100 ft parachute cord GPS cleaning kit for firearms Under Armor gloves and balaclava camo face paint toiletries (toothbrush, toothpaste, MRE TP, eye drops, and aspirin) backpackers first aid kit 3 MRE's stripped down to crackers, spread and main meal.. Polypropolene top and bottom Knife sharpener disposable camera (i want proof of what i saw and how i survived) homemade tin burner- corrugated cardboard tightly wrapped in a tuna can with parafin wax.. burns for hours and easy to put out I know this sounds like a lot, but it actually only weighs about 50lbs with firearms.. I take this stuff out atleast once a month to the state land and hike about 10 miles with it to make sure my body can handle it.. I jog about 1 mile of it just to be prepared for a FAST bug-out.. Now I know that 3 days is just the tip of the iceburg, but that will get me going until I can "barter" for more needed items like food or shelter. Just thought I'd share this with you guys..... __________________ Not a Survivalist, but a Survivor

03-01-2008, 10:46 PM	#2
mos19k Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Miami, Fl. Posts: 330	Looks like a good pack, I was glad to see at least 3 sets of socks, add foot powder and make sure your first aid kits have neosporin. Due to my Wife's allergy I make sure none of our kits have any iodine, it's replaced with rubbing alcohol or bleach depending on it's intended use. How do you carry your water I didn't see any water bladders or canteens? I may have missed it, if so I apologize. A good three day pack can sustain a skilled woodsman for an indefinite amount of time. In my case it'll sustain me just about three days, four if I'm near a Denny's. P.S. Make sure you have at least one compass, two is better and a topo map of the area to back up your GPS in case it dies on you. Last edited by mos19k; 03-01-2008 at 10:49 PM.

03-02-2008, 02:55 AM	#4
SpecOpOperator Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Washington Posts: 57	Sorry, I forgot to show the water: My chest rig will carry 2 nalgene bottles and I have a camel back in the pack.. (it has it's own pouch) As far as 2 pistols, the .22 is for small things that don't require the .45 or 5.56... never know, but a .45 or rifle round is a little large for squirrels, rabbits, etc... Sleeping system and lightening the load are great ideas, but at the end my post you will see I put that this load will get me by for a few days until I can aquire more supplies...(meaning, I will find, fight for, take, whatever it takes etc) to get more supplies to last the long haul... Thanks for the suggestions though guys.. I will check out the soda can kit.. sounds interesting __________________ Not a Survivalist, but a Survivor

03-02-2008, 05:03 PM	#7
SpecOpOperator Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Washington Posts: 57	Thanks guys... I live in a small college town, so I would definitely want to get out of town if all heck breaks loose.. I don't want a bunch of college kids coming my way.. I have some old mine shafts that my dad have set up for just the occasion.. I know I know, mine shafts are unsafe, but the ones that we have, we've re-enforced the main shafts (hauling 2x4's up a hill was not fun).. We've also started to cache some things up there, but not much.. closest town is about 45 miles and you pretty much have to know where exactly to look to find them.. easily defendable too.. there's enough room for about 4 families with kids to live in these... As far as the digital vs disposable, I have a small digital too.. I just didn't put it in my post... My camera goes EVERYWHERE with me, so it's not always in my kit... Price wise: I've actually kept it pretty cheap over time.. Alot of the survival gear is older or homemade (I forgot to add that I have two compasses in there, one military one and one on a whistle/keychain: thanks for reminding me Mos19K) The M4 was built by me keeping the cost WAY down.. But like I said, I built this over the years so out of pocket didn't cost to much right away.. Thanks again for the replies and suggestions.. all have been noted... __________________ Not a Survivalist, but a Survivor

03-03-2008, 06:34 AM	#11
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,635	SOO, sounds like you're over on the East Side. You ever get over to the "liberal" side of the mountains much? If so, we should arrange to go shooting sometime and/or lunch/coffee. __________________

03-02-2008, 02:20 PM	#5
Skat Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 70	Hey, I actually have thought about what I'd do if if the $hit hit the fan but never really made a kit. Not a bad idea, pricey but, still. Just thought I'd post my opinion about the .22. Id definitely take it. Long term that will keep you alive. Easily carry 1000 rounds, giving you plenty for hunting. .22 can kill ANYTHING. There was a crazy safari hunter that used to use it on elephant. Guess what it worked. Poachers use it nowadays over there also. If nothing else, atleast you will have something. Second... and just thought about this. Instead of a disposable camera id get a digital. You've already put this much money into mind as well. Get an older one or used on ebay. More shots, probably smaller, only thing is battery life. Actually could go either way I guess. Anyhow. Awesome post and got me thinking what I'd do and bring. Know where you'd go? Thanks -Skat

03-02-2008, 03:01 PM	#6
BlastMagnet Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Somewhere in N.C Posts: 15	That's a mighty fine rig you've got there Spec. I'm more of a Bug-In kinda guy but if I had to do some runnin' I'd want a set up like that. Good post!

03-02-2008, 06:22 PM	#8
Skat Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 70	Just food for thought but.. have you seen the newish Mossberg Just in Case shotgun? I recently got a Gander Mountain Ad in the mail and it had a picture of it. 12 gauge shotgun with a pistol grip. (No long stock) Comes packaged in a watertight tube. Looks pretty neat. That would be cool to stash somewhere... O.F. Mossberg & Sons, Inc. - Firearms, Shotguns, Rifles, Accessories, and Precision Machining I'm not saying you need it. Just asking for opinions of it. Thanks -Skat

03-02-2008, 07:21 PM	#9
mitch_mckee Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 1,085 Images: 3	I have that shotgun. Mine came with both a pistol grip and full stock. It's a real good shotgun but I hate shooting a 12 gauge with a pistol grip. Hard to aim and I don't feel like I have good control.

03-03-2008, 08:09 AM	#12
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 12,158 Images: 1	Jus one small point. By "stripping" your MRE's you are robbing yourself of needed calories. MRE's were designed to provide you sufficient calories to burn in an exhaustive environment. You get these by eating the whole MRE. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

03-03-2008, 07:31 PM	#15
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 12,158 Images: 1	You are correct, I forgot you had additional supplements. But when all you get is one MRE a day, you need to eat it all. I agree with stripping them down to lose the paper products, and to reduce bulk. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

03-04-2008, 01:49 PM	#19
BaserRonin Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: In a Dark Cubicle Posts: 371	For fire starter's I also keep balls of dryer lint soaked in Candle Wax or Vaseline. The candle wax soaked balls burn for a long time, and the Vaseline soaked ones are excellent for wet conditions; you can light one and throw it in the snow, it will keep burning. They are light, small, and reliable. I keep several in my go-bag (bugout kit) and hunting gear.

03-04-2008, 04:09 PM	#20
mitch_mckee Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 1,085 Images: 3	Question: I've noticed that on several occasions that you have mentioned "picking up" or "just taking" what you need in bugout mode. I'm sure that you are aware that stealing and murder are always wrong, even in an emergency. In addition, farmers and ranchers are pretty well able to fend for themselves and looters, thieves, or raiders get summarily shot. It may not be a good survival strategy to plan on thievery from the locals to get you by.