Question about M39 bolt

texnmidwest · 03-03-2008, 07:33 AM

Just wanted to get the group to weigh in on this one.

I cleaned up my M39 Sako. Noticed that the bolt was a little rougher than before I started cleaning. Took the bolt apart. Cleaned it well with mineral spirits. Lubed it lightly, and reassembled. Still rough. Took the rifle apart. cleaned the entire action with gun scrubber followed by WD40 and hoppe's. Then hand buffed the bolt parts with a green scotch brite pad. The issue is better but the bolt will close just fine. And with out lowering the striker it will open relatively easily. If I lower the striker however the bolt will open to the point to where the cocking mechanism is about to lock back and then it gets really hard to open. I checked to see if the firing pin was bent and it looked OK but I am not a gunsmith nor do I play one on TV. It seems to me that there is a burr or something right at that point of the lock. Will post pics of the bolt when I get off work. The bolt does look like it has been through a war. But it does match the receiver. The rest of the rifle looks great!

Any Ideas?

GlockMeister · 03-03-2008, 07:36 AM

Did the bolt get tweaked at all?

texnmidwest · 03-03-2008, 07:43 AM

Not to my knowledge. Comes apart easily. Goes back together nicely. Like I said. The out side does look like a WW2 combat bolt but as tough as those things are they look solid. The only thing I can think of is that maybe there is soemthing in the firing pin channel . I blew that out with gun scrubber and still nothing. Hmmm.

toolman · 03-03-2008, 07:52 AM

Try polishing and lubing the cocking cam area of the bolt and cocking piece.

SwedeSteve · 03-03-2008, 09:35 AM

^+1! Also look at polishing inside of receiver.

Mooseman684 · 03-03-2008, 10:07 AM

Question...Whenyou re-assembled the bolt did you use the guage on the screwdriver and set the firing pin protrusion properly ???
Rich

SwedeSteve · 03-03-2008, 10:08 AM

EDIT: Also check the bolt guide/connecting bar.

texnmidwest · 03-03-2008, 06:23 PM

Rich, I think that may be one of the issues. I used the gauge and even with it all the way tight the pin is still too high.

Steve, I checked the bolt guide connector bar and it looks OK. The receiver feels smooth to the touch. I am thinking about seeing if one of my other bolts will close and see if it is the bolt of something else.

Thanks for the input everyone.

SwedeSteve · 03-03-2008, 09:05 PM

Good Idea Tex! I am wondering, like moose about the firing pin, and also if the bolt head was swapped?

Mooseman684 · 03-04-2008, 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by texnmidwest

Rich, I think that may be one of the issues. I used the gauge and even with it all the way tight the pin is still too high.
Steve, I checked the bolt guide connector bar and it looks OK. The receiver feels smooth to the touch. I am thinking about seeing if one of my other bolts will close and see if it is the bolt of something else.
Thanks for the input everyone.

Well you could mail it to me for inspection and repair, I would do it free of charge , just cover the postage...
Rich

texnmidwest · 03-04-2008, 06:19 AM

Thanks Moose. That is a very generous offer. Let me see if I can get it better with out bothering you. Would you need the entire rifle or just the bolt?

Tex

Mooseman684 · 03-04-2008, 10:24 AM

Just need the bolt...I have lots of parts if necessary, and I can use one of my m39's to test fit...I'm more concerned about your firing pin protrusion...
It needs to be within specs.
Rich

marion57 · 03-05-2008, 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by texnmidwest

Rich, I think that may be one of the issues. I used the gauge and even with it all the way tight the pin is still too high.

Steve, I checked the bolt guide connector bar and it looks OK. The receiver feels smooth to the touch. I am thinking about seeing if one of my other bolts will close and see if it is the bolt of something else.

Thanks for the input everyone.

Tex
I think if it is still to high You have a problem I think like mooseman I would be checking that!!something isnt right! send it to mooseman you wont get a better deal than Free LOL

texnmidwest · 03-05-2008, 06:24 AM

Marion I came to the conclusion that I need a gunsmith as well.

marion57 · 03-05-2008, 09:43 AM

keep us posted Tex I never seen a firing pin in a mosin that couldnt be adusted unless it had cosmo in it
possible the firing pin is bent tho !!
Take it out and rol it on a flat surface is it wobbles its bent

toolman · 03-05-2008, 07:48 PM

I can't see a bent firing pin working and then all of a sudden not working after cleaning. There is a very simple test to eliminate a bent or binding pin-with the pin in the fired position, pull back on the cocking knob and see if you can cock it by hand. If you can, the prob. lies somewhere else.

texnmidwest · 03-05-2008, 08:46 PM

Yep, can cock it by hand. Even tried one of the other firing pins from my other Mosins. Still doesn't come into spec. I am in contact with a gunsmith and will have him take a look see. I did find something interesting though. I took apart my Hungarian mosin bolt and compared the firing pin from the M44 Hungarian and the Finn. The M44 has a slightly smaller collar and threads that are different. Over all length is slightly shorter than the finn firing pin. Tried the M44 pin and it didn't come with in spec either. So, I think it is time for an expert.

Will let you all know what I find out.

toolman · 03-05-2008, 10:07 PM

I still think the problem lies in the final "step" of the cocking cam. If you look at the underside of the bolt, you'll see an angled portion of the bolt and a corresponding angle on the cocking piece. If you work the bolt by hand, you'll see that there's a small flat spot about 1\16"-1\8" that the cocking piece rests upon when the handle is raised. There is a lot of pressure on this cocking cam and any little burr in this area will cause it to hang up. It's been my experience that a buildup of cosmoline in this area actually smooths the cocking action and when removed, can make it bind.

marion57 · 03-06-2008, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toolman

I can't see a bent firing pin working and then all of a sudden not working after cleaning. There is a very simple test to eliminate a bent or binding pin-with the pin in the fired position, pull back on the cocking knob and see if you can cock it by hand. If you can, the prob. lies somewhere else.

Thanx tool man never thought about doing that but makes good sense

Mooseman684 · 03-06-2008, 01:11 AM

I'm gonna Inspect/ repair? and adjust it for Him as soon as it gets here...
Rich

03-03-2008, 07:33 AM	#1
texnmidwest Listen to yur Inner Hippo Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 3,464	Question about M39 bolt Just wanted to get the group to weigh in on this one. I cleaned up my M39 Sako. Noticed that the bolt was a little rougher than before I started cleaning. Took the bolt apart. Cleaned it well with mineral spirits. Lubed it lightly, and reassembled. Still rough. Took the rifle apart. cleaned the entire action with gun scrubber followed by WD40 and hoppe's. Then hand buffed the bolt parts with a green scotch brite pad. The issue is better but the bolt will close just fine. And with out lowering the striker it will open relatively easily. If I lower the striker however the bolt will open to the point to where the cocking mechanism is about to lock back and then it gets really hard to open. I checked to see if the firing pin was bent and it looked OK but I am not a gunsmith nor do I play one on TV. It seems to me that there is a burr or something right at that point of the lock. Will post pics of the bolt when I get off work. The bolt does look like it has been through a war. But it does match the receiver. The rest of the rifle looks great! Any Ideas? __________________ "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (If all else fails play dead)

03-03-2008, 07:36 AM	#2
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 5,513	Did the bolt get tweaked at all? __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

03-03-2008, 07:43 AM	#3
texnmidwest Listen to yur Inner Hippo Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 3,464	Not to my knowledge. Comes apart easily. Goes back together nicely. Like I said. The out side does look like a WW2 combat bolt but as tough as those things are they look solid. The only thing I can think of is that maybe there is soemthing in the firing pin channel . I blew that out with gun scrubber and still nothing. Hmmm. __________________ "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (If all else fails play dead)

03-03-2008, 07:52 AM	#4
toolman Mr. Fixit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 5,582 Blog Entries: 22	Try polishing and lubing the cocking cam area of the bolt and cocking piece. __________________ Don't be messin' with my gun!

03-03-2008, 09:35 AM	#5
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 10,400 Images: 1	^+1! Also look at polishing inside of receiver. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

03-03-2008, 10:07 AM	#6
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,700 Images: 2	Question...Whenyou re-assembled the bolt did you use the guage on the screwdriver and set the firing pin protrusion properly ??? Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

03-03-2008, 10:08 AM	#7
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 10,400 Images: 1	EDIT: Also check the bolt guide/connecting bar. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

03-03-2008, 06:23 PM	#8
texnmidwest Listen to yur Inner Hippo Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 3,464	Rich, I think that may be one of the issues. I used the gauge and even with it all the way tight the pin is still too high. Steve, I checked the bolt guide connector bar and it looks OK. The receiver feels smooth to the touch. I am thinking about seeing if one of my other bolts will close and see if it is the bolt of something else. Thanks for the input everyone. __________________ "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (If all else fails play dead)

03-03-2008, 09:05 PM	#9
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 10,400 Images: 1	Good Idea Tex! I am wondering, like moose about the firing pin, and also if the bolt head was swapped? __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

03-04-2008, 06:19 AM	#11
texnmidwest Listen to yur Inner Hippo Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 3,464	Thanks Moose. That is a very generous offer. Let me see if I can get it better with out bothering you. Would you need the entire rifle or just the bolt? Tex __________________ "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (If all else fails play dead)

03-04-2008, 10:24 AM	#12
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,700 Images: 2	Just need the bolt...I have lots of parts if necessary, and I can use one of my m39's to test fit...I'm more concerned about your firing pin protrusion... It needs to be within specs. Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

03-05-2008, 06:24 AM	#14
texnmidwest Listen to yur Inner Hippo Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 3,464	Marion I came to the conclusion that I need a gunsmith as well. __________________ "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (If all else fails play dead)

03-05-2008, 09:43 AM	#15
marion57 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,885	keep us posted Tex I never seen a firing pin in a mosin that couldnt be adusted unless it had cosmo in it possible the firing pin is bent tho !! Take it out and rol it on a flat surface is it wobbles its bent

03-05-2008, 07:48 PM	#16
toolman Mr. Fixit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 5,582 Blog Entries: 22	I can't see a bent firing pin working and then all of a sudden not working after cleaning. There is a very simple test to eliminate a bent or binding pin-with the pin in the fired position, pull back on the cocking knob and see if you can cock it by hand. If you can, the prob. lies somewhere else. __________________ Don't be messin' with my gun!

03-05-2008, 08:46 PM	#17
texnmidwest Listen to yur Inner Hippo Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 3,464	Yep, can cock it by hand. Even tried one of the other firing pins from my other Mosins. Still doesn't come into spec. I am in contact with a gunsmith and will have him take a look see. I did find something interesting though. I took apart my Hungarian mosin bolt and compared the firing pin from the M44 Hungarian and the Finn. The M44 has a slightly smaller collar and threads that are different. Over all length is slightly shorter than the finn firing pin. Tried the M44 pin and it didn't come with in spec either. So, I think it is time for an expert. Will let you all know what I find out. __________________ "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (If all else fails play dead)

03-05-2008, 10:07 PM	#18
toolman Mr. Fixit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 5,582 Blog Entries: 22	I still think the problem lies in the final "step" of the cocking cam. If you look at the underside of the bolt, you'll see an angled portion of the bolt and a corresponding angle on the cocking piece. If you work the bolt by hand, you'll see that there's a small flat spot about 1\16"-1\8" that the cocking piece rests upon when the handle is raised. There is a lot of pressure on this cocking cam and any little burr in this area will cause it to hang up. It's been my experience that a buildup of cosmoline in this area actually smooths the cocking action and when removed, can make it bind. __________________ Don't be messin' with my gun!

03-06-2008, 01:11 AM	#20
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,700 Images: 2	I'm gonna Inspect/ repair? and adjust it for Him as soon as it gets here... Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!