Fake or Real Rotary Safety

Derf · 03-02-2008, 12:30 AM

I bought an Inland rotary safety online and recieved this. It has an EI stamped over a post war insignia. Did Inland do this, or did someone build a bogus safety? The pics are fairly clear, and it is freshly parked. Comments Please. Thanks
Derf

GlockMeister · 03-02-2008, 12:40 AM

What pics? Or did you put them as an attachment? Let me check? lol Yep, an attachment. lol

It may be the stamp of the company that imported it or inspected it, or both? May have put it over the other just to not have it stamped all over? That part may only be able to be stamped in that spot? And in looking at both pics, it looked like in one pic it was facing to the left with one stamp on it and in the other "large" pic, it was facing to the right, and that side or pic had one stamp over another? Or is that pics of 2 different pieces?

If I'm wrong, someone will let us both know and someone will let you know either way as well, if anyone that reads this/looks at your pics and knows....

Mooseman684 · 03-02-2008, 12:51 AM

I don't know why someone would want to "Fake" a safety...Jimb2 is the man to ask on this one!
Rich

Derf · 03-02-2008, 01:09 PM

Just to clairify, the the two pics are front and back, or both sides of the the same piece. These are relatively inexpensive, and the cost doesn't matter. I'm just trying to keep my guns correct. Thanks for the input.
Derf

jimb2 · 03-02-2008, 11:05 PM

Derf???What marking is the E.I. stamped over? There are several that were once believed to be post WWII that have recently been found to be WWII production for upgrades. Some have markings on both sides as the parts were transfered to another company for use when their supplies got low. It could very well be a real item.

GlockMeister · 03-02-2008, 11:10 PM

hey jimb2, I think it is the EI stamp is over the same one on the other side. Isn't the stamp on both sides the same and then the EI was put over the one on the one side?

If you didn't see his pictures, he has them as an attachment in the M1 carbine forum. Here, maybe this will work. If so, these are his pictures...

Hope that helps the guy out to get an answer...

jimb2 · 03-02-2008, 11:43 PM

I believe that is made by William Stiemen Co. I may have the spelling wrong. I'm pretty sure they produced upgrade parts during the later stages of WWII. So transfer of some safeties to Eaton Pond (E.I.) woun't be unusual. A number of similar transfers took place.

Derf · 03-05-2008, 01:21 AM

Ok jimb2, Now I'm impressed. Is this info in some publication, or did you just dredge it up from deep in your grey matter? Is the E. I. a reference to Inland, Or Eaton Pond. Or was Eaton Pond a subcontractor to Inland? Trivial I know, but fun to know. Thanks for all the replies. I'll see if I can come up with a new M1 brain twister for you all.
Cheers. Derf

jimb2 · 03-06-2008, 08:20 PM

Eaton Pond was a subcontractor, but they made parts for several carbine manufacturers. The E.I. indicates that the part was made for Inland rather than one of the other manufacturers. I've been collecting carbines for probably 20 years. This kind of info is sometimes found in books or in carbine club news letters. Sometimes it is word of mouth within the carbine circles. Hard to say exactly what the source was, but trivia like that tends to rattle around in my head like a BB in a boxcar.....every now and then some of it gets out! Gotta learn to shut the door! *LOL*

03-02-2008, 12:40 AM	#2
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 5,411	What pics? Or did you put them as an attachment? Let me check? lol Yep, an attachment. lol It may be the stamp of the company that imported it or inspected it, or both? May have put it over the other just to not have it stamped all over? That part may only be able to be stamped in that spot? And in looking at both pics, it looked like in one pic it was facing to the left with one stamp on it and in the other "large" pic, it was facing to the right, and that side or pic had one stamp over another? Or is that pics of 2 different pieces? If I'm wrong, someone will let us both know and someone will let you know either way as well, if anyone that reads this/looks at your pics and knows.... __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6! Last edited by GlockMeister; 03-02-2008 at 12:44 AM.

03-02-2008, 12:51 AM	#3
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,653 Images: 2	I don't know why someone would want to "Fake" a safety...Jimb2 is the man to ask on this one! Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

03-02-2008, 11:05 PM	#5
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 511	Derf???What marking is the E.I. stamped over? There are several that were once believed to be post WWII that have recently been found to be WWII production for upgrades. Some have markings on both sides as the parts were transfered to another company for use when their supplies got low. It could very well be a real item. __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...

03-02-2008, 11:10 PM	#6
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 5,411	hey jimb2, I think it is the EI stamp is over the same one on the other side. Isn't the stamp on both sides the same and then the EI was put over the one on the one side? If you didn't see his pictures, he has them as an attachment in the M1 carbine forum. Here, maybe this will work. If so, these are his pictures... Hope that helps the guy out to get an answer... __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

03-02-2008, 11:43 PM	#7
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 511	I believe that is made by William Stiemen Co. I may have the spelling wrong. I'm pretty sure they produced upgrade parts during the later stages of WWII. So transfer of some safeties to Eaton Pond (E.I.) woun't be unusual. A number of similar transfers took place. __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...

03-02-2008, 01:09 PM	#4
Derf Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Oregon Posts: 7	Just to clairify, the the two pics are front and back, or both sides of the the same piece. These are relatively inexpensive, and the cost doesn't matter. I'm just trying to keep my guns correct. Thanks for the input. Derf

03-05-2008, 01:21 AM	#8
Derf Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Oregon Posts: 7	Ok jimb2, Now I'm impressed. Is this info in some publication, or did you just dredge it up from deep in your grey matter? Is the E. I. a reference to Inland, Or Eaton Pond. Or was Eaton Pond a subcontractor to Inland? Trivial I know, but fun to know. Thanks for all the replies. I'll see if I can come up with a new M1 brain twister for you all. Cheers. Derf

03-06-2008, 08:20 PM	#9
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 511	Eaton Pond was a subcontractor, but they made parts for several carbine manufacturers. The E.I. indicates that the part was made for Inland rather than one of the other manufacturers. I've been collecting carbines for probably 20 years. This kind of info is sometimes found in books or in carbine club news letters. Sometimes it is word of mouth within the carbine circles. Hard to say exactly what the source was, but trivia like that tends to rattle around in my head like a BB in a boxcar.....every now and then some of it gets out! Gotta learn to shut the door! LOL __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...