Best Elk cartridge - Page 3

sbowers5 · 03-02-2008, 06:40 PM

I take issue with the statement by wirehunt you can shoot an animal through the heart and it will run until it runs out of blood, you shoot it through the lungs and it is out of oxygen immediately and it can not run if it can not get its breath, just like you when you get the breath knocked out of you, you go down immediately, these are facts that are hard to refute, and have been proven time after time thats why the double lung shot is so leathal.Just my opinion.
steve

win39 · 03-02-2008, 06:58 PM

Don't have one but what I have been reading I would say the 325 WSM is the way to go. If you don't like that, then the
300 WM.

rfc357 · 03-02-2008, 07:12 PM

There is no "best" elk cartridge. There are only cartridges that will do the job under given conditions, and cartridges that will not. Under the right circumstances, the .30-30 will do the job. In the hands of the wrong person, the .460 Weatherby is inadequate.

I use a .35 Whelan Ackley. If I had a good .30-06, and nothing else, I would not feel compelled to buy another rifle.

vikingpreacher · 03-02-2008, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by rfc357

There is no "best" elk cartridge. There are only cartridges that will do the job under given conditions, and cartridges that will not. Under the right circumstances, the .30-30 will do the job. In the hands of the wrong person, the .460 Weatherby is inadequate.

There will never be 1 true, but I believe I added a tag "In your opinion.".

Magnumsrule · 03-03-2008, 08:21 PM

If you have actually hunted elk before then you would know that a lung shot will not stop an elk. It will travle long distances and depending upon the cal, bullet type, and shot placement may not bleed on right away. Even if the elk does die it may run far enough that tracking will not work. Elk are big animals and are tuffer than moose. Break bone and they will not move. Simple use a magnum and break bone.

mtm1 · 03-03-2008, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Midas

You seem to prefer just the opposite

Absolutely.

Magnumsrule, amen brother.

Magnumsrule · 03-03-2008, 08:38 PM

Thanks man. Elk are certainly more than overgrown deer. I have many stories about elk being lung shot and they just keep on moving like that previous story.

AKHunter · 03-03-2008, 10:15 PM

Then how does an arrow between the ribs put them down in 20-30 yards ?

Magnumsrule · 03-03-2008, 10:55 PM

IT dosnt, unless you get a heart shot the elk will not drop right there.... Plus you are only 20-30 yards away from the animal and can pick your shot much better. I will not even attempt to try and understand bow hunting since i have never tried. The woulnd channel from an arrow would be larger right away also would it not? This thread is also about the "best cartridge" and a bow is neither a cartridge nor the optimal way to kill an elk.

Ron AKA · 03-03-2008, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AKHunter

Then how does an arrow between the ribs put them down in 20-30 yards ?

Right on. I was near making the same comment.

Ron

mtm1 · 03-04-2008, 08:20 AM

Obviously there's no BEST Elk round. It's your own personal preference. Some guys think little bitty guns work just fine, thats great use them. I think the best Elk rifle for anyone is the biggest gun they can use competently. There's no such thing as overkill, to bash someone for useing too much gun on Elk is just stupid.

wirehunt · 03-08-2008, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by AKHunter

Then how does an arrow between the ribs put them down in 20-30 yards ?

Haven't seen that happen myself, seen them travel a long way after the double lung though, in fact I would say the opposite, lunged they go a long way, bleed their dead.

Air (lungs) is no good without the blood to carry it around.

samuel · 03-08-2008, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Magnumsrule

IT dosnt, unless you get a heart shot the elk will not drop right there.... Plus you are only 20-30 yards away from the animal and can pick your shot much better. I will not even attempt to try and understand bow hunting since i have never tried. The woulnd channel from an arrow would be larger right away also would it not? This thread is also about the "best cartridge" and a bow is neither a cartridge nor the optimal way to kill an elk.

With the proper bullet and a double lung shot,they go nowhere.I saw an antelope travel 300+yds with the heart blown into pieces.I have used a double lung shot on elk (probably 50+) and never lost one.I helped track one that went over 2mi,s with a broken left front leg from someone trying a heart shot.We found it still alive,the next day. sam.

sbowers5 · 03-08-2008, 09:12 AM

Thank you sam, I know also from experience that the double lung is the best of the best and i did not say what i did to start an argument, it is just a fact that animals of the type we hunt here in north America from the smallest to the largest are dispatched most efffectively with a double shot. Just my opinion.
steve

Magnumsrule · 03-09-2008, 06:20 PM

If you break both front legs on an elk it will not run off. Lung shots can not be dependable in my opinion to stop game. As sam said in his post tracking usually ensues.

Ron AKA · 03-09-2008, 06:28 PM

Experience with moose suggests one needs to give them 10-15 minutes after the shot(s), before you chase after them to see what you have done. The last thing you want to do is encourage them to run.

Ron

Magnumsrule · 03-09-2008, 06:31 PM

I agree, all my animals so far have been either sholder shots in wich case they drop, or double lung/rib shots on moose and they only run a short distance.

thebigitch62 · 03-09-2008, 08:06 PM

I am noticing a trend that my beloved .300 RUM is one of the flatist shooting, most energy packing rounds out there. people asking can it take elk, moose grizzlies. yes,yes,and yes. So either there is building interest in the .300 RUM or i'm logged on as 45 different screen names

Magnumsrule · 03-09-2008, 10:45 PM

Id say the 300 rum is a good round for elk but getting over the recoil tolerance for omost people. The 7mm mag and 3oo mag are meanwhile still about what the normal person can shoot.

samuel · 03-10-2008, 07:54 AM

If a gun hurts when you fire it,it hurts.Today tnere are ways to reduce felt recoil and I believe if anyone is really intrested they can make any gun that would normally be used in NA and make it very manageable.There are recoil pads,mechanical devices,personalised stocks,muzzle brakes, and The cost just doesn't justify getting the sh** kicked out of you just because you want a gun that is big enough.Get on the web and decide what you want to manage recoil.It just isnt that costly. sam.

03-02-2008, 06:40 PM	#41
sbowers5 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: sawyer, ok Posts: 536	I take issue with the statement by wirehunt you can shoot an animal through the heart and it will run until it runs out of blood, you shoot it through the lungs and it is out of oxygen immediately and it can not run if it can not get its breath, just like you when you get the breath knocked out of you, you go down immediately, these are facts that are hard to refute, and have been proven time after time thats why the double lung shot is so leathal.Just my opinion. steve __________________ For those who never fought for it, freedom has a taste the protected will never know.

03-02-2008, 06:58 PM	#42
win39 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 201	Don't have one but what I have been reading I would say the 325 WSM is the way to go. If you don't like that, then the 300 WM. __________________ Benny

03-03-2008, 08:21 PM	#45
Magnumsrule Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Northern Alberta, Canada Posts: 591 Blog Entries: 2	If you have actually hunted elk before then you would know that a lung shot will not stop an elk. It will travle long distances and depending upon the cal, bullet type, and shot placement may not bleed on right away. Even if the elk does die it may run far enough that tracking will not work. Elk are big animals and are tuffer than moose. Break bone and they will not move. Simple use a magnum and break bone. __________________ Cartridge Group Like to discuss cartridges? Join HERE!

03-03-2008, 08:38 PM	#47
Magnumsrule Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Northern Alberta, Canada Posts: 591 Blog Entries: 2	Thanks man. Elk are certainly more than overgrown deer. I have many stories about elk being lung shot and they just keep on moving like that previous story. __________________ Cartridge Group Like to discuss cartridges? Join HERE!

03-03-2008, 10:55 PM	#49
Magnumsrule Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Northern Alberta, Canada Posts: 591 Blog Entries: 2	IT dosnt, unless you get a heart shot the elk will not drop right there.... Plus you are only 20-30 yards away from the animal and can pick your shot much better. I will not even attempt to try and understand bow hunting since i have never tried. The woulnd channel from an arrow would be larger right away also would it not? This thread is also about the "best cartridge" and a bow is neither a cartridge nor the optimal way to kill an elk. __________________ Cartridge Group Like to discuss cartridges? Join HERE!

03-02-2008, 07:12 PM	#43
rfc357 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 741	There is no "best" elk cartridge. There are only cartridges that will do the job under given conditions, and cartridges that will not. Under the right circumstances, the .30-30 will do the job. In the hands of the wrong person, the .460 Weatherby is inadequate. I use a .35 Whelan Ackley. If I had a good .30-06, and nothing else, I would not feel compelled to buy another rifle.

03-03-2008, 10:15 PM	#48
AKHunter Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 899	Then how does an arrow between the ribs put them down in 20-30 yards ?

03-04-2008, 08:20 AM	#51
mtm1 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Southern B.C. Posts: 85	Obviously there's no BEST Elk round. It's your own personal preference. Some guys think little bitty guns work just fine, thats great use them. I think the best Elk rifle for anyone is the biggest gun they can use competently. There's no such thing as overkill, to bash someone for useing too much gun on Elk is just stupid.

03-08-2008, 09:12 AM	#54
sbowers5 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: sawyer, ok Posts: 536	Thank you sam, I know also from experience that the double lung is the best of the best and i did not say what i did to start an argument, it is just a fact that animals of the type we hunt here in north America from the smallest to the largest are dispatched most efffectively with a double shot. Just my opinion. steve __________________ For those who never fought for it, freedom has a taste the protected will never know.

03-09-2008, 06:20 PM	#55
Magnumsrule Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Northern Alberta, Canada Posts: 591 Blog Entries: 2	If you break both front legs on an elk it will not run off. Lung shots can not be dependable in my opinion to stop game. As sam said in his post tracking usually ensues. __________________ Cartridge Group Like to discuss cartridges? Join HERE!

03-09-2008, 06:28 PM	#56
Ron AKA Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 704	Experience with moose suggests one needs to give them 10-15 minutes after the shot(s), before you chase after them to see what you have done. The last thing you want to do is encourage them to run. Ron

03-09-2008, 06:31 PM	#57
Magnumsrule Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Northern Alberta, Canada Posts: 591 Blog Entries: 2	I agree, all my animals so far have been either sholder shots in wich case they drop, or double lung/rib shots on moose and they only run a short distance. __________________ Cartridge Group Like to discuss cartridges? Join HERE!

03-09-2008, 08:06 PM	#58
thebigitch62 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Port Orchard Wa Posts: 106	I am noticing a trend that my beloved .300 RUM is one of the flatist shooting, most energy packing rounds out there. people asking can it take elk, moose grizzlies. yes,yes,and yes. So either there is building interest in the .300 RUM or i'm logged on as 45 different screen names

03-09-2008, 10:45 PM	#59
Magnumsrule Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Northern Alberta, Canada Posts: 591 Blog Entries: 2	Id say the 300 rum is a good round for elk but getting over the recoil tolerance for omost people. The 7mm mag and 3oo mag are meanwhile still about what the normal person can shoot. __________________ Cartridge Group Like to discuss cartridges? Join HERE!

03-10-2008, 07:54 AM	#60
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,087	If a gun hurts when you fire it,it hurts.Today tnere are ways to reduce felt recoil and I believe if anyone is really intrested they can make any gun that would normally be used in NA and make it very manageable.There are recoil pads,mechanical devices,personalised stocks,muzzle brakes, and The cost just doesn't justify getting the sh** kicked out of you just because you want a gun that is big enough.Get on the web and decide what you want to manage recoil.It just isnt that costly. sam.