M1 or M2

mikee1 · 03-05-2008, 08:13 PM

Hello there.

Have an Inland Carbine. Barrel is dated 2-44 with serial no. 5,089,XXX. It has a selector lever for semi/full auto and therefore appears to be an M2. However, the stamping on the receiver says US Carbine .30 cal. M1. Wondering if my carbine is a conversion. Is the stamping on the receiver of M2's suppose to indicate M2?. Please shed light.

Thanks a lot.

Orlando · 03-05-2008, 08:28 PM

It could have been a regualr M1 Carbine converted by someoen with the parts to full auto. Unless you are licensed for it do yourself a big favor and immediatly remove the full auto parts and dispose of them immediatlty. Unless you would like to take a vacation for 10 years behind bars

kygunsmith · 03-09-2008, 12:10 AM

I occasionally find M2 parts inside a customer's M1's. Plus a few M2 receivers, with no other M2 parts were released to the public. These receivers must now be destroyed!! M2 parts are replaced and destroyed quickly and the owner notified. I am sure the ATF would frown of my returning the gun to the owner with these parts intact. If I remember right the receivers are identical but for the M2 stamp. The trigger housing had a couple of relieved areas for fullauto parts and it required a different op slide and about 8-10 M2 parts to change the M1 to M2 configurations. Orlando is right! The authorities have a serious attitude about any M2 parts. Get rid of those parts, quick! You might consider removing the selector lever and the extra parts under the receiver. a shorter tr housing pin would allow you to reassemble legally even with the op slide cut and tr housing cuts? Though most would be tempted to sell the M2 parts I wouldn't risk it. Have a friend witness your destruction of the contraband parts.

jimb2 · 03-11-2008, 10:46 PM

I suggest that you rethink your attitude about many M2 parts. The triggerhousings, sears, and slides were used interchangably in the original manufacture of late Winchester and Inland carbines. There is absolutely no problem with those parts being in any M1 carbine. The problems come when ALL of the required parts are present. That constitutes a machinegun whether a carbine is present or not! But just having three or four of those parts in an M1 carbine is of no consequence what so ever. Remember, those were upgrade parts that the military put into the carbines during rebuilds and they are accepted as M1 parts. It is tha complete conversion package that is what gets you in trouble, not a scattering of a few m2 parts.

kygunsmith · 03-13-2008, 09:43 PM

Jimb2, you're certainly right about benign parts like the M2 stock , sear, or mag catch, op slide and other parts found in M1's. But the M2 parts like the selector and disconnect lever, rocker arm, etc. should certainly be removed, if present, as you don't need them for semi and the ATFE might decide your intent was to "build" a machine gun. All it would take is a meanspirited agent out to show his bosses he is gung-ho and deserves a promotion?

lefty o · 03-14-2008, 01:43 AM

if you had an M2 , you would know it. M2's are registered fully automatic firearms.

Orlando · 03-14-2008, 07:50 AM

wrong lefty, even though they are "suppossed" to be registered there are some M2's and M1 conversions floating around out there and the owners dont even know it and are not registered. I have run into unsuspecting owners several times. Even if all automatic parts are removed if the reciever is marked M2 it still needs to be registered

Mooseman684 · 03-14-2008, 10:11 AM

If it is Marked M2, and not registered...It can NOT Be registered until there is either a change in the law or another "Amnesty" Period for Registration...

kygunsmith · 03-14-2008, 04:49 PM

Ame, mooseman, Those who are found in posession of receivers w that little bitty 2 are subject to prosecution. I used to cut them up w a torch! I can't remember if the M1 receiver had a small drilled area for the "autosear" spring or plungerassembly,( and if I remembered I would act like I didn't), and would operate full-auto with all M2 parts or not? But woe to anyone caught w a full set of M2 parts and even an M1 receiver. Like the AR full auto parts: people used to say you could have the parts and the rec but only when put together was it a breach of NFA. Not true anymore. Because I service dozens, perhaps hundreds of M1 carbines and Garands each year I am afraid to monkey around w banned parts. I used to ask clients who brought carbines in for service, "Any M2 parts in there?", "If I find them I must remove then and replace them, etc. I destroy the parts". 'Course I still service M2's that have the tax stamp&liscense.

03-05-2008, 08:13 PM	#1
mikee1 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1	M1 or M2 Hello there. Have an Inland Carbine. Barrel is dated 2-44 with serial no. 5,089,XXX. It has a selector lever for semi/full auto and therefore appears to be an M2. However, the stamping on the receiver says US Carbine .30 cal. M1. Wondering if my carbine is a conversion. Is the stamping on the receiver of M2's suppose to indicate M2?. Please shed light. Thanks a lot.

03-11-2008, 10:46 PM	#4
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 513	I suggest that you rethink your attitude about many M2 parts. The triggerhousings, sears, and slides were used interchangably in the original manufacture of late Winchester and Inland carbines. There is absolutely no problem with those parts being in any M1 carbine. The problems come when ALL of the required parts are present. That constitutes a machinegun whether a carbine is present or not! But just having three or four of those parts in an M1 carbine is of no consequence what so ever. Remember, those were upgrade parts that the military put into the carbines during rebuilds and they are accepted as M1 parts. It is tha complete conversion package that is what gets you in trouble, not a scattering of a few m2 parts. __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...

03-14-2008, 07:50 AM	#7
Orlando Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 541	wrong lefty, even though they are "suppossed" to be registered there are some M2's and M1 conversions floating around out there and the owners dont even know it and are not registered. I have run into unsuspecting owners several times. Even if all automatic parts are removed if the reciever is marked M2 it still needs to be registered Last edited by Orlando; 03-14-2008 at 10:46 AM.

03-14-2008, 10:11 AM	#8
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,668 Images: 2	If it is Marked M2, and not registered...It can NOT Be registered until there is either a change in the law or another "Amnesty" Period for Registration... __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

03-05-2008, 08:28 PM	#2
Orlando Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 541	It could have been a regualr M1 Carbine converted by someoen with the parts to full auto. Unless you are licensed for it do yourself a big favor and immediatly remove the full auto parts and dispose of them immediatlty. Unless you would like to take a vacation for 10 years behind bars

03-09-2008, 12:10 AM	#3
kygunsmith Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 144	I occasionally find M2 parts inside a customer's M1's. Plus a few M2 receivers, with no other M2 parts were released to the public. These receivers must now be destroyed!! M2 parts are replaced and destroyed quickly and the owner notified. I am sure the ATF would frown of my returning the gun to the owner with these parts intact. If I remember right the receivers are identical but for the M2 stamp. The trigger housing had a couple of relieved areas for fullauto parts and it required a different op slide and about 8-10 M2 parts to change the M1 to M2 configurations. Orlando is right! The authorities have a serious attitude about any M2 parts. Get rid of those parts, quick! You might consider removing the selector lever and the extra parts under the receiver. a shorter tr housing pin would allow you to reassemble legally even with the op slide cut and tr housing cuts? Though most would be tempted to sell the M2 parts I wouldn't risk it. Have a friend witness your destruction of the contraband parts.

03-13-2008, 09:43 PM	#5
kygunsmith Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 144	Jimb2, you're certainly right about benign parts like the M2 stock , sear, or mag catch, op slide and other parts found in M1's. But the M2 parts like the selector and disconnect lever, rocker arm, etc. should certainly be removed, if present, as you don't need them for semi and the ATFE might decide your intent was to "build" a machine gun. All it would take is a meanspirited agent out to show his bosses he is gung-ho and deserves a promotion?

03-14-2008, 01:43 AM	#6
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,797	if you had an M2 , you would know it. M2's are registered fully automatic firearms.

03-14-2008, 04:49 PM	#9
kygunsmith Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 144	Ame, mooseman, Those who are found in posession of receivers w that little bitty 2 are subject to prosecution. I used to cut them up w a torch! I can't remember if the M1 receiver had a small drilled area for the "autosear" spring or plungerassembly,( and if I remembered I would act like I didn't), and would operate full-auto with all M2 parts or not? But woe to anyone caught w a full set of M2 parts and even an M1 receiver. Like the AR full auto parts: people used to say you could have the parts and the rec but only when put together was it a breach of NFA. Not true anymore. Because I service dozens, perhaps hundreds of M1 carbines and Garands each year I am afraid to monkey around w banned parts. I used to ask clients who brought carbines in for service, "Any M2 parts in there?", "If I find them I must remove then and replace them, etc. I destroy the parts". 'Course I still service M2's that have the tax stamp&liscense.